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Let's Talk RNG, Bruh... From Champ to ZOS.
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »I like the beginning of the conversation above. RNG is only defending by those who do nothing else but play the game. When playing the game what else is there? Rhetorical question.
My guess is the serious rage posts about RNG is those who don't won't to play the game as much yet want the gear execute perfect. Humm.
People has talked about tokens yet they want the tokens system to be easy.
Want a vMA weapon, 100 tokens at 1 token per sub. Want a token for a piece of trial gear. 1 token drops per boss and the group rolls on it. 12 runs and you'll have 4 pieces of gear if you will the rolls and it would be in the traits you want.
Don't like that, then enjoy the RNG as it is. Now for those that say that's to much.
@Giles.floydub17_ESO See, while you and I have our disagreements on things. If I'm reading what you're saying correctly, then I agreee with you. I think something like a token system would be wonderful. As I said in my initial post, I have no issues with working toward something. And actually having to put effort in to get something of worthwhile out. I'm perfectly fine with this. However, I have a problem when you can put in tons of work and get little to nothing out of it.
Case and point VMA. I've put in my fair share of tons of runs as the next VMA grinder, and honestly? It isn't even that hard for what it's worth. It's the uncontrollable elements (e.g. lag) that make it challenging. The things that are completely out of our control that makes VMA such bs. And when you're completing something like VMA 100+ times and still not getting what you seek, I find a major problem with that. I have a huge problem with that. 1,000+ runs and people still don't have what they're after? That's ridiculous, and the game developers should be ashamed of themselves. Absolutely ashamed. And those people should be fired and replaced ASAP.
It's 1 thing to work toward something, and have to 'earn' it. But, it's entirely something else when you have to slave at something for months and still not get what you're after. All because 'luck' is stopping you in your tracks. That's horrible.
I know from your previous posts you'd agree.
But others would not. They'd complain they have to do 100 vMA runs to get one PERFECT weapon. Others would complain they went through a trial and didn't even get a worthless piece of gear to decon let akin a token to get something good.
It's a double edged sword for Zos to change consider a change. They will get these threads one way or another. Zos listens, just sometimes sees things differently and other times the result is a change that pans out a little differently than imagined.0 -
N2woR✭✭✭15 days (3 to 4 hours a day) grinding for a RM dagger sharpened, at this point in time I'll settle for any trait. Haven't had a single RM dagger drop, it's been hard to keep motivated and in truth hard to keep coming back to ESO. I haven't started farming any other set proply yet, don't think I'll bother for anything outside of dungeons.
This being said, I accept the rng grind and see it as part of ESO. Like PvP I don't expect this to change so it's a case of getting on with it til something new comes my way[PS4]
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✭@Ch4mpTW
I have resisted for months posting on a thread you have started but seriously enough is enough. Stop with the bruh, it doesnt make anyone remotely sympathetic to your arguments etc, it just makes you seem obnoxious.
Stop making hundreds of threads, occasionally you make a good point but you have been drowning the forums with the same qq threads for months.
This game is not going to change drastically any time soon, people still enjoy it. I agree with the rng but you are not helping in anyway.
/rantover
TL;DR. But seriously...? Thank you for not really contributing to the topic at hand, and feeling the need to say something publicly that could've been messaged to me. But clearly, you wanted a scene. You wanted a reaction, and you wanted to seem super bold in doing so. You wanted to appear like a Big Willy on the block. So in turn, hopefully you'll get the agreed and awesomes you're reaching for in coming at me so aggressively. Lol. I hope you get at least 50 of each, and your cyber-rep is boosted for it. Here is a gif of Martin S. for your rant about how I truly feel in response to your response.
First: That person did post something constructive about your use of the forums. You just refuse to acknowledge it.
Second: You think you're going to garner any respect by replying with a gif of one of the most vile people in the world? Really?!? I would be happy to receive a disapproving look from scum like Martin Shkreli.
Pick your battles, "bruh." Pick your battles.
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Volrion✭✭✭✭A long thread filled with complaints. At least propose a solution, or at least an original one.[Retired from ESO]
That is a lie. You just keep coming back.
