It has to stay to prevent even more and in my opinion more serious transgressions.

It needs to be tweaked though;

There needs to be an option in the menu system for not joining instances already in progress.

There needs to be an excused option so you can leave after entering, joining, or after realizing this is not the group for you.

The excused feature should be a vote system and if your excused you get a 5 min penalty, and if you get stuck with a salty group that votes no on you leaving you can leave the instance on your won with no penalty.

When the dungeon que pops you get an option to leave the group (with no penalty) and you should be allowed to leave with no penalty before before the first boss with no penalty. After the boss you have to start a vote to excuse your self.

If you are kicked for any reason at any time you suffer no penalty.

You should not be allowed to disband a group using the group finder until someone leaves and is replaced by invite using group finder prohibits disbanding but not a vote to excuse or leaveing on your own.

There may be a few other tweaks but that should cover most people.

As much as people don't like this feature it serves a very important purpose. ZOS wants you to have enough incentive to finish a dungeon with a group instead of just leaving on in progress instances (fixed with a menu feature above), wants people not to kick PUGS or group finder people at the last boss or other junctures for friends that were not available earlier, and wants disbanding trolls to sit in timeout too.

Just fix it and I'll be happy to be honest in should have been hotfixed three months ago.

psxfloh wrote: »

acw37162 wrote: »

ZOS wants you to have enough incentive to finish a dungeon with a group instead of just leaving on in progress instances

Nope, otherwise you would get the CD no matter at what point you leave. But you get the CD as soon as the group is formed, not as soon as you leave.

acw37162 wrote: »

wants people not to kick PUGS or group finder people at the last boss or other junctures for friends that were not available earlier, and wants disbanding trolls to sit in timeout too.

That is in no way covered by the CD as it is implemented now. The remaining members get no penalty whatsoever..

imho the CD should only be there to prevent "queue hopping" (i.e. you queue for "random dungeon", get put in a group for a dungeon you don't want to do (too hard, no undaunted pledge, no monster helm you want, whatever), you leave, you queue again immediately)
To prevent this, a simple 5min CD, starting as soon as you, by your own decision, leave the group (not when it is formed or you're kicked), would have done the job.

I'd really like to know what imbeciles were involved in the decision making for the dungeon finder penalty..and what "problems" they tried to solve by the current system.

Arguing with people who share your view, excellent.

"prevent que hoping" translated;

Provide enough penalty in their opinion 15 min, to give players incentive to either work an instance/group or complete an already in progress event. Which you said "nope" to only to state the same facts in a different way;

Yonder across the way tree stump of stubbornness waiting for you to come argue with it. SPOLIER ALERT The stump has never lost but go wear yourself out anyway.

Agree, NO cool down if you are kicked before you even travel to the dungeon. its dumb.

Kick needs to happen for absent or troll players but elites booting low CP people, WRONG.