Nightblades you had your fun time for a NERF

mr1sho · December 2016

Not going to argue with Nightblades because you know your class is Broken

1) FEAR needs to be rework this unbreakable CC it has is very annoying Nightblades have abusing it like its no tomorrow
2) surprise attack the debuff needs to go bad enough it's the easiest move weave with
3) incap not only does it defile you it has a knock back which leaves you on the ground and the Ultimate cost is way too low I use incap use a potion get right back while weaving surprise attack in this ultimate should cost 125 to 150 for all the damage it does

4) dark cloak actually think this skill is ok

There's no counter argument to this these things needs to be fix I don't care about PVE so derail my thread not a L2P issue because like I mentioned earlier I actually play Nightblade @zosgina or @Zostheboss whatever your get to work.......

Dymence · December 2016

mr1sho wrote: »

Not going to argue with Nightblades because you know your class is Broken

Why post a discussion if you aren't going to discuss?

Your salt belongs in the kitchen, not in the forum.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · December 2016

I also use a Nightblade but I don't actually use any of those abilities

I use the other Fear Morph, the one that summons the Wraiths, I use Concealed Weapon for the Stealth Movement Boost, Soul Harvest because Incapactating Strke Is useless for a Magicka Build and even Harvest is weak and I use Shadowy Disguise to get high critical.

Also did it ever occur to the reason your dying may be due to ALL STAMINA BUILDS being OP at the moment, it has nothing to do with Nightblades.

Also my NB is my weakest Character, my Magicka Sorceror far out performs them in 1 on 1 fights.

Milvan · December 2016

I assumed you never faced a stamsorc on the battlefield?

Ah, and I almost forgot, L2P, gitgud.

leepalmer95 · December 2016

mr1sho wrote: »

Not going to argue with Nightblades because you know your class is Broken

1) FEAR needs to be rework this unbreakable CC it has is very annoying Nightblades have abusing it like its no tomorrow
2) surprise attack the debuff needs to go bad enough it's the easiest move weave with
3) incap not only does it defile you it has a knock back which leaves you on the ground and the Ultimate cost is way too low I use incap use a potion get right back while weaving surprise attack in this ultimate should cost 125 to 150 for all the damage it does

4) dark cloak actually think this skill is ok

There's no counter argument to this these things needs to be fix I don't care about PVE so derail my thread not a L2P issue because like I mentioned earlier I actually play Nightblade @zosgina or @Zostheboss whatever your get to work.......

Fear no
Suprise attack no

Incap doesn't knock you back , i do agree the costs needs increasing to like 75 or 80 and the cc being changed to what it used to be, cc if they are lower hp. But 100 or 150 is too much.

But tell me where it hurts. It's ok let all the rage out.

laksikus · December 2016

Im Not playing stam nb and I dont think its broken.
Every stam class can one shot. Nothing New

Edziu · December 2016

mr1sho wrote: »

Not going to argue with Nightblades because you know your class is Broken

1) FEAR needs to be rework this unbreakable CC it has is very annoying Nightblades have abusing it like its no tomorrow
2) surprise attack the debuff needs to go bad enough it's the easiest move weave with
3) incap not only does it defile you it has a knock back which leaves you on the ground and the Ultimate cost is way too low I use incap use a potion get right back while weaving surprise attack in this ultimate should cost 125 to 150 for all the damage it does

4) dark cloak actually think this skill is ok

There's no counter argument to this these things needs to be fix I don't care about PVE so derail my thread not a L2P issue because like I mentioned earlier I actually play Nightblade @zosgina or @Zostheboss whatever your get to work.......

1) only good thing agains this meta with heavy armor perm blocking, at all dk also have stun which ignores block

2)ok, move debuf armor from this but then increase some pure damage of this skill to compensate to this or give other bonus which will not be to op and will be worth using like concealed weapon have nice passive buff

3)incap, stun is useless in this when you have feared your enemy, , cost 125-150 ulti...then need to buff more damage in this ult and give dot because pure damage of this skill isnt better than just surpise attack, only debuffs are worth sing this ulti, damage this ult ist to high at all

4)dark cloak isnt ok, this need huge fixes to be worth using this as single defensive ability like damage shield etc, now using only cloak as defensive skill is pretty useless, its worth using only with combine with some other skills like dark shade, suffle or other defensive/utilyty skills

Tryxus · December 2016

iAmLife · December 2016

Fear definitely needs something done to it! literally you can't break CC until you start going into the 'running back' movement.. by that time the NB can do all the harm he needs in-order to set up for the kill - one suggestion someone mentioned awhile back for fear was make the victim 'not hittable - protected (forgot the correct word to mention... but meh...)' until the CC break option kicks in... that way fear has its purpose and is not abused

JD2013 · December 2016

And this is why we get overhauls to classes and abilities that aren't really needed.