@Smepic Tons of solutions have been presented before them, and they've constantly been ignored.
Also false. I am retired. Haven't been on ESO in days. Days. And even when I did play prior to quitting officially, I played for no longer than maybe a hour and a half per sitting. And that's for PvE, as I haven't set foot in Cyrodiil in MONTHS. Yes months. I refuse to be bothered with anything remotely serious to PvP. I got my duelist title on my main on the first day dueling came out from playing with guildies, and then called it a wrap with all my PvP'ing.
It's incredibly rude to call someone a liar, and not have the facts to back what you say. Just because I post on the forums, does not mean am active within the game. Instead of defending the busted system ZOS has in place, why not try to see things for what they really are?
Semi-retired, if you retired from a job would you still call your former co workers to see how works going?
If you care about the company/people in it, yes you would.
When my grandpa retired in his early 70s he'd drop down to his old work with some beers for the boys perhaps once a month on a Friday night.
He was very passionate about his craft, and was very proud of his guys.
I'm not as vocal or passionate as Champ, but stopped playing for about 9 months last year. Didn't log in at all during that time, but I would occasionally lurk the forums to see what was happening. Occasionally I'd post to try and manipulate the game into a direction I thought was best for myself and the community. I did the same with Destiny when I grew tired of their game.
(I ended up returning for Dark Brotherhood, and have hung around since. Still haven't played Destiny though)1 -
Mic1007✭✭✭✭✭
✭Looks like the OP ragequit the forums. That's funny and sad all rolled into one.
With people like you derailing every thread he makes - for a game he loves and wants to see thrive just as much as any of us - I can hardly blame him if he did in fact abandon the forums.Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »I like the beginning of the conversation above. RNG is only defending by those who do nothing else but play the game. When playing the game what else is there? Rhetorical question.
My guess is the serious rage posts about RNG is those who don't won't to play the game as much yet want the gear execute perfect. Humm.
People has talked about tokens yet they want the tokens system to be easy.
Want a vMA weapon, 100 tokens at 1 token per sub. Want a token for a piece of trial gear. 1 token drops per boss and the group rolls on it. 12 runs and you'll have 4 pieces of gear if you will the rolls and it would be in the traits you want.
Don't like that, then enjoy the RNG as it is. Now for those that say that's to much.
@Giles.floydub17_ESO See, while you and I have our disagreements on things. If I'm reading what you're saying correctly, then I agreee with you. I think something like a token system would be wonderful. As I said in my initial post, I have no issues with working toward something. And actually having to put effort in to get something of worthwhile out. I'm perfectly fine with this. However, I have a problem when you can put in tons of work and get little to nothing out of it.
Case and point VMA. I've put in my fair share of tons of runs as the next VMA grinder, and honestly? It isn't even that hard for what it's worth. It's the uncontrollable elements (e.g. lag) that make it challenging. The things that are completely out of our control that makes VMA such bs. And when you're completing something like VMA 100+ times and still not getting what you seek, I find a major problem with that. I have a huge problem with that. 1,000+ runs and people still don't have what they're after? That's ridiculous, and the game developers should be ashamed of themselves. Absolutely ashamed. And those people should be fired and replaced ASAP.
It's 1 thing to work toward something, and have to 'earn' it. But, it's entirely something else when you have to slave at something for months and still not get what you're after. All because 'luck' is stopping you in your tracks. That's horrible.
I know from your previous posts you'd agree.
But others would not. They'd complain they have to do 100 vMA runs to get one PERFECT weapon. Others would complain they went through a trial and didn't even get a worthless piece of gear to decon let akin a token to get something good.
It's a double edged sword for Zos to change consider a change. They will get these threads one way or another. Zos listens, just sometimes sees things differently and other times the result is a change that pans out a little differently than imagined.
It shouldn't need to even be 100 runs. Maybe 50, tops. By then, Maelstrom is already a faceroll, only becoming a challenge on laggy days.@Mic1007
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Did you read what I said? Cause if you think I derailed the thread you're mistaken. I offered advice on how to have a more approachable message.
