PSA WHY YOU GOT KICKED from a pug!

nraner81 · November 2016

ITS NOT ALWAYS ABOUT CP!!!!! realize that and fix yourself, Things to fix:
1. KEEP UP! do not stop to loot every crate, this is a team thing not you running around farming.
2. stay out of the red/follow mechanics. you don't kno them? better have a mic then
3. have a mic!!!
4. have at least right gear on..... 2H are not used for healer..... SaB is not DPS..... yes game is play your way and feel free to do so. but put yourself on a team and your TEAM will not put up with dead weight....
5. kno the basics, dps revives if able etc....
6. be considerate in group chat, nobody wants to hear your ***king dog bark for the whole time, or your mom yelling at you as funny as it may be for a min.
7. bring your own food! the first thing you say is have food = kick

Glurin · November 2016

1. Does not apply when kicked before you even start.
2. Does not apply when kicked before you even start.
3. Does not apply when kicked before you even start.
4. Given no chance to swap equipment when kicked before you even start.
5. Does not apply when kicked before you even start.
6. Yeah, not cool.
7. Does not apply when kicked before you even start.

Are we seeing a pattern here?

ArchMikem · November 2016

I'm not a fan of "tough love", though I think OP made this post more out of spite than a desire to inform.

Doctordarkspawn · November 2016

ArchMikem wrote: »

I'm not a fan of "tough love", though I think OP made this post more out of spite than a desire to inform.

I am, though. Some people dont learn via any other method, and they typically use group finder religiously.

Tandor · November 2016

You got to hand it to groupers, they sure know how to promote soloing in MMOs.

Humatiel · November 2016

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

I'm not a fan of "tough love", though I think OP made this post more out of spite than a desire to inform.

I am, though. Some people dont learn via any other method, and they typically use group finder religiously.

QFT

SickDuck · November 2016

1b. DON'T RUSH! this is a team thing not you running around farming.
4 - This is a PUG run. No need to have fully minmax'ed setup to breeze through. Expecting it is as delusional as healing with 2H.

"I miss when Vdung were tough and fun." - the biggest reason I do PUG runs is that they are always different and you need to adapt instead of face-rolling the dungeon the same way every time. For the later I have friends.

1mirg · November 2016

nraner81 wrote: »

ITS NOT ALWAYS ABOUT CP!!!!! realize that and fix yourself, Things to fix:
1. KEEP UP! do not stop to loot every crate, this is a team thing not you running around farming.
2. stay out of the red/follow mechanics. you don't kno them? better have a mic then
3. have a mic!!!
4. have at least right gear on..... 2H are not used for healer..... SaB is not DPS..... yes game is play your way and feel free to do so. but put yourself on a team and your TEAM will not put up with dead weight....
5. kno the basics, dps revives if able etc....
6. be considerate in group chat, nobody wants to hear your ***king dog bark for the whole time, or your mom yelling at you as funny as it may be for a min.
7. bring your own food! the first thing you say is have food = kick

Some people like to take their time and not bumrush through everything. Kinda sad that you don't understand this
Same could be said to you, not everyone is perfect.
Quite a few people don't like using mics, having a mic shouldn't be a requirement for let alone a Pug
If there play-style is bothering you so much, then I'd say the person whom is the bigger issue is you and not them.
Everyone knows how to revive, its just a matter of if they are a able to or not at the moment in time.
If you don't want to hear background noise from people with a busy life, then why are you requiring everyone to have a mic when it would bother you if they had background noise?
meh, i prefer using potions and spells over food.

ArchMikem · November 2016

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

I'm not a fan of "tough love", though I think OP made this post more out of spite than a desire to inform.

I am, though. Some people dont learn via any other method, and they typically use group finder religiously.

I don't buy that. Combining instruction with knives and salt will only agitate the wound, regardless if you believe it's a faster way of getting the healing into the body. (/ end metaphor) Not to mention that's not a good excuse to use tough love on everyone thinking it's the only way. If you combine a negative with a positive people will only ever see the negative and things will only get worse.

Even if there are players who continually get into groups with no regard or consideration for the other players, they are not the only ones with the issue. I've had a player abandon our group because we refused to kick who they wanted out. We were doing the Dungeon just fine but he still insisted on the kick and then left when he didn't get his way.

runagate · November 2016

nraner81 wrote: »

Some people like to take their time and not bumrush through everything. Kinda sad that you don't understand this

This is the one thing that isn't arguable. It is completely and utterly a hard fact that when doing a group activity, unless you have the blessing of the other people ahead of time, that you should not be looting the same kind of containers that exist everywhere else in the world. You are consciously wasting other people's time over something you could be doing while playing alone.

