Stamina and Magicka

PieMaster1 · November 2016

I have a question for stam class users. Why do you play as them? I see stam templars and DKs, even stam sorcerers running around swinging a 2h axe.

Isn't the whole point of playing a magicka based class to use, I don't know..magic? I always ask around for best PvP advice and whatnot, and everybody tells me to drop magic and go stamina. I mean why the hell would I literally waste nearly every ability in my class skill lines? Take a magDK for example. They actually use their abilities in combat..It just seems stupid to me that you only use abilities in weapon lines while throwing away class ones, save for 2 or 3 utilitarian skills.

Same for templar. It's a healing class for crying out loud, and in Cyro NO ONE was healing at all! I mean what the hell?

Why does every player seem to prefer stamina over them? Is there something fun about just being a magically impotent sorcerer or dragonknight who swings dual daggers or 2h? I am told it's for better "sustain" and burst, but I haven't seen a difference at all between my pool-scaled DPS with magic or stam. Or is it all just a bunch of stupid proc sets that benefits them more than me?

Probably the most important question here..If I were to switch to magicka, could I actually make it work and be good in player vs player combat? Is there some certain trick to using it? Believe me, I want to be able to use my magic abilities as a healer. I am a templar and DK on second toon, if i use magicka please tell me how I can make the most of it. Thanks.

Rev Rielle · November 2016

There are many ways to play a class, just not their traditionally perceived way. Honestly though, just do what you want. It's never a good idea to listen to any player that talks in absolutes, ESO is not that kind of game.

Whether you're a good player or not is ENTIRELY up to you, your build does not carry you in this game. It's what you do in combat that counts, not what your character walks into it wearing.

Alucardo · November 2016

Your name sounds very dirty. I like you.

Sigtric · November 2016

There's no such thing as a "magicka based class"

They are just classes, and they have both stamina and magicka options available to them.

PieMaster1 · November 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

Your name sounds very dirty. I like you.

Mmmm. I love some apple pie with whipped cream! Maybe a cherry on top, too.

jedtb16_ESO · November 2016

stamplar is fun to play.

but very busy compared to magplar.

PieMaster1 · November 2016

Sigtric wrote: »

There's no such thing as a "magicka based class"

They are just classes, and they have both stamina and magicka options available to them.

..But wouldn't it be ridiculous if you had a templar healer or a magic sorcerer that threw away their skills to use S&B?

PieMaster1 · November 2016

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

stamplar is fun to play.

but very busy compared to magplar.

So strictly talking PVP. Can I make magplar effective in combat? I don't want to be a sorcerer but would at least like to deal decent damage to others. Same goes for magic DK*

jedtb16_ESO · November 2016

CreamedPieYum wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

There's no such thing as a "magicka based class"

They are just classes, and they have both stamina and magicka options available to them.

..But wouldn't it be ridiculous if you had a templar healer or a magic sorcerer that threw away their skills to use S&B?

played a templar with sword and board right through the main quest and all silver and part of the gold....

then changed my mind about it and did something different.

Sigtric · November 2016

CreamedPieYum wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

There's no such thing as a "magicka based class"

They are just classes, and they have both stamina and magicka options available to them.

..But wouldn't it be ridiculous if you had a templar healer or a magic sorcerer that threw away their skills to use S&B?

Everyone is forced to make choices in this game. You can only have 12 total skills at your disposal during any given fight.

This means any class is going to be "throwing away" skills, simply because they can't slot them all.

Your Templar and Sorcerer both have class skills that work off of stamina available to them, wouldn't 'throwing them' away be ridiculous?

My sword and board stamina templar is a complete beast in dungeons and hardly takes any damage, so that his team mates can work on killing things while he takes the beating for them.

My Stamina sorc still melts trash mobs in the blink of an eye just like a mag sorc, but does it with axes and daggers instead of a wooden stick or a conjured crystal.

What is ridiculous is thinking everyone wants to play the way you think is appropriate.

Wollust · November 2016

CreamedPieYum wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

There's no such thing as a "magicka based class"

They are just classes, and they have both stamina and magicka options available to them.

..But wouldn't it be ridiculous if you had a templar healer or a magic sorcerer that threw away their skills to use S&B?

Not at all why? They aren't magicka then, they are stamina. A different playstye. That's it.
And stam sorc is incredibly strong due to its passives and good magicka utility abilities.

DRXHarbinger · November 2016

CreamedPieYum wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

stamplar is fun to play.

but very busy compared to magplar.

So strictly talking PVP. Can I make magplar effective in combat? I don't want to be a sorcerer but would at least like to deal decent damage to others. Same goes for magic DK*

Well yes. I often come across a very very successful Magplar emperor who slays zerg after zerg after zerg. And it's not earned via spamming heals, it's via seige and killing and capping. People just need to know how to play them. PvE mine solos anything soloable, pvp is stupid easy, javelin and jabs ftw and seriously who has the most powerful execute on the game by a very very long way?

Wollust · November 2016

CreamedPieYum wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

stamplar is fun to play.

but very busy compared to magplar.

