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Maelstrom penetration requirement
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Junipus✭✭✭✭✭Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »So, failing to have NMG armour, would you move cp from precise strikes to piercing for trials/vma?
The man himself - @Alcast's video on spell/armour pen:
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FriedEggSandwich✭✭✭✭✭
✭overall i think 10k penetration is enough. To get 18k penetration you will lose to much other stats.
I'm sitting on about 15.7k spell pen with Spinners along with 42k magicka and 2.3k spell damage on my magblade. It'd be more magicka but I'm Imperial and don't want to change, so I'd imagine about 45-46k magicka on a magicka race.
I could switch Spinners for Julianos and have 2.5k spell damage and 40k magicka and sit at 12k spell pen, but I find it's about the same for run times and more damage on some mobs with Spinners.
I'm sure that those with more practice on comparison could provide more maths to backup whatever position they take.
I'm finding the same. I've tried combinations of julianos with elegant, julianos with spinners and elegant with spinners. I've settled on elegant with spinners because that's what burns through stuff the quickest. With this setup and a sharpened vma staff and 30ish cp in spell erosion I'm sitting at 17k spell pen. I know this is over-penetrating at least some of the arena but if I so much as lose 1k spell pen by removing cp from spell erosion then most mobs and bosses take slightly longer to burn. I don't understand it but I have to go with what I find. I've started recording my runs with the intention of posting a comparison, but the files come out at 190GB which is too big to upload to YT and I don't own rendering software anymore. I'm looking for some free software to get those file sizes down and then I'll post a comparison between elegant with spinners agaisnt elegant with julianos.
I wish zos would just make all mob resistance levels public, I don't know why we have to guess.PC | EU0 -
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✭Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »So, failing to have NMG armour, would you move cp from precise strikes to piercing for trials/vma?
I was just wondering this
Yeah, trying to figure out if the reduction in precise strikes from 15% to 10% is worth the increase in piercing from 149 to 1382...
Edit: assuming 18k resistance, 1382 pen is 7.6% extra damage, but at a loss of more damage due to crit modifiers (shadow, rearming trap, etc.). Doesnt seem worth it
Edited by Bobby_V_Rockit on November 28, 2016 1:47AM0 -
S1ipperyJim✭✭✭✭✭IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »Kinda surprising that the last stage requires only 9k penetration.
Stage 8 boss for example my overloads are hitting for around 52k on crits. Stage 9 boss its all the way down to 40k.
I'm only sitting at 10k penetration, LA passives and sharpened.
Armor is only one calculation when working out damage taken by the target, most mobs have specific resistances and weaknesses such as to lightning or fire
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Lukums1✭✭✭✭bottleofsyrup wrote: »IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »Kinda surprising that the last stage requires only 9k penetration.
Stage 8 boss for example my overloads are hitting for around 52k on crits. Stage 9 boss its all the way down to 40k.
I'm only sitting at 10k penetration, LA passives and sharpened.
What are you running to get 52k crits? Mine are about 40k with Elegant.
I hit for 56-60k.
Elegant - Spinner - Molag Kena - Not kidding try it lol. - for the LOLS obviously not for an actual build
Pretty sure if I had swords it would be over 60k crits.Edited by Lukums1 on November 28, 2016 3:59AMPS4 Yellow Scum Dominion
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FriedEggSandwich✭✭✭✭✭
✭bottleofsyrup wrote: »IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »Kinda surprising that the last stage requires only 9k penetration.
Stage 8 boss for example my overloads are hitting for around 52k on crits. Stage 9 boss its all the way down to 40k.
I'm only sitting at 10k penetration, LA passives and sharpened.
What are you running to get 52k crits? Mine are about 40k with Elegant.
I hit for 56-60k.
Elegant - Spinner - Molag Kena - Not kidding try it lol. - for the LOLS obviously not for an actual build
Pretty sure if I had swords it would be over 60k crits.
Even without kena my overloads crit for 48k on the stage 8 boss, she weak af lol. How do you sustain with kena btw? Elemental drain?PC | EU0 -
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✭✭✭✭bottleofsyrup wrote: »IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »Kinda surprising that the last stage requires only 9k penetration.
Stage 8 boss for example my overloads are hitting for around 52k on crits. Stage 9 boss its all the way down to 40k.
I'm only sitting at 10k penetration, LA passives and sharpened.
What are you running to get 52k crits? Mine are about 40k with Elegant.
I hit for 56-60k.
Elegant - Spinner - Molag Kena - Not kidding try it lol. - for the LOLS obviously not for an actual build
Pretty sure if I had swords it would be over 60k crits.
Swords have no impact on overload. The passives from dual wielding go away when you turn on overload. The only thing that matters is sharpened.0 -
FriedEggSandwich✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »bottleofsyrup wrote: »IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »Kinda surprising that the last stage requires only 9k penetration.