Also, PvPers and others who mysteriously don't seem to know any better: there's a crazy amount of heavy sacks everywhere. 12 man Trials are NOT the place to hunt endlessly for heavy sacks.

Ruben · November 2016

1mirg wrote: »

meh, i prefer using potions and spells over food.

You're so wrong you don't even know why you're wrong.

Rune_Relic · November 2016

runagate wrote: »

nraner81 wrote: »

Some people like to take their time and not bumrush through everything. Kinda sad that you don't understand this

This is the one thing that isn't arguable. It is completely and utterly a hard fact that when doing a group activity, unless you have the blessing of the other people ahead of time, that you should not be looting the same kind of containers that exist everywhere else in the world. You are consciously wasting other people's time over something you could be doing while playing alone.

Also, PvPers and others who mysteriously don't seem to know any better: there's a crazy amount of heavy sacks everywhere. 12 man Trials are NOT the place to hunt endlessly for heavy sacks.

and if your trying to do the quests....or collect lore books ?
Solo the vet group dungeon ?

1mirg · November 2016

Ruben wrote: »

You're so wrong you don't even know why you're wrong.

I might be in the wrong for using only potions and spells, but I never had any issue with this method of playstyle throughout my entire time playing the game. If it works, don't fix it I'd say.

Buffler · November 2016

1mirg wrote: »

Ruben wrote: »

You're so wrong you don't even know why you're wrong.

I might be in the wrong for using only potions and spells, but I never had any issue with this method of playstyle throughout my entire time playing the game. If it works, don't fix it I'd say.

Im scared of the answers you are giving. I pray i never group with similar players to yourself.

redspecter23 · November 2016

1mirg wrote: »

nraner81 wrote: »

ITS NOT ALWAYS ABOUT CP!!!!! realize that and fix yourself, Things to fix:
1. KEEP UP! do not stop to loot every crate, this is a team thing not you running around farming.
2. stay out of the red/follow mechanics. you don't kno them? better have a mic then
3. have a mic!!!
4. have at least right gear on..... 2H are not used for healer..... SaB is not DPS..... yes game is play your way and feel free to do so. but put yourself on a team and your TEAM will not put up with dead weight....
5. kno the basics, dps revives if able etc....
6. be considerate in group chat, nobody wants to hear your ***king dog bark for the whole time, or your mom yelling at you as funny as it may be for a min.
7. bring your own food! the first thing you say is have food = kick

Some people like to take their time and not bumrush through everything. Kinda sad that you don't understand this

Same could be said to you, not everyone is perfect.

Quite a few people don't like using mics, having a mic shouldn't be a requirement for let alone a Pug

If there play-style is bothering you so much, then I'd say the person whom is the bigger issue is you and not them.

Everyone knows how to revive, its just a matter of if they are a able to or not at the moment in time.

If you don't want to hear background noise from people with a busy life, then why are you requiring everyone to have a mic when it would bother you if they had background noise?

meh, i prefer using potions and spells over food.

On your last point, if you don't use food which has a cost of approximately 5g each, then you are massively hurting your party to save 5g? Why? If you're on PC/NA I'll send you 500 of the things just to make life easier on you if saving that gold is so important.

Shad0wfire99 · November 2016

Also, if you're a DD in WGT and you refuse to grab the Pinion at the Planar Inhibitor, you're gone.

1mirg · November 2016

Buffler wrote: »

Im scared of the answers you are giving. I pray i never group with similar players to yourself.

You prob will, sooner or later. I see more players such as myself each and every-day

redspecter23 · November 2016

runagate wrote: »

Also, PvPers and others who mysteriously don't seem to know any better: there's a crazy amount of heavy sacks everywhere. 12 man Trials are NOT the place to hunt endlessly for heavy sacks.

I really, really wish more people thought this way.

Bobby_V_Rockit · November 2016

1mirg wrote: »

Ruben wrote: »

You're so wrong you don't even know why you're wrong.

I might be in the wrong for using only potions and spells, but I never had any issue with this method of playstyle throughout my entire time playing the game. If it works, don't fix it I'd say.

Can use both, but food will boost health and mag/stam resource pool making your abilities stronger. I.e.: the tooltip base damage for an ability goes up significantly if you add 5k stam. Just eat as you enter dungeon then spell and potion away.

Doctordarkspawn · November 2016

ArchMikem wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

I'm not a fan of "tough love", though I think OP made this post more out of spite than a desire to inform.

I am, though. Some people dont learn via any other method, and they typically use group finder religiously.

