elegant set nerf

bigmanebiggu · December 2016

The other day I was dealing 33k overload damage and now I am only dealing 25k

Lukums1 · December 2016

If the tooltip still states 20% no nerf is around that I see

I'm still hitting for 55k overloads so should be fine.

bigmanebiggu · December 2016

can you plz show me a full showcase of your setup, I really need some advice.

This would be so gratefully appreciated, thanks

Lukums1 · December 2016

Ok fairly straight forward.

I run 3 setups.

Spinner 5 piece / 2 piece molag kena / 5 piece elegant - Those 55k overloads - Maelstrom Flame Sharpen staff.

Julianos / valk skoria / 5 piece elegant - 46-49k overloads - same staff

TBS / Valk Skoria / spinner - 42-48k overloads same staff

All and all, running julianos, valk skoria and elegant - seems to give the most out of dps as a general overview.

I did run 5 piece scathing/burning spell weave but in VMA... it's much much easier staying on overload bar with power surge / liquid lightning / harden ward / bound agies / inner light and blowing everything up.

What exact advice are you after?

Luke

bigmanebiggu · December 2016

I use 5tbs 5elegant 2kena and get 25k so how the hell are you pushing out nearly 50k. Seems bizarre

bigmanebiggu · December 2016

Can you plz screenshot your spinners, elegant and kena on your character with pics of the stats, buffs and the actual 50k hits, I feel like an idiot with a measly 25k

Reorx_Holybeard · December 2016

Not the OP but I guessing it works something like this (see the theory build here).

With Molag + Major Sorcery + Weapon Damage Enchantment your Spell Damage is at 4400
With Thief and Major Prophecy Spell Crit is at 58%
With Minor Force Spell Crit Damage is at 77% (depends on exact CP distribution).
Power Overload Tooltip is at 24k so hits for around 30k (24 + 6% + 20%)
Overload Crits for 53k (30k * 1.77).

Of course this is all theory and in a "best case" scenario. If you remove Minor Force and the Weapon Damage enchantment (unsure if that gets triggered in Overload) then you're at 29k hits and 48k crits.

Toast_STS · December 2016

bigmanebiggu wrote: »

I use 5tbs 5elegant 2kena and get 25k so how the hell are you pushing out nearly 50k. Seems bizarre

Did you lose a mundus buff perhaps?

Gothren · December 2016

relocate your cp points to boost overloads. thats why you are not pulling those number. also use shadow mundus stone

darthsithis · December 2016

Mine still crit for 53...

Maybe you respecced and forgot some passives?

Idk man I love it

WillhelmBlack · December 2016

The thing that bothers me most about this set is how ugly it now is. I actually switched my build solely because of this.

NiclasFridholm · December 2016

@WillhelmBlack Did exactly the same, cant run around looking like that!

WillhelmBlack · December 2016

NiclasFridholm wrote: »

@WillhelmBlack Did exactly the same, cant run around looking like that!

Like a God damn tramp in a potato sack!

Eweroun · December 2016

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

NiclasFridholm wrote: »

@WillhelmBlack Did exactly the same, cant run around looking like that!

Like a God damn tramp in a potato sack!

that's why costumes were invented...

Juhasow · December 2016

bigmanebiggu wrote: »

Can you plz screenshot your spinners, elegant and kena on your character with pics of the stats, buffs and the actual 50k hits, I feel like an idiot with a measly 25k

Welcome to the world of group support. Horn+Infaible aether+combat prayer+spell power cure+lot of other possible buffs allows to even reach 60k overloads.

NordSwordnBoard · December 2016

Eweroun wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

NiclasFridholm wrote: »

@WillhelmBlack Did exactly the same, cant run around looking like that!

Like a God damn tramp in a potato sack!

that's why costumes were invented...

...and why they call it "elegance", of course it will be heinous to behold.

bigmanebiggu · December 2016

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bigmanebiggu · December 2016

Getting really irritated because I cannot see anyway to increase the damage.

Schore159 · December 2016

first thing i c is your magicka is very low u should have 40k+++
switch the stam armor glyphs to magicka (kena helm)
u dont have sharpend weapons
u dont have highest spell dmg glyphs on your jewelry ,well i dont even think u use spell dmg glyphs on all jewelry because u have almost 1400 magicka reg

check if u have all important skills and passives

Reorx_Holybeard · December 2016

bigmanebiggu wrote: »

Getting really irritated because I cannot see anyway to increase the damage.