*Dies in Cyrodiil to X class*

*Comes on forums*

"NERF X CLASS!"

*X class gets reworked*

*Dies in Cyrodiil to Y class*

"NOW THIS CLASS NEEDS A NERF!!!!!!"

And the cycle continues.

iAmLife · December 2016

JD2013 wrote: »

And this is why we get overhauls to classes and abilities that aren't really needed.

*Dies in Cyrodiil to X class*

*Comes on forums*

"NERF X CLASS!"

*X class gets reworked*

*Dies in Cyrodiil to Y class*

"NOW THIS CLASS NEEDS A NERF!!!!!!"

And the cycle continues.

Even though I'm against all sort of nerfs... fear is the only skill I think needs to be worked on... or they should leave it as it is but add a early CC break option cause that skill needs something done to it.

xblackroxe · December 2016

iAmLife wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

And this is why we get overhauls to classes and abilities that aren't really needed.

*Dies in Cyrodiil to X class*

*Comes on forums*

"NERF X CLASS!"

*X class gets reworked*

*Dies in Cyrodiil to Y class*

"NOW THIS CLASS NEEDS A NERF!!!!!!"

And the cycle continues.

Even though I'm against all sort of nerfs... fear is the only skill I think needs to be worked on... or they should leave it as it is but add a early CC break option cause that skill needs something done to it.

I dont know what you people all have with fear i never had problems with breaking it. Maybe i got good enough ping to compensate? Idk

Tryxus · December 2016

xblackroxe wrote: »

iAmLife wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

And this is why we get overhauls to classes and abilities that aren't really needed.

*Dies in Cyrodiil to X class*

*Comes on forums*

"NERF X CLASS!"

*X class gets reworked*

*Dies in Cyrodiil to Y class*

"NOW THIS CLASS NEEDS A NERF!!!!!!"

And the cycle continues.

Even though I'm against all sort of nerfs... fear is the only skill I think needs to be worked on... or they should leave it as it is but add a early CC break option cause that skill needs something done to it.

I dont know what you people all have with fear i never had problems with breaking it. Maybe i got good enough ping to compensate? Idk

Well, Fear does need to be looked into cuz it doesn't always fire reliably either. Use Magicka, no audio, no visuals, no fear >_>

iAmLife · December 2016

xblackroxe wrote: »

iAmLife wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

And this is why we get overhauls to classes and abilities that aren't really needed.

*Dies in Cyrodiil to X class*

*Comes on forums*

"NERF X CLASS!"

*X class gets reworked*

*Dies in Cyrodiil to Y class*

"NOW THIS CLASS NEEDS A NERF!!!!!!"

And the cycle continues.

Even though I'm against all sort of nerfs... fear is the only skill I think needs to be worked on... or they should leave it as it is but add a early CC break option cause that skill needs something done to it.

I dont know what you people all have with fear i never had problems with breaking it. Maybe i got good enough ping to compensate? Idk

You cannot CC break fear until the fact you start going into the process of running backwards... you cannot CC break anytime before that movement...

Dracane · December 2016

The problem with nightblades lies in their passives, not their active abilities.
They get too many powerful buffs for simply slotting an ability, buffs that shouldn't be achieveable that easily.
Minor berserk, 8% magicka for example.

Wing · December 2016

we are back to nerf NB already?!

I swear its going faster these days, we used to be on one class for a few months at a time.

can we just compile all these nerf threads into one called "nerf the game" perhaps like the known issues thread:

Known nerf requests
--CLASSES--
DK
-all of it, cept dragon blood, it sucks, don't buff it though
Sorc
-all of it, cept pets, they suck
NB
-all of it, cept cloak, make it highlight you to the enemy instead for revenge purposes
Templar
-all of it, cept jesus beam, make it cause the player to smack themselves in the face every time they use it.