Oh, and an OP that responds to anything that isn't complete agreement, with *** and vinegar. Doesn't exactly help to keep the locomotive on the rails in the first place.0 -
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✭✭I wouldn't mind it so much if it was truly RNG for the drops, but it's not. You can't tell me that after running dungeons day after day, getting mainly junk traits EXCEPT Divines that it's not a weighted system. I have to be the most prosperous or untrained person in the world considering the amount of armor I get with those traits
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✭✭✭✭✭Looks like the OP ragequit the forums. That's funny and sad all rolled into one.
With people like you derailing every thread he makes - for a game he loves and wants to see thrive just as much as any of us - I can hardly blame him if he did in fact abandon the forums.Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »I like the beginning of the conversation above. RNG is only defending by those who do nothing else but play the game. When playing the game what else is there? Rhetorical question.
My guess is the serious rage posts about RNG is those who don't won't to play the game as much yet want the gear execute perfect. Humm.
People has talked about tokens yet they want the tokens system to be easy.
Want a vMA weapon, 100 tokens at 1 token per sub. Want a token for a piece of trial gear. 1 token drops per boss and the group rolls on it. 12 runs and you'll have 4 pieces of gear if you will the rolls and it would be in the traits you want.
Don't like that, then enjoy the RNG as it is. Now for those that say that's to much.
@Giles.floydub17_ESO See, while you and I have our disagreements on things. If I'm reading what you're saying correctly, then I agreee with you. I think something like a token system would be wonderful. As I said in my initial post, I have no issues with working toward something. And actually having to put effort in to get something of worthwhile out. I'm perfectly fine with this. However, I have a problem when you can put in tons of work and get little to nothing out of it.
Case and point VMA. I've put in my fair share of tons of runs as the next VMA grinder, and honestly? It isn't even that hard for what it's worth. It's the uncontrollable elements (e.g. lag) that make it challenging. The things that are completely out of our control that makes VMA such bs. And when you're completing something like VMA 100+ times and still not getting what you seek, I find a major problem with that. I have a huge problem with that. 1,000+ runs and people still don't have what they're after? That's ridiculous, and the game developers should be ashamed of themselves. Absolutely ashamed. And those people should be fired and replaced ASAP.
It's 1 thing to work toward something, and have to 'earn' it. But, it's entirely something else when you have to slave at something for months and still not get what you're after. All because 'luck' is stopping you in your tracks. That's horrible.
I know from your previous posts you'd agree.
But others would not. They'd complain they have to do 100 vMA runs to get one PERFECT weapon. Others would complain they went through a trial and didn't even get a worthless piece of gear to decon let akin a token to get something good.
It's a double edged sword for Zos to change consider a change. They will get these threads one way or another. Zos listens, just sometimes sees things differently and other times the result is a change that pans out a little differently than imagined.
It shouldn't need to even be 100 runs. Maybe 50, tops. By then, Maelstrom is already a faceroll, only becoming a challenge on laggy days.
@Mic1007
Why. Give a solid reason why 50 v'MA runs other than just wanting it easier. 100 is certainly a justified number as it is close to the odds of getting what one wants.
Why will Zos not go to tokens, because people will never be happy. 100 tokens, they will want it to be 50. 50 tokens people will cry for it to be 25. It goes on.0 -
Mic1007✭✭✭✭✭
✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Looks like the OP ragequit the forums. That's funny and sad all rolled into one.
With people like you derailing every thread he makes - for a game he loves and wants to see thrive just as much as any of us - I can hardly blame him if he did in fact abandon the forums.Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »I like the beginning of the conversation above. RNG is only defending by those who do nothing else but play the game. When playing the game what else is there? Rhetorical question.
My guess is the serious rage posts about RNG is those who don't won't to play the game as much yet want the gear execute perfect. Humm.
People has talked about tokens yet they want the tokens system to be easy.
Want a vMA weapon, 100 tokens at 1 token per sub. Want a token for a piece of trial gear. 1 token drops per boss and the group rolls on it. 12 runs and you'll have 4 pieces of gear if you will the rolls and it would be in the traits you want.