Its important to know that in ESO your skill tooltip damage/healing values are controlled by several stats:

Spell Damage (or Weapon Damage for Stamina abilities)
Magicka (or Stamina)
CPs
Passives
Buffs

So from your few screenshots I can see a number of ways we can increase the first two:

Make sure all armor enchantments are Magicka.
Use Gold (Kuta) level enchantments if you can, especially on the jewelry.
Make sure you are using blue Health + Magicka CP150 food.
Make sure you have purchased all racial passives and important class, Mages Guild and weapon passives.
Use Sharpened weapons. These won't increase the tooltip but will increase your actual damage done by a good amount.
Use Gold quality weapons. These give you another +200 Spell Damage.
Use Gold quality armor if you can afford it. Do this last as Gold weapons and enchantments will give you the most improvement.
Get more CPs. This will increase your damage from CPs you buy as well as give you more Health/Magicka/Stamina (each CP gives you a small % bonus).
Get the Undaunted Mettle passive and make sure you are wearing 5L/1M/1H armor.

Beyond that you'd have to look at specific CP distribution to make sure it was optimal, or at least near optimal. I'm guessing you have to be missing a few passives that increase +Magicka% as your magicka is really low for a High Elf. Spell Damage is not bad but getting gold weapons and jewelry enchants should push you well past 3k buffed.

PS: May I suggest using a different image hosting platform like Imgur.com? The one you used crashed 3 browsers for me (Chrome, FF, Edge).

Oreyn_Bearclaw · December 2016

1. Your max magic is 15k short. Overload scales off max magic (among other things). You also need both inner light and bound Aegis on your overload bar if you want it to actually be effective. Only place I run overload is VMA, and my magic sits at 46K.

2.Your armor is purple. Not a deal breaker, but gold is better. This is probably your lowest priority.

3. Your glyphs are purple. Pro tip: You can put a gold glyph on purple armor and the glyph will get the full buff. It's the poor mans way of upgrading your gear.

4. At least some of your jewelry must have magic magic regen or you are running regen food. Only way you have regen that high, and both are big No Nos. What do you need all that regen for? Overload doesnt even use magic. In PVE, the only thing into regen should be Champion Points.

5. Undaunted? I cant tell, but to get stats like we are talking about, you need 5/1/1 with undaunted passives maxed.

6. Your Weapons are purple (this one is big). Gold armor is not gamechanging, but gold weapons absolutely are. You need to gold these bad boys ASAP, especially your dual wield bar. This is your second priority.

7. And your biggest problem. It's SHARP or nothing. Precise is complete and total garbage. There is a reason Sharp elegant pieces cost so much. You need to get your hands on one if you want your overload build to shine. It only takes one if you build correctly. Use elegant jewelry, one armor piece, and one Sharp DW weapon on back bar. Then you can run 4 TBS armor pieces and a SHARP TBS destro staff on front bar and a SHARP TBS DW weapon on back bar. Then you have 5 TBS, 4 Elegant, and 2 Monster on your front bar and 5 TBS, 5 Elegant, and 2 monster on your back. This is far and away priority number one. Say it with me: all weapon traits that are not SHARP are complete trash and have no place in an endgame damage build.

Edit: Also, you are running Thief and Shadow with TBS? If not, that is also a huge problem but an easy fix.

bigmanebiggu · December 2016

Schore159 wrote: »

first thing i c is your magicka is very low u should have 40k+++
switch the stam armor glyphs to magicka (kena helm)
u dont have sharpend weapons
u dont have highest spell dmg glyphs on your jewelry ,well i dont even think u use spell dmg glyphs on all jewelry because u have almost 1400 magicka reg

check if u have all important skills and passives

I do have 160 spell dam on all jewellery pieces

bigmanebiggu · December 2016

How the hell do you even get 40k magicka? even with the magicka enchantment I would probs only get 35k as I run food that gives me 5k hp and 400 spell regen

bigmanebiggu · December 2016

Reorx_Holybeard wrote: »

bigmanebiggu wrote: »

Getting really irritated because I cannot see anyway to increase the damage.

Its important to know that in ESO your skill tooltip damage/healing values are controlled by several stats:
Spell Damage (or Weapon Damage for Stamina abilities)

Magicka (or Stamina)

CPs

Passives

Buffs

So from your few screenshots I can see a number of ways we can increase the first two:
Make sure all armor enchantments are Magicka.

Use Gold (Kuta) level enchantments if you can, especially on the jewelry.

Make sure you are using blue Health + Magicka CP150 food.

Make sure you have purchased all racial passives and important class, Mages Guild and weapon passives.

Use Sharpened weapons. These won't increase the tooltip but will increase your actual damage done by a good amount.

Use Gold quality weapons. These give you another +200 Spell Damage.

Use Gold quality armor if you can afford it. Do this last as Gold weapons and enchantments will give you the most improvement.

Get more CPs. This will increase your damage from CPs you buy as well as give you more Health/Magicka/Stamina (each CP gives you a small % bonus).

Get the Undaunted Mettle passive and make sure you are wearing 5L/1M/1H armor.

