When is the 2h weap counting as 2bonus update coming
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Rataroto✭✭✭✭what? it already gives a full trait. Dual wielded weapons only give 50% of the trait.1 -
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✭✭✭Its not confirmed this is happening... but my guess is at the exact same moment its drop rate is halved and its tempers cost is doubled..Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
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AzuraKin✭✭✭✭✭as much fun as it would be to have 5 5 2 set bonus' with 2nds (may actually like using a destro staff then) i doubt zos will ever do that as people have asked for over 2 years.v160 spellsword (nightblade)
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Paneross✭✭✭✭✭I thought it was confirmed it was coming soon.
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✭✭✭✭✭It shouldn't happen tbh. The only real good thing about the vMA and vDSA 2h weapons is the 1pc weapon damage bonus you get with it. Being able to wear 2 5pc sets AND an undaunted set will make them pretty much useless. Personally I'd stop farming the arenas and just use another 5pc set if it ever happened.4 -
Paneross✭✭✭✭✭It shouldn't happen tbh. The only real good thing about the vMA and vDSA 2h weapons is the 1pc weapon damage bonus you get with it. Being able to wear 2 5pc sets AND an undaunted set will make them pretty much useless. Personally I'd stop farming the arenas and just use another 5pc set if it ever happened.
Why am I FORCED to D/W to be able to run 2 fullsets with a monster set?6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It shouldn't happen tbh. The only real good thing about the vMA and vDSA 2h weapons is the 1pc weapon damage bonus you get with it. Being able to wear 2 5pc sets AND an undaunted set will make them pretty much useless. Personally I'd stop farming the arenas and just use another 5pc set if it ever happened.
Why am I FORCED to D/W to be able to run 2 fullsets with a monster set?
Not not really, you have have a proc set on your back bar.
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Paneross✭✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »
2 lich swords counts as a (2item bonus) 1 lich staff counts as a 11 -
Paneross✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »It shouldn't happen tbh. The only real good thing about the vMA and vDSA 2h weapons is the 1pc weapon damage bonus you get with it. Being able to wear 2 5pc sets AND an undaunted set will make them pretty much useless. Personally I'd stop farming the arenas and just use another 5pc set if it ever happened.
Why am I FORCED to D/W to be able to run 2 fullsets with a monster set?
Not not really, you have have a proc set on your back bar.
Can't do that with all builds.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It shouldn't happen tbh. The only real good thing about the vMA and vDSA 2h weapons is the 1pc weapon damage bonus you get with it. Being able to wear 2 5pc sets AND an undaunted set will make them pretty much useless. Personally I'd stop farming the arenas and just use another 5pc set if it ever happened.
That's a good thing - because then there would be less of an incentive for players to torture themselves doing VMA - which is the most miserable content in this game.
If two-handed builds offered some kind of an innate advantage over one-handed builds I could see why this might be necessary. But as far as I can tell, there really isn't any.Edited by Jeremy on November 23, 2016 5:23AM3 -
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✭✭There are a couple sets you can use that will allow you to use 2 5 piece sets and a monster set even with a 2 handed weapon. Clever Alchemist or Armour Master back buff bar.
This idea is just a cry for what you dont have when you can work around it. Having this extra set bonus is what makes duel wield and s+b unique, take that away and you make the game even more linear and boring.
I completely disagree with this idea and i have every time its been posted.
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✭✭✭✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »There are a couple sets you can use that will allow you to use 2 5 piece sets and a monster set even with a 2 handed weapon. Clever Alchemist or Armour Master back buff bar.
This idea is just a cry for what you dont have when you can work around it. Having this extra set bonus is what makes duel wield and s+b unique, take that away and you make the game even more linear and boring.
I completely disagree with this idea and i have every time its been posted.
This change would add to build diversity - and allow players to combine and use more and different sets then would otherwise be the case.
So if anything - this would make the game less linear and less boring. It would certainly give my character more options - and make him more interesting to play.Edited by Jeremy on November 23, 2016 5:27AM6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »It shouldn't happen tbh. The only real good thing about the vMA and vDSA 2h weapons is the 1pc weapon damage bonus you get with it. Being able to wear 2 5pc sets AND an undaunted set will make them pretty much useless. Personally I'd stop farming the arenas and just use another 5pc set if it ever happened.
Why am I FORCED to D/W to be able to run 2 fullsets with a monster set?
Not not really, you have have a proc set on your back bar.
Can't do that with all builds.
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GreenSoup2HoT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »There are a couple sets you can use that will allow you to use 2 5 piece sets and a monster set even with a 2 handed weapon. Clever Alchemist or Armour Master back buff bar.
This idea is just a cry for what you dont have when you can work around it. Having this extra set bonus is what makes duel wield and s+b unique, take that away and you make the game even more linear and boring.
I completely disagree with this idea and i have every time its been posted.
This change would add to build diversity - and allow players to combine and use more and different sets then would otherwise be the case.
So if anything - this would make the game less linear and less boring. It would certainly give my character more options - and make him more interesting to play.
This does not create diversity. It steals it from Dw and S+B because 2h/bow setups cant have it while only classed as a 1 set bonus. All this would do is make DW and S+B even less appealing.
2H and Bow have monster maelstrom enchants for pvp. You cant complain about those, they are basically 5 piece bonuses themselfs.
Also 2h bow has the best passives and most well rounded snergy when in pvp. It has 2 executes, speed, melee, range, burst and sustained damage.