Stage 8 boss for example my overloads are hitting for around 52k on crits. Stage 9 boss its all the way down to 40k.
I'm only sitting at 10k penetration, LA passives and sharpened.
What are you running to get 52k crits? Mine are about 40k with Elegant.
I hit for 56-60k.
Elegant - Spinner - Molag Kena - Not kidding try it lol. - for the LOLS obviously not for an actual build
Pretty sure if I had swords it would be over 60k crits.
Swords have no impact on overload. The passives from dual wielding go away when you turn on overload. The only thing that matters is sharpened.
2x swords up your spell damage and overload uses the stats from the bar you cast it on. So swords do affect overload dmg even with no passive.PC | EU0 -
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✭✭✭✭FriedEggSandwich wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »bottleofsyrup wrote: »IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »Kinda surprising that the last stage requires only 9k penetration.
Stage 8 boss for example my overloads are hitting for around 52k on crits. Stage 9 boss its all the way down to 40k.
I'm only sitting at 10k penetration, LA passives and sharpened.
What are you running to get 52k crits? Mine are about 40k with Elegant.
I hit for 56-60k.
Elegant - Spinner - Molag Kena - Not kidding try it lol. - for the LOLS obviously not for an actual build
Pretty sure if I had swords it would be over 60k crits.
Swords have no impact on overload. The passives from dual wielding go away when you turn on overload. The only thing that matters is sharpened.
2x swords up your spell damage and overload uses the stats from the bar you cast it on. So swords do affect overload dmg even with no passive.
You get the same amount of spell damage from ANY combination of duals. The extra damage you get from swords is a flat 2.5% from each equipped, added to the damage you already were going to do. They do not add spell or weapon damage. So swords do not matter to an overload sorc. For the reason I stated and since a sorc is not going to be spending a lot of time on the back bar, usually the only two damage skills that are on it are liquid lightning and mages fury, the sorc execute.0 -
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✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »bottleofsyrup wrote: »IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »Kinda surprising that the last stage requires only 9k penetration.
Stage 8 boss for example my overloads are hitting for around 52k on crits. Stage 9 boss its all the way down to 40k.
I'm only sitting at 10k penetration, LA passives and sharpened.
What are you running to get 52k crits? Mine are about 40k with Elegant.
I hit for 56-60k.
Elegant - Spinner - Molag Kena - Not kidding try it lol. - for the LOLS obviously not for an actual build
Pretty sure if I had swords it would be over 60k crits.
Swords have no impact on overload. The passives from dual wielding go away when you turn on overload. The only thing that matters is sharpened.
2x swords up your spell damage and overload uses the stats from the bar you cast it on. So swords do affect overload dmg even with no passive.
You get the same amount of spell damage from ANY combination of duals. The extra damage you get from swords is a flat 2.5% from each equipped, added to the damage you already were going to do. They do not add spell or weapon damage. So swords do not matter to an overload sorc. For the reason I stated and since a sorc is not going to be spending a lot of time on the back bar, usually the only two damage skills that are on it are liquid lightning and mages fury, the sorc execute.
Perhaps I should have said dual wield then rather than swords. My spell damage is considerably higher (400) on my dual wield bar than my destro bar. 400 extra sd does affect overload. That's what I was getting at.PC | EU0 -
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✭✭✭✭FriedEggSandwich wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »bottleofsyrup wrote: »IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »Kinda surprising that the last stage requires only 9k penetration.
Stage 8 boss for example my overloads are hitting for around 52k on crits. Stage 9 boss its all the way down to 40k.
I'm only sitting at 10k penetration, LA passives and sharpened.
What are you running to get 52k crits? Mine are about 40k with Elegant.
I hit for 56-60k.
Elegant - Spinner - Molag Kena - Not kidding try it lol. - for the LOLS obviously not for an actual build
Pretty sure if I had swords it would be over 60k crits.
Swords have no impact on overload. The passives from dual wielding go away when you turn on overload. The only thing that matters is sharpened.
2x swords up your spell damage and overload uses the stats from the bar you cast it on. So swords do affect overload dmg even with no passive.
You get the same amount of spell damage from ANY combination of duals. The extra damage you get from swords is a flat 2.5% from each equipped, added to the damage you already were going to do. They do not add spell or weapon damage. So swords do not matter to an overload sorc. For the reason I stated and since a sorc is not going to be spending a lot of time on the back bar, usually the only two damage skills that are on it are liquid lightning and mages fury, the sorc execute.
Perhaps I should have said dual wield then rather than swords. My spell damage is considerably higher (400) on my dual wield bar than my destro bar. 400 extra sd does affect overload. That's what I was getting at.