So strictly talking PVP. Can I make magplar effective in combat? I don't want to be a sorcerer but would at least like to deal decent damage to others. Same goes for magic DK*

Magicka templar is pretty good in PvP, tho they tend to run sword and board and dual wield instead of sticks.

PieMaster1 · November 2016

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

CreamedPieYum wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

stamplar is fun to play.

but very busy compared to magplar.

So strictly talking PVP. Can I make magplar effective in combat? I don't want to be a sorcerer but would at least like to deal decent damage to others. Same goes for magic DK*

Well yes. I often come across a very very successful Magplar emperor who slays zerg after zerg after zerg. And it's not earned via spamming heals, it's via seige and killing and capping. People just need to know how to play them. PvE mine solos anything soloable, pvp is stupid easy, javelin and jabs ftw and seriously who has the most powerful execute on the game by a very very long way?

Thanks for the input

What about magic DK? Are they just as good but more of a tanky kind of class and can I do good damage? I hear that magic DK "sucks" and stamina knight rules pvp, I don't know whether or not they're correct.

PieMaster1 · November 2016

Wollust wrote: »

CreamedPieYum wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

stamplar is fun to play.

but very busy compared to magplar.

So strictly talking PVP. Can I make magplar effective in combat? I don't want to be a sorcerer but would at least like to deal decent damage to others. Same goes for magic DK*

Magicka templar is pretty good in PvP, tho they tend to run sword and board and dual wield instead of sticks.

So now I guess it comes down to magicka style templar or dk. Would dragonknights have just as good abilities to use in combat?

idk · November 2016

CreamedPieYum wrote: »

I have a question for stam class users. Why do you play as them? I see stam templars and DKs, even stam sorcerers running around swinging a 2h axe.

Isn't the whole point of playing a magicka based class to use, I don't know..magic?

No class is specifically magika based. Many important skills have a stamina morph. In some cases the stamina build for classes will outperform the magika based variant. Many buffs are cost magika which makes for a nice use of the small magika pool.

Mic1007 · November 2016

Stamina classes use Stamina class morphs, like Hurricane, Biting Jabs, Venomous Claw, Surprise Attack, Ambush, Power of the Light, Bound Armaments, Noxious Breath, etc.

They also use Magicka-based utilites such as Surge, Molten Weapons, Toppling Charge, Siphoning Strikes, etc.

Wollust · November 2016

CreamedPieYum wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

CreamedPieYum wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

stamplar is fun to play.

but very busy compared to magplar.

So strictly talking PVP. Can I make magplar effective in combat? I don't want to be a sorcerer but would at least like to deal decent damage to others. Same goes for magic DK*

Well yes. I often come across a very very successful Magplar emperor who slays zerg after zerg after zerg. And it's not earned via spamming heals, it's via seige and killing and capping. People just need to know how to play them. PvE mine solos anything soloable, pvp is stupid easy, javelin and jabs ftw and seriously who has the most powerful execute on the game by a very very long way?

Thanks for the input What about magic DK? Are they just as good but more of a tanky kind of class and can I do good damage? I hear that magic DK "sucks" and stamina knight rules pvp, I don't know whether or not they're correct.

Magicka DK used to be an extremely strong class. Got nerfed hard due to the l2p crowd and Wrobel.
It's a class that can be fun, but you need to earn every single kill by playing extremely good. And well, can be pretty frustrating to know that you could do most stuff easier on every other class.

PieMaster1 · November 2016

Wollust wrote: »

CreamedPieYum wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

CreamedPieYum wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

stamplar is fun to play.

but very busy compared to magplar.

So strictly talking PVP. Can I make magplar effective in combat? I don't want to be a sorcerer but would at least like to deal decent damage to others. Same goes for magic DK*

Well yes. I often come across a very very successful Magplar emperor who slays zerg after zerg after zerg. And it's not earned via spamming heals, it's via seige and killing and capping. People just need to know how to play them. PvE mine solos anything soloable, pvp is stupid easy, javelin and jabs ftw and seriously who has the most powerful execute on the game by a very very long way?

Thanks for the input What about magic DK? Are they just as good but more of a tanky kind of class and can I do good damage? I hear that magic DK "sucks" and stamina knight rules pvp, I don't know whether or not they're correct.

Magicka DK used to be an extremely strong class. Got nerfed hard due to the l2p crowd and Wrobel.
It's a class that can be fun, but you need to earn every single kill by playing extremely good. And well, can be pretty frustrating to know that you could do most stuff easier on every other class.

So are these nerfs going to happen to the current stamina trend and proc sets too? Or are things balanced now to where nothing will change? (I'm still a noob by a long shot)

DRXHarbinger · November 2016

CreamedPieYum wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

CreamedPieYum wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

stamplar is fun to play.

but very busy compared to magplar.