When you DW or S+B you sacrifice range for that set bonus. You also sacrifice either Rally or Poison Inj to run either (depending if you slot a 2h or bow with it). Theres a lot that 2h/bow gets that you sacrifice to run either dw or s+b.
Giving 2h/bow the extra item slot would increase build diversity for that particular setup yes but it would also homogenize all players to use 2h/bow over dw or s+b.
2h/bow is already very good and giving them this kind of diversity would only harm the balance of the other weapon skill lines.
You already have the ability to slot armour master or clever alchemist which are very good in pvp. Sure its not 100% customization but its good enough considering how powerful 2h/bow already is.
From a magicka point of view, there would be no point duel wielding anymore. Which means all magicka users will use staffs instead. Only S+B would be used for the block reduction. (If you give staffs the same treatment).
2h/bow is already in a fantastic spot, we dont need to push them over the edge. Thats what im getting at.
From a pve point of view i understand. It would be nice if 2h could compete with dw... however for pvp it would ruin the only balanced aspect of the game we have. There are drawbacks for picking up dw/s+b, that extra set bonus makes up for them.
Edited by GreenSoup2HoT on November 23, 2016 6:55AMPS4 NA DC9 -
Acrolas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Set bonuses are based on quantity. Four is not five. It's really that simple.
It might be more of an issue if you could only equip one weapon. But you get two bars.
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Why am I FORCED to D/W to be able to run 2 fullsets with a monster set?
ZOS should actually start to prohibit the use of TWO 5pc-sets together. Only the first full set you equip should count for the last bonus."Call me a killjoy, but I think that because this is not to my taste, no one else should be able to enjoy it." Marge Simpson1 -
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✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »There are a couple sets you can use that will allow you to use 2 5 piece sets and a monster set even with a 2 handed weapon. Clever Alchemist or Armour Master back buff bar.
This idea is just a cry for what you dont have when you can work around it. Having this extra set bonus is what makes duel wield and s+b unique, take that away and you make the game even more linear and boring.
I completely disagree with this idea and i have every time its been posted.
This change would add to build diversity - and allow players to combine and use more and different sets then would otherwise be the case.
So if anything - this would make the game less linear and less boring. It would certainly give my character more options - and make him more interesting to play.
This does not create diversity. It steals it from Dw and S+B because 2h/bow setups cant have it while only classed as a 1 set bonus. All this would do is make DW and S+B even less appealing.
2H and Bow have monster maelstrom enchants for pvp. You cant complain about those, they are basically 5 piece bonuses themselfs.
Also 2h bow has the best passives and most well rounded snergy when in pvp. It has 2 executes, speed, melee, range, burst and sustained damage.
When you DW or S+B you sacrifice range for that set bonus. You also sacrifice either Rally or Poison Inj to run either (depending if you slot a 2h or bow with it). Theres a lot that 2h/bow gets that you sacrifice to run either dw or s+b.
Giving 2h/bow the extra item slot would increase build diversity for that particular setup yes but it would also homogenize all players to use 2h/bow over dw or s+b.
2h/bow is already very good and giving them this kind of diversity would only harm the balance of the other weapon skill lines.
You already have the ability to slot armour master or clever alchemist which are very good in pvp. Sure its not 100% customization but its good enough considering how powerful 2h/bow already is.
From a magicka point of view, there would be no point duel wielding anymore. Which means all magicka users will use staffs instead. Only S+B would be used for the block reduction. (If you give staffs the same treatment).
2h/bow is already in a fantastic spot, we dont need to push them over the edge. Thats what im getting at.
From a pve point of view i understand. It would be nice if 2h could compete with dw... however for pvp it would ruin the only balanced aspect of the game we have. There are drawbacks for picking up dw/s+b, that extra set bonus makes up for them.
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✭✭✭It shouldn't happen tbh. The only real good thing about the vMA and vDSA 2h weapons is the 1pc weapon damage bonus you get with it. Being able to wear 2 5pc sets AND an undaunted set will make them pretty much useless. Personally I'd stop farming the arenas and just use another 5pc set if it ever happened.
That's a good thing - because then there would be less of an incentive for players to torture themselves doing VMA - which is the most miserable content in this game.
If two-handed builds offered some kind of an innate advantage over one-handed builds I could see why this might be necessary. But as far as I can tell, there really isn't any.
Innate advantage?
Like it taking 8 tempers to gold one 2h greatsword vs 16 for two swords?
Like it taking half the grind time to find one sharpened greatsword of the DOITNOW SET vs two sharpened swords?
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✭✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »
I'm talking about the bonus
@Paneross you said trait originally. While I see you did an edit on the title since, my response was based on your original wording.
And Zos has no plans to give 2H weapons double set bonus. It's not required for balance.0 -
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✭✭✭✭I understand what @Paneross ment in OP, but I don't think Zos will ever do such thing. It might be unfair to all ppl who use 2h weapons, bows and staves, but imagine how overpowered would some builds get if, for example, destro staff would count as 2 pieces of set.
Middle solution might be not that bad. Just give somewhat reduced 5th set piece passive to 2h weapons, where it is possible.
Like, if normal 5 pc viper set gives you 6800 damage when it proc, 3pc + 2h could give you 3400 damage on proc.
For flat stat and % sets this would not be the case, so you would have to wear such sets in full 5 pc to have benefit.0
