Why isn't ESO Plus a month instead of 30 days?

Tasear · December 2016

Why isn't ESO Plus a month instead of 30 days? To my knowledge months are either 30 or 31 days? Is there not true for everywhere? Is it wrong for me to want to pay for something they same time each month instead progressively one day earlier? We can do so for netflix, hulu plus, xbox live and god knows what else. So here I am asking why isn't it they same. Maybe my question seems petty or cheap, but seems kinda scam like from a company I love so much.

~but I am just saying maybe this why WOW MMO 2016?

WoW Subscription Plan

leepalmer95 · December 2016

There is also months with 28 days and such :P

Rosveen · December 2016

The page you linked tells me absolutely nothing about the day of the month when WoW charges for subscription, but thanks for the advert, I guess.

WhiteMage · December 2016

It doesn't really make that much of a difference, but it would make it easier for billing because there is no abiguity in it. Imagine if subscriptions ran to the exact same day one month ahead. Some months youd get 30 days, some months you'd get 31. February rolls around and you get 28. The potential headache lies in if you subscribe on the 29th, 30th, or 31st. What do you do, from the billers point of view, if the next month doesn't have that day?

If you give someone 30 days that ambiguity goes away entirely, and it is still a good approximation for a month. In an entire year you'll lose only about 5 days at $0.50 day for a total of $2.50 with the ESO monthly subscription, less for 3 or 6 month plans. I'd venture a guess that many other companies define a month to be 30 days as well and just call it that for convenience.

Valethar · December 2016

Standard practice for subscriptions.

It would be nice if it renewed on a specific date, every month, but that would require someone to expend effort on a revenue negative activity (meaning spending money and resources on something that they can't charge for) which means it'll never happen.

Nerouyn · December 2016

Valethar wrote: »

Standard practice for subscriptions.

Not in my experience, no. Every monthly subscription I've ever had - for games and otherwise - has used calendar day of the month.

Though I don't have any problem with a 30 day scheme.

Valethar · December 2016

Nerouyn wrote: »

Valethar wrote: »

Standard practice for subscriptions.

Not in my experience, no. Every monthly subscription I've ever had - for games and otherwise - has used calendar day of the month.

Though I don't have any problem with a 30 day scheme.

Interestingly enough, mine has been the opposite, for the most part. I've always disliked the date creep inherent in the 30 day model, but it's never really been a huge issue.

Tandor · December 2016

It's always been 30 days in any game I've ever played, along with discounts for 60, 90 and 180 days in many cases.

I can just imagine the flood of support tickets submitted by players feeling short-changed in February if they paid by the calendar month - and yes, despite all the denials that will be forthcoming, we all know it would happen

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Ghost-Shot · December 2016

The WoW sub is 30 days as well, this is coming from someone who has an active World of Warcraft sub.

lillybit · December 2016

Is this on PC? Sure it's a month on ps4

RDMyers65b14_ESO · December 2016

I really wish it was on a set day as I have had to cancel my subscription when it has came twice in the same calendar month... when you are on a fixed income that comes in on a specific date, you have a fluctuating date without bouncing the checks.

Prof_Bawbag · December 2016

lillybit wrote: »

Is this on PC? Sure it's a month on ps4

Believe it or not, it doesn't even mention if that month is 30 days or a calendar month in the description. When i see the word month, I assume it's a calendar month, but after reading this, I have no idea as I've never kept proper tabs on it.

This is the PSN description:

ESO Plus is our premium membership service. Sign up now to receive in-game benefits that let you get the most out of your journeys in Tamriel. Members receive increased experience, faster crafting progression, and bonus gold along with access to all available DLC Game Packs and a monthly allotment of 1500 Crowns (total membership amount of crowns given at time of purchase) to spend in the in-game store on pets, mounts, costumes, and much more. ESO Plus is the best way to see everything ESO has to offer! Please note that access to DLC Game Packs granted by ESO Plus is only available while your membership remains active.