I don't buy that. Combining instruction with knives and salt will only agitate the wound, regardless if you believe it's a faster way of getting the healing into the body. (/ end metaphor) Not to mention that's not a good excuse to use tough love on everyone thinking it's the only way. If you combine a negative with a positive people will only ever see the negative and things will only get worse.

Even if there are players who continually get into groups with no regard or consideration for the other players, they are not the only ones with the issue. I've had a player abandon our group because we refused to kick who they wanted out. We were doing the Dungeon just fine but he still insisted on the kick and then left when he didn't get his way.

See, I've been on that side of the fence too, but I've also been on the side of the fence watching unreasonable people be real damn unreasonable. A few examples.

First example was a guy we had got. Healer. I was tanking, friend was on their stam DPS toon, NB, horrible sustain as you do so they ask the healer to drop shards. Healer goes off on him for being a 'whiney ***' and being 'needy'. We try to explain as calmly as possible that it'd be nice if he help the stam DPS out and that traditionally thats what templar healers do. He proceeds to say he's pure heals and if we dont like it we can suck it up with no heals. I proceed to equip my Destro, being a templar tank, equip shards, and he proceeds to leave. We three man'd the dungeon with the other pug who was like 'ya'll crazy.'

The second was a WGT run. I was tanking, my friend was healing this time. We get to Planar Inhib and repeatedly die because one DPS simply will not DPS portals, or rez. We tell them, they dont respond, they keep doin' what they doin'. We vote to kick because we're def not gonna make any progress with them holding us up. Other DPS refuses. He's a guy with Dro'mathra and Maelstrom weapons. What is his response? His response is to go 'your a bad healer and your a bad tank.'

For refrence, his complaints were that I had too much health (Little under 35 K, 33 with bloodspawn) wasn't running Warhorn and 'didn't block enough', and so I nor him had no right to judge. Of course we left basicly disbanding the party due to having both support rolls lead.

The point I'm trying to get to is extremes are bad, and people are either on the 'Meta or die' and 'Run with whoever it gives you and like it' extreme. Neither have a good track record.

But to not totally end this on a horrid note, I met a DPS who used primarily bow. Group was disbanded after we hit Maulbeth on a pledge and couldn't pass it due to DPS. One of the DPS got real pissed at me and I asked if they were new since they didn't do mechanics, and it turns out they were. Spent 30 minutes going over the basics of why bow isn't viable, how stat stacking works, and where they should go for some nice builds.

The TLDR: Help who you can but dont be afraid to give people tough love. Some people are too stuborn to lisen to you and will continue doing the same thing even if it's geting the group killed. Offer one hand, arm the other.

Shad0wfire99 · November 2016

1mirg wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

Im scared of the answers you are giving. I pray i never group with similar players to yourself.

You prob will, sooner or later. I see more players such as myself each and every-day

I dunno. You might be the only player on the planet that either doesn't know you can use potions AND food, or the only one that just decided to use one over the other.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · November 2016

nraner81 wrote: »

ITS NOT ALWAYS ABOUT CP!!!!! realize that and fix yourself, Things to fix:

this is a team thing

Agreed. Now if we could get by this notion that what one loud mouth in the group wants, is what the team wants.

runagate · November 2016

Rune_Relic wrote: »

runagate wrote: »

nraner81 wrote: »

Some people like to take their time and not bumrush through everything. Kinda sad that you don't understand this

This is the one thing that isn't arguable. It is completely and utterly a hard fact that when doing a group activity, unless you have the blessing of the other people ahead of time, that you should not be looting the same kind of containers that exist everywhere else in the world. You are consciously wasting other people's time over something you could be doing while playing alone.

Also, PvPers and others who mysteriously don't seem to know any better: there's a crazy amount of heavy sacks everywhere. 12 man Trials are NOT the place to hunt endlessly for heavy sacks.

and if your trying to do the quests....or collect lore books ?
Solo the vet group dungeon ?

Ask first. It's that simple.

Mojmir · November 2016

Glurin wrote: »

1. Does not apply when kicked before you even start.
2. Does not apply when kicked before you even start.
3. Does not apply when kicked before you even start.
4. Given no chance to swap equipment when kicked before you even start.
5. Does not apply when kicked before you even start.
6. Yeah, not cool.
7. Does not apply when kicked before you even start.

Are we seeing a pattern here?

Yes,you weren't prepared to even enter a group

sneakymitchell · November 2016

For the food thing I give them one pretty much. Sometimes players forgot to to get their food from another character

Darethran · November 2016

In regards to #1, ya sure are a ***. Let's just skip the motifs, the recipes and the mats. Pffft.