Beyond that you'd have to look at specific CP distribution to make sure it was optimal, or at least near optimal. I'm guessing you have to be missing a few passives that increase +Magicka% as your magicka is really low for a High Elf. Spell Damage is not bad but getting gold weapons and jewelry enchants should push you well past 3k buffed.

PS: May I suggest using a different image hosting platform like Imgur.com? The one you used crashed 3 browsers for me (Chrome, FF, Edge).

What should I allocate my cp into plz show me yours thanks

NordSwordnBoard · December 2016

@bigmanebiggu your CP should revolve around your build/gear and how you like to play. Some skills and rotations are more conducive to certain builds and playstyles. Get comfortable with your build, then allocate CP to boost whats needed. Other peoples distributions may not work for your build.

Dreyloch · December 2016

bigmanebiggu wrote: »

Schore159 wrote: »

first thing i c is your magicka is very low u should have 40k+++
switch the stam armor glyphs to magicka (kena helm)
u dont have sharpend weapons
u dont have highest spell dmg glyphs on your jewelry ,well i dont even think u use spell dmg glyphs on all jewelry because u have almost 1400 magicka reg

check if u have all important skills and passives

I do have 160 spell dam on all jewellery pieces

Jewelry can go up to 174 spell damage each.. if you use Kuta's when making the glyph's for them. Regardless if the jewerly is blue, purple or gold itself. Kinda like if you use infused pieces for your head/chest/legs. Your going to get more out of the glyph you put on them. But since this is a PvE discussion, the others here might say go all divines, I didn't look at the pics. They are also correct about weapons. Sharpend or gtfo.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · December 2016

For CP, what really matters is the blue tree. I run 100 into ele, 1 into staff expert, 46 in Elborn, and 20 each into Spell Erosion and Thuamaturge. These seems to be a good setup for both VMA and trials which is where I use my mSorc the most. You can certainly pull 40k on trial bosses (non-overload), and my overload (only use in VMA) hits plenty hard. If trying to absolutely max overload, Thaumaturge and Staff Expert doesnt really do anything, but you can't be on your overload bar all the time. Even while overloading, you want to be keeping up Liquid Lightening, so Thaumaturge is important.

There is a growing trend among magic users to move points out of spell erosion in trials. Bosses have 18k resistance, and a magic-based light armor user (5K pen) with sharp weapons (5k pen) and major breach up (5k pen) will be at a little over 15k spell penetration (those numbers are rounded). Throw in a crusher glyph and alkosh buff from the tank, and you should be at the resist cap most of the time. If you are at the resist cap, then every point into Spell Erosion is a waste. If solo, you are going to want a few points here. This also illustrates why Sharp weapons are SOOOOOO important. Without that 5k penetration buff, it is near impossible to get to the resist cap on a magic user, unless you are wearing a set like spinners. Problem is you sacrifice too much else to make that viable in a group, so nobody runs it in a raid.

Also, if you are running all spell damage glyphs, how is your recovery so high? It has to be either food or Mundus. If its mundus, you need to make the change. TBS only works for DPS if you go Thief + Shadow. This is also why TBS is still a very popular set in trials. Shadow is multiplicative with Major Force (crit damage buff from warhorn), so if your raid has good warhorn uptime, this set is hard to beat. Not too mention, the extra health and stam is great on hardmodes or VMA.

Detector · December 2016

bigmanebiggu wrote: »

The other day I was dealing 33k overload damage and now I am only dealing 25k

Yes. Nerf overload please. XD

WillhelmBlack · December 2016

bigmanebiggu wrote: »

How the hell do you even get 40k magicka? even with the magicka enchantment I would probs only get 35k as I run food that gives me 5k hp and 400 spell regen

You want to max Magicka, yet you are using recovery food...

bigmanebiggu · December 2016

Just got back from work, can anyone commend their favourite set for pure dps, I have tried burning spellweave, twice born star and julianos and I found that TBS outperformed by far.

Anyone else confirm this or maybe think of another set of gear to run instead of TBS

I have also heard that running necropotence is insane because of the max magicka you can achieve.

Reorx_Holybeard · December 2016

bigmanebiggu wrote: »

Just got back from work, can anyone commend their favourite set for pure dps, I have tried burning spellweave, twice born star and julianos and I found that TBS outperformed by far.

Anyone else confirm this or maybe think of another set of gear to run instead of TBS

I have also heard that running necropotence is insane because of the max magicka you can achieve.

Your sets are fine, any of those you listed will perform well. But sets alone won't magically make you do twice the DPS. If you follow the suggestions that I and Oreyn_Bearclaw made it would make a significant difference. ESO is a game of inches...you make a bunch of small improvements to your build that, by themselves, are relatively insignificant but as a whole combine to something larger.