Network Players 2-99 - Full game requires PlayStation®Plus membership to access online multiplayer
DUALSHOCK®4 Vibration Function
Remote Play Supported
HD Video Output 720p,1080i,1080p

Download of this product is subject to the PlayStation Network Terms of Service and our Software Usage Terms plus any specific additional conditions applying to this product. If you do not wish to accept these terms, do not download this product. See Terms of Service for more important information.
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Elsonso · December 2016

I would be surprised if "Month" was other than "30 days" on any ESO platform.

idk · December 2016

@Tasear

So you want to pay a full month for only 28 days?

In the end the average days to a month are 30.4 so the difference is minimal.

Additionally, it seems to be the norm. Unsure about your comment about WoW since that MMO is a dinosaur that is probably popular because it can be played on a potato..

If you were truly comparing ESO to WoW, guess the next suggestion is put ESO on an ancient engine with cartoon graphics so more can play it.

Mettaricana · December 2016

Why did they remove option to buy 1 more month now I canted get 1500 crowns and another month togwther any time I need a few crowns they made it so I can be subbed but no option to extend til it expires... atleast how ot is on ps4

lillybit · December 2016

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

lillybit wrote: »

Is this on PC? Sure it's a month on ps4

Believe it or not, it doesn't even mention if that month is 30 days or a calendar month in the description. When i see the word month, I assume it's a calendar month, but after reading this, I have no idea as I've never kept proper tabs on it.

This is the PSN description:

ESO Plus is our premium membership service. Sign up now to receive in-game benefits that let you get the most out of your journeys in Tamriel. Members receive increased experience, faster crafting progression, and bonus gold along with access to all available DLC Game Packs and a monthly allotment of 1500 Crowns (total membership amount of crowns given at time of purchase) to spend in the in-game store on pets, mounts, costumes, and much more. ESO Plus is the best way to see everything ESO has to offer! Please note that access to DLC Game Packs granted by ESO Plus is only available while your membership remains active.

Network Players 2-99 - Full game requires PlayStation®Plus membership to access online multiplayer
DUALSHOCK®4 Vibration Function
Remote Play Supported
HD Video Output 720p,1080i,1080p

Download of this product is subject to the PlayStation Network Terms of Service and our Software Usage Terms plus any specific additional conditions applying to this product. If you do not wish to accept these terms, do not download this product. See Terms of Service for more important information.
One-time licence fee to download to multiple PS4 systems. Sign in to PlayStation Network is not required to use this on your primary PS4, but is required for use on other PS4 systems.
See Health Warnings for important health information before using this product.
Library programs ©Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. exclusively licensed to Sony Computer Entertainment Europe. Software Usage Terms apply, See eu.playstation.com/legal for full usage rights.

© 2015 ZeniMax Media Inc. The Elder Scrolls® Online: Tamriel Unlimited™ developed by ZeniMax Online Studios LLC, a ZeniMax Media company. ZeniMax, The Elder Scrolls, ESO, ESO Plus, Tamriel Unlimited, Bethesda, Bethesda Softworks and related logos are registered trademarks or trademarks of ZeniMax Media Inc. in the US and/or other countries. All Rights Reserved.

You're right it doesn't say but I'm positive my payment comes out on the same day each month and I definitely always get my crown allowance on the 2nd.

As an extra, does it annoy anyone else that 3 months costs more than 1? For UK at least it's £9.99 for 1 month or £29.99 for 3. Only 2p in it to be fair butility surely it should be a better deal, not worse!

Prof_Bawbag · December 2016

@lillybit That's why I only pay per month rather than opt for the 3 months option or buy 3 one month subs in one go. Whilst 2p is, well, only 2p it's silly it's still the more expensive option.

SickDuck · December 2016

I really envy the problems some people have.

SickDuck · December 2016

lillybit wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

lillybit wrote: »

Is this on PC? Sure it's a month on ps4

Believe it or not, it doesn't even mention if that month is 30 days or a calendar month in the description. When i see the word month, I assume it's a calendar month, but after reading this, I have no idea as I've never kept proper tabs on it.

This is the PSN description:

ESO Plus is our premium membership service. Sign up now to receive in-game benefits that let you get the most out of your journeys in Tamriel. Members receive increased experience, faster crafting progression, and bonus gold along with access to all available DLC Game Packs and a monthly allotment of 1500 Crowns (total membership amount of crowns given at time of purchase) to spend in the in-game store on pets, mounts, costumes, and much more. ESO Plus is the best way to see everything ESO has to offer! Please note that access to DLC Game Packs granted by ESO Plus is only available while your membership remains active.