DragonBound · November 2016

nraner81 wrote: »

ITS NOT ALWAYS ABOUT CP!!!!! realize that and fix yourself, Things to fix:
1. KEEP UP! do not stop to loot every crate, this is a team thing not you running around farming.
2. stay out of the red/follow mechanics. you don't kno them? better have a mic then
3. have a mic!!!
4. have at least right gear on..... 2H are not used for healer..... SaB is not DPS..... yes game is play your way and feel free to do so. but put yourself on a team and your TEAM will not put up with dead weight....
5. kno the basics, dps revives if able etc....
6. be considerate in group chat, nobody wants to hear your ***king dog bark for the whole time, or your mom yelling at you as funny as it may be for a min.
7. bring your own food! the first thing you say is have food = kick

1. No, just because some people prefer to not explore and loot every crate does not mean everyone wants to play that way, maybe you should make it clear before you invite people what kind of group you are.
2. Why? It is not that hard to type not everyone wants to hear annoying kids screaming at each other in a mic over a silly video game.
3. Same thing applies as 2.
4. Fair enough.
5. Fair enough
6. Same goes for group leader and the entire attitude of the leader and the group, and its called push to talk, also you cannot avoid real life if you have an issue with that then maybe you should stop playing online games.
7. Oh yay elitism, I am fine getting my own food but its your attitude that is the problem, I will never join your group good day sir.

runagate · November 2016

I dunno, sneaky. Some people are complete idiots and we forget because IRL we simply wouldn't mix with them while they're licking rocks out behind the fence around the dog park and tying live beetles into their hair.

The last run I was on was 3 people I know and 1 pug healer. Low CP, didn't even think anything about it, really. Until someone noticed they didn't have a food buff. OK, so we offered them food.

They refused the food. Entirely. Would not eat it, "didn't need it." WTF? I guess you don't need weapons if you just want to dance and die in amongst mobs.

Suffice it to say that the tank and I basically duoed the boss of the vet dungeon.

Flowersquisher · November 2016

1mirg wrote: »

Ruben wrote: »

You're so wrong you don't even know why you're wrong.

I might be in the wrong for using only potions and spells, but I never had any issue with this method of playstyle throughout my entire time playing the game. If it works, don't fix it I'd say.

You do know they stack, right?

DragonBound · November 2016

runagate wrote: »

I dunno, sneaky. Some people are complete idiots and we forget because IRL we simply wouldn't mix with them while they're licking rocks out behind the fence around the dog park and tying live beetles into their hair.

The last run I was on was 3 people I know and 1 pug healer. Low CP, didn't even think anything about it, really. Until someone noticed they didn't have a food buff. OK, so we offered them food.

They refused the food. Entirely. Would not eat it, "didn't need it." WTF? I guess you don't need weapons if you just want to dance and die in amongst mobs.

Suffice it to say that the tank and I basically duoed the boss of the vet dungeon.

I know eating food is part of the standard of mmorpgs now but I am one of those people who cannot stand temporary buffs from food and potions I know it is weird but its a major annoyance in any rpg for me, I will do it of course but I find it extremly boring I prefer passive buffs that stick with me or from powers themselves.

Korah_Eaglecry · November 2016

nraner81 wrote: »

ITS NOT ALWAYS ABOUT CP!!!!! realize that and fix yourself, Things to fix:
1. KEEP UP! do not stop to loot every crate, this is a team thing not you running around farming.
2. stay out of the red/follow mechanics. you don't kno them? better have a mic then
3. have a mic!!!
4. have at least right gear on..... 2H are not used for healer..... SaB is not DPS..... yes game is play your way and feel free to do so. but put yourself on a team and your TEAM will not put up with dead weight....
5. kno the basics, dps revives if able etc....
6. be considerate in group chat, nobody wants to hear your ***king dog bark for the whole time, or your mom yelling at you as funny as it may be for a min.
7. bring your own food! the first thing you say is have food = kick

1st and only rule of PUGs... Dont expect it to run like youre running a dungeon with friends. It seems you have forgotten this OP.

Not everyone jumping into a PUG knows how the dungeon works, not everyone jumping in a PUG knows the general rules of running a dungeon. If you want a quick and swift run through, dont jump into a PUG. If you dont want players to "stand in stupid" dont run in a PUG. If you want to play with players that know to bring their own food. DONT JUMP INTO A PUG!

By the way, PSA for posting on the forums. At the very least capitalize the first words of your list and actually use proper punctuation and spelling.