Extraordinarily unseen slippery Cipher scavange

Yolokin_Swagonborn · November 2016

Adding this item to the game also had other nasty side effects. It spiked prices of Ambrosia, Perfect Roe, and Ambrosia recipes due to price speculation and the odious people who don't actually enjoy this game as a fantasy MMO and just play it like an economy sim.

So the net effect of adding this item to the game is that ALL XP pots are more difficult to obtain. Which makes buying them from the clown store more attractive to some.

ZOS needs to realize what a gem they have in the actual game and the games content and invest in that - instead of getting into the XP selling business or the gambling business. If I wanted either of those, I'd play freemium mobile games.

This game wins when its the best game to quest, dungeon dive, fight and interact with other players in the most beautifully depicted fantasy backdrop in MMO history.

It fails when it tries to become anything other than that.

Woeler · November 2016

SickDuck wrote: »

lockator wrote: »

To be honest @Woeler said it all. They were introduced as a result of Zos accepting that every consumable in the crown store crates should be available in game.

Its sad that the drop rate is so stupidly low. But more, its scary, instead of Zos saying fair and removing them, they basically showed that they are willing to put OP (i know i know in reality the xp boost is useless bc of undaunted etc) items in the crown store and then make them available in the game

True, but this is not an OP item. It does not give anything you can't get otherwise. It just makes grinding somewhat faster.

Now for whatever reason people expect to get it immediately and have a permanent xp bonus. If not then it's the fault of ZOS' greed and P2W is upon us...

Also worth to mention there are already very rare items that can be bought in the Crown Store, like the glass motif book. Don't see how this would differ.

I know, I know. I'm also not complaining. In fact I don't even care if some stuff is crown crate only. I'm just pointing out the thought behind this process which is terribly obvious. Basically just explaining why they made this stuff so incredibly rare.

Verbalinkontinenz · November 2016

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

...and the odious people who don't actually enjoy this game as a fantasy MMO and just play it like an economy sim.

some other people "so not enjoy this game as a fantasy MMO, but only search for the peepee enlargement in progress raiding.

in the end its free to everyone, HOW he enjoys this MMO.

Loralai_907 · November 2016

Wonder how many will pop up now that the drop rate has been adjusted. I wish I knew what the drop rate was, and what it is now.

Ackwalan · November 2016

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just a heads up that we completed a hotfix today to address this - https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/304694/hotfix-11-22-16-aetheric-cipher-drop-rate-pc-mac-only

That just reeks of "whoops, we missed the line of code to put it on loot tables".

SublimeSparo · November 2016

I knew it! Lol i said yesterday i'm sure it's been truncated or rounded down to 0% drop chance, seems like i may have been correct

Synfaer · November 2016

Now I can add 'psychic' to my list of underwhelming achievements..

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3527844/#Comment_3527844

Woeler · November 2016

Verbalinkontinenz wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

...and the odious people who don't actually enjoy this game as a fantasy MMO and just play it like an economy sim.

some other people "so not enjoy this game as a fantasy MMO, but only search for the peepee enlargement in progress raiding.

in the end its free to everyone, HOW he enjoys this MMO.

Fair point with a dumb example.

Verbalinkontinenz · November 2016

Woeler wrote: »

Verbalinkontinenz wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

...and the odious people who don't actually enjoy this game as a fantasy MMO and just play it like an economy sim.

some other people "so not enjoy this game as a fantasy MMO, but only search for the peepee enlargement in progress raiding.

in the end its free to everyone, HOW he enjoys this MMO.

Fair point with a dumb example.

dont be too sensitive about how i wrote it. i answered to someone, who wrote in an insultive way about some players, i just used the phrase with the p.-enlagerment as rhetorical style, to show, that you could talk like that about many different groups of players.

Tan9oSuccka · November 2016

JD2013 wrote: »

I've been playing since beta and had no Daedric motif drops, or Ancient Elf, and never a Dwemer Helm motif piece.

Do these not exist either?

Really? That stinks.

I've gotten at least five Daedric motifs, 3 Imperial, and dozens of Ancient Elf.

Urns are usually pretty generous for Dwemer.

Ilsabet · November 2016

So has anyone seen any sign of a cipher drop since the hotfix?

JD2013 · November 2016

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

I've been playing since beta and had no Daedric motif drops, or Ancient Elf, and never a Dwemer Helm motif piece.

Do these not exist either?

Really? That stinks.

I've gotten at least five Daedric motifs, 3 Imperial, and dozens of Ancient Elf.

Urns are usually pretty generous for Dwemer.

It's weird as I have had 3 Imperial motifs and a huge amount of Kuta from nodes, and lots of Tempering Alloy too.

P3ZZL3 · November 2016

Would be good if someone can post in this thread once they've dropped one so we know of it's existence.