Don't like that, then enjoy the RNG as it is. Now for those that say that's to much.
@Giles.floydub17_ESO See, while you and I have our disagreements on things. If I'm reading what you're saying correctly, then I agreee with you. I think something like a token system would be wonderful. As I said in my initial post, I have no issues with working toward something. And actually having to put effort in to get something of worthwhile out. I'm perfectly fine with this. However, I have a problem when you can put in tons of work and get little to nothing out of it.
Case and point VMA. I've put in my fair share of tons of runs as the next VMA grinder, and honestly? It isn't even that hard for what it's worth. It's the uncontrollable elements (e.g. lag) that make it challenging. The things that are completely out of our control that makes VMA such bs. And when you're completing something like VMA 100+ times and still not getting what you seek, I find a major problem with that. I have a huge problem with that. 1,000+ runs and people still don't have what they're after? That's ridiculous, and the game developers should be ashamed of themselves. Absolutely ashamed. And those people should be fired and replaced ASAP.
It's 1 thing to work toward something, and have to 'earn' it. But, it's entirely something else when you have to slave at something for months and still not get what you're after. All because 'luck' is stopping you in your tracks. That's horrible.
I know from your previous posts you'd agree.
But others would not. They'd complain they have to do 100 vMA runs to get one PERFECT weapon. Others would complain they went through a trial and didn't even get a worthless piece of gear to decon let akin a token to get something good.
It's a double edged sword for Zos to change consider a change. They will get these threads one way or another. Zos listens, just sometimes sees things differently and other times the result is a change that pans out a little differently than imagined.
It shouldn't need to even be 100 runs. Maybe 50, tops. By then, Maelstrom is already a faceroll, only becoming a challenge on laggy days.
@Mic1007
Why. Give a solid reason why 50 v'MA runs other than just wanting it easier. 100 is certainly a justified number as it is close to the odds of getting what one wants.
Why will Zos not go to tokens, because people will never be happy. 100 tokens, they will want it to be 50. 50 tokens people will cry for it to be 25. It goes on.
Because by 50 runs, it is no longer a barrier of difficulty, but one of solely RNG. The player by this point has already memorized the spawn points and already works on muscle memory; there is no more challenge in vMA for that player. 25 runs, things can still surprise you every now and then.@Mic1007
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TrueGreenSmoker✭✭✭Yesterday ran 10 dungeons to help my friend get his last bone pirate piece (shoes imp) it sure dropped shoes all traits but no Imp lol why is it always when you need a piece with the trait you want it never drops and when you don't need it it drops? LOL
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✭TrueGreenSmoker wrote: »Yesterday ran 10 dungeons to help my friend get his last bone pirate piece (shoes imp) it sure dropped shoes all traits but no Imp lol why is it always when you need a piece with the trait you want it never drops and when you don't need it it drops? LOL
I might as well become a PvP gear vendor with all the Impen I've gotten. And I hate PvP.Edited by Mic1007 on November 22, 2016 5:57PM@Mic1007
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reiverx✭✭✭✭✭I really liked the way Diablo 3 handled loot. But the PS4 version is so full of modded weapons it's pointless.0 -
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✭✭SlayerTheDragon wrote: »@Ch4mpTW you cannot even begin to compare ZOS to Blizzard.
But, yes you are correct. I have also been playing a lot of D3 until this weekend when there was a free weekend on Overwatch. At around midway through my first match I realised two things:
1. Blizzard are master game builders (and I have been wasting so much time elsewhere)
2. No PVP encounter will ever compare to what I just experienced.
Come payday I will be moving over to OW fulltime. No leveling, no gear, no grinding - just skill.
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TrueGreenSmoker✭✭✭TrueGreenSmoker wrote: »Yesterday ran 10 dungeons to help my friend get his last bone pirate piece (shoes imp) it sure dropped shoes all traits but no Imp lol why is it always when you need a piece with the trait you want it never drops and when you don't need it it drops? LOL
I might as well become a PvP gear vendor with all the Impen I've gotten. And I hate PvP.