Network Players 2-99 - Full game requires PlayStation®Plus membership to access online multiplayer
DUALSHOCK®4 Vibration Function
Remote Play Supported
HD Video Output 720p,1080i,1080p

Download of this product is subject to the PlayStation Network Terms of Service and our Software Usage Terms plus any specific additional conditions applying to this product. If you do not wish to accept these terms, do not download this product. See Terms of Service for more important information.
One-time licence fee to download to multiple PS4 systems. Sign in to PlayStation Network is not required to use this on your primary PS4, but is required for use on other PS4 systems.
See Health Warnings for important health information before using this product.
Library programs ©Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. exclusively licensed to Sony Computer Entertainment Europe. Software Usage Terms apply, See eu.playstation.com/legal for full usage rights.

© 2015 ZeniMax Media Inc. The Elder Scrolls® Online: Tamriel Unlimited™ developed by ZeniMax Online Studios LLC, a ZeniMax Media company. ZeniMax, The Elder Scrolls, ESO, ESO Plus, Tamriel Unlimited, Bethesda, Bethesda Softworks and related logos are registered trademarks or trademarks of ZeniMax Media Inc. in the US and/or other countries. All Rights Reserved.

You're right it doesn't say but I'm positive my payment comes out on the same day each month and I definitely always get my crown allowance on the 2nd.

As an extra, does it annoy anyone else that 3 months costs more than 1? For UK at least it's £9.99 for 1 month or £29.99 for 3. Only 2p in it to be fair butility surely it should be a better deal, not worse!

On PC the 180 days option costs much less than 60 quids.

Prof_Bawbag · December 2016

SickDuck wrote: »

I really envy the problems some people have.

Yes, because everyone knows that people couldn't possibly discuss trivial *** relating to a game or something equally inane whilst having serious issues/problems elsewhere in their life. What are you wanting to hear that I lost both my parents and a brother in a serious car accident when i was young or that my nephew is currently fighting leukaemia, but here we are discussing whether or not 2p is worth the extra hassle or an extra day is worth the hassle?

lillybit · December 2016

SickDuck wrote: »

I really envy the problems some people have.

Lol yeah first world problems for sure!

Seriously though, annoy was probably too strong a word. Just find the decision process here a bit bizarre; it's to their benefit to get people to sub for longer periods but then don't give any incentive

stewhead2ub17_ESO · December 2016

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

SickDuck wrote: »

I really envy the problems some people have.

Yes, because everyone knows that people couldn't possibly discuss trivial *** relating to a game or something equally inane whilst having serious issues/problems elsewhere in their life. What are you wanting to hear that I lost both my parents and a brother in a serious car accident when i was young or that my nephew is currently fighting leukaemia, but here we are discussing whether or not 2p is worth the extra hassle or an extra day is worth the hassle?

And this is why we can't have nice things.

lillybit · December 2016

SickDuck wrote: »

lillybit wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

lillybit wrote: »

Is this on PC? Sure it's a month on ps4

Believe it or not, it doesn't even mention if that month is 30 days or a calendar month in the description. When i see the word month, I assume it's a calendar month, but after reading this, I have no idea as I've never kept proper tabs on it.

This is the PSN description:

ESO Plus is our premium membership service. Sign up now to receive in-game benefits that let you get the most out of your journeys in Tamriel. Members receive increased experience, faster crafting progression, and bonus gold along with access to all available DLC Game Packs and a monthly allotment of 1500 Crowns (total membership amount of crowns given at time of purchase) to spend in the in-game store on pets, mounts, costumes, and much more. ESO Plus is the best way to see everything ESO has to offer! Please note that access to DLC Game Packs granted by ESO Plus is only available while your membership remains active.

Network Players 2-99 - Full game requires PlayStation®Plus membership to access online multiplayer
DUALSHOCK®4 Vibration Function
Remote Play Supported
HD Video Output 720p,1080i,1080p

Download of this product is subject to the PlayStation Network Terms of Service and our Software Usage Terms plus any specific additional conditions applying to this product. If you do not wish to accept these terms, do not download this product. See Terms of Service for more important information.
One-time licence fee to download to multiple PS4 systems. Sign in to PlayStation Network is not required to use this on your primary PS4, but is required for use on other PS4 systems.
See Health Warnings for important health information before using this product.
Library programs ©Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. exclusively licensed to Sony Computer Entertainment Europe. Software Usage Terms apply, See eu.playstation.com/legal for full usage rights.