So strictly talking PVP. Can I make magplar effective in combat? I don't want to be a sorcerer but would at least like to deal decent damage to others. Same goes for magic DK*

Well yes. I often come across a very very successful Magplar emperor who slays zerg after zerg after zerg. And it's not earned via spamming heals, it's via seige and killing and capping. People just need to know how to play them. PvE mine solos anything soloable, pvp is stupid easy, javelin and jabs ftw and seriously who has the most powerful execute on the game by a very very long way?

Thanks for the input What about magic DK? Are they just as good but more of a tanky kind of class and can I do good damage? I hear that magic DK "sucks" and stamina knight rules pvp, I don't know whether or not they're correct.

Depends on you. DKs are more for trap and burn, such as put 3 dots on someone or several people, pop eye of the storm and talons then fossilize afterwards. They are awkward to play but very fun with you get the hang of it.

Templar you can just javelin people to the floor, jab jab jab and beam them to death. Or roll with a zerg and beam weak people for easy kills, I personally run dw willpower swords and not S&B and do quite well but I've been at it for a year solid with mine. Mrs. Harbinger will be emp soon. But they are absolutely shite and the same for DKs on sustain. I'm starting now to drop a little health and run the witch mother food for extra regen.

Speaking of magplar. Have you noticed the blazing shield build. Simply stack tons of health, put shield on and jump into a crowd and watch people kill themselves. It's easy.

Depends on what you want to play as. I don't care for tankiness. Resses are seconds away, there are no stats in this game and I'd rather kill kill kill die, repeat then spend 30 mins trying to kill one person or battling off 5 people for 2hrs just to die anyway.

Before you make any of them and grind them up just remember you'll be committed to it, pick a stam dk you need a stam race and vice versa. For instance I wouldn't make a dunmer dk and try and make it a stamina. You'll be feeding the evil crown store. So do your homework.

Wollust · November 2016

CreamedPieYum wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

CreamedPieYum wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

CreamedPieYum wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

stamplar is fun to play.

but very busy compared to magplar.

So strictly talking PVP. Can I make magplar effective in combat? I don't want to be a sorcerer but would at least like to deal decent damage to others. Same goes for magic DK*

Well yes. I often come across a very very successful Magplar emperor who slays zerg after zerg after zerg. And it's not earned via spamming heals, it's via seige and killing and capping. People just need to know how to play them. PvE mine solos anything soloable, pvp is stupid easy, javelin and jabs ftw and seriously who has the most powerful execute on the game by a very very long way?

Thanks for the input What about magic DK? Are they just as good but more of a tanky kind of class and can I do good damage? I hear that magic DK "sucks" and stamina knight rules pvp, I don't know whether or not they're correct.

Magicka DK used to be an extremely strong class. Got nerfed hard due to the l2p crowd and Wrobel.
It's a class that can be fun, but you need to earn every single kill by playing extremely good. And well, can be pretty frustrating to know that you could do most stuff easier on every other class.

So are these nerfs going to happen to the current stamina trend and proc sets too? Or are things balanced now to where nothing will change? (I'm still a noob by a long shot)

Personally, I don't think stamina itself is overpowered. It's more an issue of the gear available that is overpowered. And proc sets are most certainly in for a nerf with the next update because the single target proc sets are just incredibly strong and ridiculous tbh.
But you also have to consider the following: Stam is strong in 1v1 and probably stronger in 1vX, but magicka wins in group PvP any time of the day.

PieMaster1 · November 2016

Wollust wrote: »

CreamedPieYum wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

CreamedPieYum wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

CreamedPieYum wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

stamplar is fun to play.

but very busy compared to magplar.

So strictly talking PVP. Can I make magplar effective in combat? I don't want to be a sorcerer but would at least like to deal decent damage to others. Same goes for magic DK*

Well yes. I often come across a very very successful Magplar emperor who slays zerg after zerg after zerg. And it's not earned via spamming heals, it's via seige and killing and capping. People just need to know how to play them. PvE mine solos anything soloable, pvp is stupid easy, javelin and jabs ftw and seriously who has the most powerful execute on the game by a very very long way?

Thanks for the input What about magic DK? Are they just as good but more of a tanky kind of class and can I do good damage? I hear that magic DK "sucks" and stamina knight rules pvp, I don't know whether or not they're correct.

Magicka DK used to be an extremely strong class. Got nerfed hard due to the l2p crowd and Wrobel.
It's a class that can be fun, but you need to earn every single kill by playing extremely good. And well, can be pretty frustrating to know that you could do most stuff easier on every other class.

So are these nerfs going to happen to the current stamina trend and proc sets too? Or are things balanced now to where nothing will change? (I'm still a noob by a long shot)

Personally, I don't think stamina itself is overpowered. It's more an issue of the gear available that is overpowered. And proc sets are most certainly in for a nerf with the next update because the single target proc sets are just incredibly strong and ridiculous tbh.
But you also have to consider the following: Stam is strong in 1v1 and probably stronger in 1vX, but magicka wins in group PvP any time of the day.

I know i'm playing a healer but what makes it great in group pvp? Or is it because of the heals and buffs? Am I going to be on the front lines mass healing everyone or can I go off on my own? And can I beat a stam 1v1 if I constantly heal and whittle them down? lol