--SETS--
-anything with a %chance
-or damage
-or sustain
-in fact lets just remove sets
-cept health regen, it sucks
-unless it a lot of health regen, then its annoying and needs to be nerfed

--CONSUMABLES--
-all of them
-especially the ones that heal
-and the poisons
-especially the ones the cause harmful effects
-those suck
-food too, cept green food. . .I mean who uses green food
-unless they stack resources and thus damage with it
-or have the hp to survive my poorly attempted gank
-in fact, yeah, remove all food, drink is fine though, drink sucks
-you know what, lets be safe, drink too, just in case

ETC.
ETC.

Enslaved · December 2016

I agree with OP.

Let me contribute to this astute discussion.

NB should have some minor nerfs such as

reduced movement speed by 75% when using cloak
reduced bow damage by 50% when using them while hidden
sharpened weapons used from cloak should deal 50% less damage
Dark cloak is fine, but 2.5 sec makes it op. Remake it to be channeling spell and require 2 seconds of channel before 2 seconds of invisibility.
Mark target is severely broken, make it work only on targets less than 5 meters away.
siphoning attacks are way too op, Zos suould nerf them again. Cut the duration to 5 seconds and make 10% chance more reasonable, like 5%
Funnel health should work only if target is less than 5 meters away
It is not fair that Soul Tether costs just 150 ultimate. Make it at least 300, like WW
Sap essence is broken. Major sorcery is way too much op, remove that.
Catalyst passive is unfair to all other classes. I mean, really Zos? They get to drink skooma and get ulti as well?

To be fair, I would love to see some improvements to NB too.

Shadow image should provide major mending for 1.5 seconds when activated for 3rd time in a row.
Refreshing path can duration boost from 2 to 2.25 seconds
Prolonged suffering has even longer duration if no weapon is equipped
If wielding only a shield, you get 1% more damage using grim focus

leepalmer95 · December 2016

I never have problems breaker fear, maybe people just panic press break free.

If your on a console don't tap both buttons together, press block first and then break free. It's a lot more reliable.

olsborg · December 2016

Unbreakable cc? You may want to start managing your stamina then lol, I dont say this often, but l2p.

iAmLife · December 2016

To be honest NB can stay as they are... just add an early CC break for fear as you can do with literally any stun/immobilise states... heck even for snares you got shuffle... so why leave an option out for fear? lol

iAmLife · December 2016

olsborg wrote: »

Unbreakable cc? You may want to start managing your stamina then lol, I dont say this often, but l2p.

If only l2p was the issue my 'pro' buddy... something that has a 'force movement' until you can CC break doesn't fall into manage your stam/l2p... it's coded in meaning no matter what you do, you cannot break it unless you're in that 'running backwards' state

Or maybe the issue is with PC only?

olsborg · December 2016

iAmLife wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Unbreakable cc? You may want to start managing your stamina then lol, I dont say this often, but l2p.

If only l2p was the issue my 'pro' buddy... something that has a 'force movement' until you can CC break doesn't fall into manage your stam/l2p... it's coded in meaning no matter what you do, you cannot break it unless you're in that 'running backwards' state

Fear cc doesnt have monopoly on this, there are several other cc's that work like this, Reverberating Bash is one that comes to mind.

DannyLV702 · December 2016

Enslaved wrote: »

I agree with OP.

Let me contribute to this astute discussion.

NB should have some minor nerfs such as
reduced movement speed by 75% when using cloak

reduced bow damage by 50% when using them while hidden

sharpened weapons used from cloak should deal 50% less damage

Dark cloak is fine, but 2.5 sec makes it op. Remake it to be channeling spell and require 2 seconds of channel before 2 seconds of invisibility.

Mark target is severely broken, make it work only on targets less than 5 meters away.

siphoning attacks are way too op, Zos suould nerf them again. Cut the duration to 5 seconds and make 10% chance more reasonable, like 5%

Funnel health should work only if target is less than 5 meters away

It is not fair that Soul Tether costs just 150 ultimate. Make it at least 300, like WW

Sap essence is broken. Major sorcery is way too much op, remove that.

Catalyst passive is unfair to all other classes. I mean, really Zos? They get to drink skooma and get ulti as well?