Guess we don't have that RnG can you pass some around lol
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✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Why will Zos not go to tokens, because people will never be happy. 100 tokens, they will want it to be 50. 50 tokens people will cry for it to be 25. It goes on.
You are comparing two different things. Adding Tokens is the implementation of a system. Player preference is not a part of that system. There is nothing about a token system that necessitates it be a slippery slope that adheres to the front edge of the most extreme player preference.Edited by Armitas on November 22, 2016 7:56PMRetired.
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✭TrueGreenSmoker wrote: »TrueGreenSmoker wrote: »Yesterday ran 10 dungeons to help my friend get his last bone pirate piece (shoes imp) it sure dropped shoes all traits but no Imp lol why is it always when you need a piece with the trait you want it never drops and when you don't need it it drops? LOL
I might as well become a PvP gear vendor with all the Impen I've gotten. And I hate PvP.
Guess we don't have that RnG can you pass some around lol
If you don't mind trading it for Divines, I'm game.
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SaibotLiu✭✭✭✭What amazes me most about OP is he links to his own thread and a little poll he did here and the complaints on the forums as his evidence for how this is a bad system. ZOS has access to all the numbers and figures you could ever want on this game, why would you consider your own very selective and circumstantial info to be at all comprehensive? You cant be naive enough to believe you know what is best for the game. You have ideas (we all do) but ZOS apparently got you hooked on this game and you've ran the content a bunch of times. It sounds like you've already told them everything they need to hear, non?0 -
Naughty_Ryder✭✭✭Who is Champ? Who are you? Forget it, I don't care. I lost interest half way through the first sentence...
Edited by Naughty_Ryder on November 22, 2016 9:28PMFairies are invisible and inaudible like angels. But their magic sparkles in nature.
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Duckbutta✭✭✭Dissapointed to see that putting you on ignore doesn't also remove your posts from my feed.
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✭The RNG for loot is atrocious in this game. And the grind saps ones will to play. Case in point:: I just spent the last 5 hours of my life camping one dolmen trying to get purple jewelry for a set I want to try out in PVP. After all that time and several dozen rings and necklaces later, I got exactly 0 purple jewelry for all my effort.
There is zero challenge or enjoyment in clearing out dolmens - I can solo them without food buffs on and wearing broken gear. And there is almost always at least three or four other players around, so the mobs drop like flies. It's dull and uninteresting way to spend ones evenings after work. The only way I can make this stupid grind somewhat bearable is by multitasking - I was actually fiddling with my Skyrim build and working out stuff with Tes5Edit while camping the dolmen, stopping that whenever the dolmen activated.
Couple of days ago I did a similar grind session for the same bloody jewelry. But that time I was going though all the dolmens on the map. With optimal riding routes, way shrine hopping, and using rapid maneuvers, it's possible to reach the next dolmen to activate after clearing one in time to get share of the spoils. Did that for few hours and got like 40 or so jewelry of which one was purple and in a crappy set not even worth the repair cost of my armor. Next day did not even care to log in.
And considering my mood after today's session... Don't think I will log on 'till Friday. Hopefully the Golden merchant will be selling golden rings for the set I am after. And in fact I am fairly close to just scrapping the idea for the build I need the jewelry for, since not too happy to drop the 100k or so I would need to spend to buy them from guild traders. I got a decent set of gear at the moment, all legendary and with good traits. The marginal improvement I might get with the new build I was hoping to test, simply is not worth the aggravation one has to go though to get all the required pieces. Besides... for that build to work, I'd have to upgrade two swords to gold and only got 4 tempers. So that means many long hours of grinding for 12 more gold tempers or splurging something like 140k gold to buy them. And what if the build is not as good as it seems to be on paper? What if after all that grind and effort the end result would be to go back using my previous gear set?
The monumental grind required to get anything done in this game makes one think really hard whether to bother with ir at all or not. And I have skipped a lot o stuff in the game simply because the grind involved is so ridiculous.1 -
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