A Photo with signed authentication from Firor as well please

Stopnaggin · November 2016

Rate increase from what I wonder? I'm on console so we don't even have this yet, but I'd sure like to know what I'm in for.

I'm one of those players that bought ambrosia frags. Made some good gold so far, I guess that's a bad thing? I like playing the market, but it's not my sole purpose in the game, just another aspect I enjoy. When I heard about the new recipe I started buying frags and roe, I must be a horrible person to do such a thing. SMH

Twizelbang · November 2016

JD2013 wrote: »

I've been playing since beta and had no Daedric motif drops, or Ancient Elf, and never a Dwemer Helm motif piece.

Do these not exist either?

I found Daedric motif, at the time i didn't have the skill to even learn it. So it does drop, this was perhaps 4months ago or more. Good luck with finding what you need.

Nebthet78 · November 2016

No matter what the lower than low drop rate on the Ciphers are now, I've chosen not to bother finding one. By the time you take a new character, use psijic ambrosia on them and grind your heart out; You'll hit max level on that character long before you find one of them, so why bother?

I think it's just a shiny new distraction to keep up from other changes that are happening.
Example: The changes made to dungeon bosses and they areas they now MUST be fought in. You can no longer pull the Blackheart haven boss up the ramp to avoid the skeletons, otherwise he resets. You can no longer get the other guy up on a rock in City of Ash.

I mean, NPC enemies can run after you for an insane amount of time hitting you in the back as you run away before they reset, but we can't use the environment to help us defeat a boss. LAME.

P3ZZL3 · November 2016

A valid point. With Ambrosia I was hitting circa 5/5.5 levels an hour.

saf227_ESO · November 2016

Hey, ZOS, could we possibly get a little clarification on Cipher drops? The notes said it drops from monsters. I'm not sure if I'm being pedantic or not - but you said 'any monster' not 'any enemy'.
So they won't drop from human enemies in those zones (Cultists, reachmen, etc)? And is it ALL monsters - above ground & dungeon & bosses?
Just looking for clarification. Thanks!!

@ZOS_GinaBruno

DRXHarbinger · November 2016

This turned up yet? I've sold 12 whole ambrosia recipes on console in prep for this and made a fortune 350k each

, I don't want any disappointed customers ( and no, no refunds are given )

P3ZZL3 · November 2016

140k in PC EU right now for complete recipe.

Ilsabet · November 2016

saf227_ESO wrote: »

Hey, ZOS, could we possibly get a little clarification on Cipher drops? The notes said it drops from monsters. I'm not sure if I'm being pedantic or not - but you said 'any monster' not 'any enemy'.
So they won't drop from human enemies in those zones (Cultists, reachmen, etc)? And is it ALL monsters - above ground & dungeon & bosses?
Just looking for clarification. Thanks!!

@ZOS_GinaBruno

It's been previously clarified that "monsters" means anything that is naturally hostile to you (i.e. has a red outline before you attack it).

I don't think they've made an official statement on dungeon monsters vs. overland monsters.

altemriel · November 2016

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just a heads up that we completed a hotfix today to address this - https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/304694/hotfix-11-22-16-aetheric-cipher-drop-rate-pc-mac-only

Please can we have the drop rates

?

@ZOS_GinaBruno

altemriel · November 2016

SickDuck wrote: »

lockator wrote: »

To be honest @Woeler said it all. They were introduced as a result of Zos accepting that every consumable in the crown store crates should be available in game.

Its sad that the drop rate is so stupidly low. But more, its scary, instead of Zos saying fair and removing them, they basically showed that they are willing to put OP (i know i know in reality the xp boost is useless bc of undaunted etc) items in the crown store and then make them available in the game

True, but this is not an OP item. It does not give anything you can't get otherwise. It just makes grinding somewhat faster.

Now for whatever reason people expect to get it immediately and have a permanent xp bonus. If not then it's the fault of ZOS' greed and P2W is upon us...

Also worth to mention there are already very rare items that can be bought in the Crown Store, like the glass motif book. Don't see how this would differ.

well glass motif is just aestetically pleasing, but an xp scroll or potion is a time saver to leveling

saf227_ESO · November 2016

Ilsabet wrote: »

saf227_ESO wrote: »

Hey, ZOS, could we possibly get a little clarification on Cipher drops? The notes said it drops from monsters. I'm not sure if I'm being pedantic or not - but you said 'any monster' not 'any enemy'.
So they won't drop from human enemies in those zones (Cultists, reachmen, etc)? And is it ALL monsters - above ground & dungeon & bosses?
Just looking for clarification. Thanks!!

@ZOS_GinaBruno

It's been previously clarified that "monsters" means anything that is naturally hostile to you (i.e. has a red outline before you attack it).

I don't think they've made an official statement on dungeon monsters vs. overland monsters.

I must have missed the clarification on "monsters". I looked for it & didn't find it. Thanks!