To be fair, I would love to see some improvements to NB too.
Shadow image should provide major mending for 1.5 seconds when activated for 3rd time in a row.

Refreshing path can duration boost from 2 to 2.25 seconds

Prolonged suffering has even longer duration if no weapon is equipped

If wielding only a shield, you get 1% more damage using grim focus

Lol

Strider_Roshin · December 2016

If anything Nightblades need a buff.

iAmLife · December 2016

olsborg wrote: »

iAmLife wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Unbreakable cc? You may want to start managing your stamina then lol, I dont say this often, but l2p.

If only l2p was the issue my 'pro' buddy... something that has a 'force movement' until you can CC break doesn't fall into manage your stam/l2p... it's coded in meaning no matter what you do, you cannot break it unless you're in that 'running backwards' state

Fear cc doesnt have monopoly on this, there are several other cc's that work like this, Reverberating Bash is one that comes to mind.

Well, as you can tell from what gets used the most is fear... 9 times out of 10 every player in cyro on 'PC' you'll find using fear.. they literally have a group made only to release fear on you one after another...

mr1sho · December 2016

olsborg wrote: »

Unbreakable cc? You may want to start managing your stamina then lol, I dont say this often, but l2p.

L2P ? Why comment on the thread if you didn't read what I wrote the CC from the fear is unbreakable I don't say this often but please and I say this with kindness jump in the lake with slaughter fish

Edziu · December 2016

@Enslaved you forgot about few things:

double take, need to go away with this speed buff for 4 sec, give instead minor expedicion for 2 sec

concealed weapon movement speen in stealth also to op, take away it ang give additional 1 second duration of stun after attack from hide

surpise attacks nerf dmg by 50% because now with major fracture its to op

ambush with empower to op, damage also to high, need to reduce to 50% and make cast time 1 second to not be spammable

Crippling Grasp immobilize for 2 sec your target also to op with giving you speed buff, need to tak away ane thing

Nifty2g · December 2016

i think nightblades are in an awful spot right now lol

iAmLife · December 2016

Edziu wrote: »

@Enslaved you forgot about few things:

double take, need to go away with this speed buff for 4 sec, give instead minor expedicion for 2 sec

concealed weapon movement speen in stealth also to op, take away it ang give additional 1 second duration of stun after attack from hide

surpise attacks nerf dmg by 50% because now with major fracture its to op

ambush with empower to op, damage also to high, need to reduce to 50% and make cast time 1 second to not be spammable

Crippling Grasp immobilize for 2 sec your target also to op with giving you speed buff, need to tak away ane thing

haha by that just make NB a potato class

strikeback1247 · December 2016

Enslaved wrote: »

I agree with OP.

Let me contribute to this astute discussion.

NB should have some minor nerfs such as
reduced movement speed by 75% when using cloak

reduced bow damage by 50% when using them while hidden

sharpened weapons used from cloak should deal 50% less damage

Dark cloak is fine, but 2.5 sec makes it op. Remake it to be channeling spell and require 2 seconds of channel before 2 seconds of invisibility.

Mark target is severely broken, make it work only on targets less than 5 meters away.

siphoning attacks are way too op, Zos suould nerf them again. Cut the duration to 5 seconds and make 10% chance more reasonable, like 5%

Funnel health should work only if target is less than 5 meters away

It is not fair that Soul Tether costs just 150 ultimate. Make it at least 300, like WW

Sap essence is broken. Major sorcery is way too much op, remove that.

Catalyst passive is unfair to all other classes. I mean, really Zos? They get to drink skooma and get ulti as well?

To be fair, I would love to see some improvements to NB too.
Shadow image should provide major mending for 1.5 seconds when activated for 3rd time in a row.

Refreshing path can duration boost from 2 to 2.25 seconds

Prolonged suffering has even longer duration if no weapon is equipped

If wielding only a shield, you get 1% more damage using grim focus

You get my vote for "best troll of the day"-award my good sir

mr1sho · December 2016

Dymence wrote: »

mr1sho wrote: »

Not going to argue with Nightblades because you know your class is Broken

Why post a discussion if you aren't going to discuss?

Your salt belongs in the kitchen, not in the forum.

I'm not salty at all my friend Nightblades need to be tone down