That is not what you said though. You explicitly stated that swords give more spell damage. That is not true. Am overload sorc can use any duels on the overload bar and get the same result. I use duel elegant maces on my sorc.
Now you have already stated you miss typed but the amount of people that think the type of duals you use on an overload sorc is astounding, and the reason you see/saw sharpened elegant swords sell for an absurd amount Like 1 million gold. It is just funny to think literally spent 10X what I did for the same impact on overload.0 -
FriedEggSandwich✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »bottleofsyrup wrote: »IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »Kinda surprising that the last stage requires only 9k penetration.
Stage 8 boss for example my overloads are hitting for around 52k on crits. Stage 9 boss its all the way down to 40k.
I'm only sitting at 10k penetration, LA passives and sharpened.
What are you running to get 52k crits? Mine are about 40k with Elegant.
I hit for 56-60k.
Elegant - Spinner - Molag Kena - Not kidding try it lol. - for the LOLS obviously not for an actual build
Pretty sure if I had swords it would be over 60k crits.
Swords have no impact on overload. The passives from dual wielding go away when you turn on overload. The only thing that matters is sharpened.
2x swords up your spell damage and overload uses the stats from the bar you cast it on. So swords do affect overload dmg even with no passive.
You get the same amount of spell damage from ANY combination of duals. The extra damage you get from swords is a flat 2.5% from each equipped, added to the damage you already were going to do. They do not add spell or weapon damage. So swords do not matter to an overload sorc. For the reason I stated and since a sorc is not going to be spending a lot of time on the back bar, usually the only two damage skills that are on it are liquid lightning and mages fury, the sorc execute.
Perhaps I should have said dual wield then rather than swords. My spell damage is considerably higher (400) on my dual wield bar than my destro bar. 400 extra sd does affect overload. That's what I was getting at.
That is not what you said though. You explicitly stated that swords give more spell damage. That is not true. Am overload sorc can use any duels on the overload bar and get the same result. I use duel elegant maces on my sorc.
Now you have already stated you miss typed but the amount of people that think the type of duals you use on an overload sorc is astounding, and the reason you see/saw sharpened elegant swords sell for an absurd amount Like 1 million gold. It is just funny to think literally spent 10X what I did for the same impact on overload.
Yeah sorry I missunderstood what you meant initially; when you said swords have no impact on overload I read that as dual wield has no effect on overload, may bad. I knew the dual wield passive didn't carry over to overlroad bar, I use crafted swords cos they look cooler.PC | EU0 -
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✭✭Hello comrades, I decided to check how much penetration is needed to maximize your damage in veteran Maelstrom arena, so here are the results.
METHODOLOGY: I datamined every aspect of maelstrom to find out what's the armor of every single mob there, no, I'm kidding, I used the 2h ultimate that gives armor based on your targets armor to see how much I was gainning from each main boss (I'm way too lazy to check on every trash mob).
RESULTS:
ARENAS 1,6 and 9: requires 9k penetration;
ARENAS 2,3, and 5 requires 12k penetration;
ARENAS 4,7 and 8 requires 18k penetration.
Not sure if this has been done before, but here they are.
I was checking on this thread to see what the Math people came up with. Had a lightbulb moment looking it over! I think maybe the mobs and bosses have different physical and spell resistance. Your tests were with mele weapons, so results are physical resistance...I think. It may be different for magic classes? Maybe?
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Milvan✭✭✭✭✭
✭kylewwefan wrote: »Hello comrades, I decided to check how much penetration is needed to maximize your damage in veteran Maelstrom arena, so here are the results.
METHODOLOGY: I datamined every aspect of maelstrom to find out what's the armor of every single mob there, no, I'm kidding, I used the 2h ultimate that gives armor based on your targets armor to see how much I was gainning from each main boss (I'm way too lazy to check on every trash mob).
RESULTS:
ARENAS 1,6 and 9: requires 9k penetration;
ARENAS 2,3, and 5 requires 12k penetration;
ARENAS 4,7 and 8 requires 18k penetration.
Not sure if this has been done before, but here they are.
I was checking on this thread to see what the Math people came up with. Had a lightbulb moment looking it over! I think maybe the mobs and bosses have different physical and spell resistance. Your tests were with mele weapons, so results are physical resistance...I think. It may be different for magic classes? Maybe?
Very good question my friend! I did the test with the Berserker Strike ultimate, this ultimate gives to the player both Physical and Spell Resistance equal to the amount ignored for 8 Seconds. So it does include spell resistance.“Kings of the land and the sky we are; proud gryphons.” Stalker stands, the epitome of pride. Naked and muscular, his wings widen and his feet dig in as if he alone holds down the earth and supports the heavens, keeping the two ever separate.”
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