IMO one major point to why heavy armor is strong

olsborg · December 2016

They can still use shuffle. Give armor skills requirement to wear 5pieces of that armor type.

Doctordarkspawn · December 2016

I'd be absolutely fine with this.

Alucardo · December 2016

Don't know why this isn't a thing already

Enslaved · December 2016

The only thing I would change about shuffle is the duration based on medium armor pieces equiped. Completely removing abillity for HA users to use shuffle whould kill Tava set in PvE, and Tava is one of best sets PvE tanks can equip. If you add -2 sec penalty to each piece of armor that is not medium, that would cut 14 sec in duration for 7HA users, for example.

Doctordarkspawn · December 2016

Enslaved wrote: »

The only thing I would change about shuffle is the duration based on medium armor pieces equiped. Completely removing abillity for HA users to use shuffle whould kill Tava set in PvE, and Tava is one of best sets PvE tanks can equip. If you add -2 sec penalty to each piece of armor that is not medium, that would cut 14 sec in duration for 7HA users, for example.

TBH, that's not exactly a bad thing. Tava's and bloodspawn is *** broken as of current, the fact that a tank can keep 100% uptime on warhorn unassisted is bonkers.

IronCrystal · December 2016

I wouldn't want to see shuffle restricted to only medium armor users. It would tear a huge hole in end game pve trials tanking. Tanks would not buff their team nearly as much with Tava's.

olsborg · December 2016

IronCrystal wrote: »

I wouldn't want to see shuffle restricted to only medium armor users. It would tear a huge hole in end game pve trials tanking. Tanks would not buff their team nearly as much with Tava's.

Medium armor is in a *** state atm, light armor aint far ahead either, heavy armor on the other hand has it all. This would be one way to differentiate abit more between them, instead of just going heavy armor and getting the full package, its hardly a choice as it is now, you go heavy if you want to compete in pvp.

Wollust · December 2016

Agree. Shuffle on heavy armor stam builds is too strong.

DannyLV702 · December 2016

olsborg wrote: »

They can still use shuffle. Give armor skills requirement to wear 5pieces of that armor type.

Wow that is a great idea honestly. This, along with removing the weapon damage passive from SnB would be a great start.

raasdal · December 2016

NO. I like the idea for Shuffle. But again, it would also limit our build-options yet again. Making the game even more streamlined and boring. If in doubt, go with the option that gives most freedom and provides more options for making diverse builds.

I for example have a Heavy Armor MagNB using Dampen Magic. That would then not be possible, because i would need to wear 5 light?

It sounds good right now, but really it is just because people feel that Shuffle is OP. Then nerf shuffle. Do not limit our options.

Basically summed up here. The problem is not "Armor Skill without wearing that Armor". Problem is Shuffle only.;

Wollust wrote: »

Agree. Shuffle on heavy armor stam builds is too strong.

Didaco · December 2016

Make Battle Spirit halve (or even more) its effect. Done.

Johnfred24 · December 2016

raasdal wrote: »

NO. I like the idea for Shuffle. But again, it would also limit our build-options yet again. Making the game even more streamlined and boring. If in doubt, go with the option that gives most freedom and provides more options for making diverse builds.

I for example have a Heavy Armor MagNB using Dampen Magic. That would then not be possible, because i would need to wear 5 light?

It sounds good right now, but really it is just because people feel that Shuffle is OP. Then nerf shuffle. Do not limit our options.

Basically summed up here. The problem is not "Armor Skill without wearing that Armor". Problem is Shuffle only.;

Wollust wrote: »

Agree. Shuffle on heavy armor stam builds is too strong.

The problem is not Shuffle only. Medium armor builds need Shuffle for survivability. If Shuffle gets nerfed than there will even be less medium armor players running around in Cyro. Also I don't think it would limit our build-options that much, as of now there aren't many reasons to go with medium armor, that's why most builds wear heavy. If Shuffle was only accessible for medium armor builds, than there would be a higher number of different build.