© 2015 ZeniMax Media Inc. The Elder Scrolls® Online: Tamriel Unlimited™ developed by ZeniMax Online Studios LLC, a ZeniMax Media company. ZeniMax, The Elder Scrolls, ESO, ESO Plus, Tamriel Unlimited, Bethesda, Bethesda Softworks and related logos are registered trademarks or trademarks of ZeniMax Media Inc. in the US and/or other countries. All Rights Reserved.

You're right it doesn't say but I'm positive my payment comes out on the same day each month and I definitely always get my crown allowance on the 2nd.

As an extra, does it annoy anyone else that 3 months costs more than 1? For UK at least it's £9.99 for 1 month or £29.99 for 3. Only 2p in it to be fair butility surely it should be a better deal, not worse!

On PC the 180 days option costs much less than 60 quids.

I think PS4 6 months is £53.99 so about £1 a month saving. That option actually makes some sense!

outsideworld76 · December 2016

Mmm... a very good question indeed. An average year last 365.25 days, divided by 12 months results in an average duration of 30.44 days. Zenimax cuts us short for 5 days, including all the downtime brings this up to at least a whole month. Ok, that might be a little exaggerated but I think we have a case for compensation. How about a few of those crown crates Zenimax? I always wondered what was inside them.

Cambruin · July 2019

Actually, I noticed this as well, and only after I had subscribed. This is false advertising. You advertise it as one month, so I expect to be able to play untill the 26th of July, not the 24th.

This shows bad morals. But then again, for the first time in months I logged in and I now see you sell Skyshards in the Store... so what morals? Right?

Tandor · July 2019

If they charged monthly either it would have to be a variable charge which is more trouble than it's worth, or the players who stress out over the difference between a month and 30 days would be stressing out over being charged the same for February that they're charged for July.

It's clearly stated to be for 30 days or multiples of 30 days on the website. The only reference to months is in the price when it says e.g. £8.99/month rather than £8.99/30 days, but it isn't remotely false or confusing given the size of the lettering and the further indication that it auto-renews every 30 days.

rfennell_ESO · July 2019

Tasear wrote: »

Why isn't ESO Plus a month instead of 30 days? To my knowledge months are either 30 or 31 days? Is there not true for everywhere? Is it wrong for me to want to pay for something they same time each month instead progressively one day earlier? We can do so for netflix, hulu plus, xbox live and god knows what else. So here I am asking why isn't it they same. Maybe my question seems petty or cheap, but seems kinda scam like from a company I love so much.

~but I am just saying maybe this why WOW MMO 2016?

WoW Subscription Plan

It's only off by 5 1/4 days for a year. So if you just pay the monthly rate it's $2.62 extra.

Though if you buy the "365" day sub you only get cheated out of a day every 4 years. I wonder if on leap years they will rename it to 366 day sub.

SteveCampsOut · July 2019

outsideworld76 wrote: »

Mmm... a very good question indeed. An average year last 365.25 days, divided by 12 months results in an average duration of 30.44 days. Zenimax cuts us short for 5 days, including all the downtime brings this up to at least a whole month. Ok, that might be a little exaggerated but I think we have a case for compensation. How about a few of those crown crates Zenimax? I always wondered what was inside them.

First off, Paying by the days means you're not "Cut Off" from any days except those caused by down times. You're not paying for a year's subscription when you pay for 360 days. You're paying for 360 days. Period. Where's your loss? Now if you wanna quibble about time lost due to down time, that's a different kettle of fish. But you're not being cut off from any days paying with the current model.

Chicharron · July 2019

Tasear wrote: »

Why isn't ESO Plus a month instead of 30 days?

Now i will not be able to sleep, thank you.

essi2 · July 2019

30 days is easier than having to account for 31 day and 28 day months and leap years.

JimmyJuJu · July 2019

Because every 6 years ZOS gets an extra payment. I mean, this could be why.