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Let's Talk RNG, Bruh... From Champ to ZOS.
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Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well, 4 months later into my break and I see ol' Champ here doing the exact same thing. Poor boy.
You mean trying to help ZOS "git gud" at their loot distribution and make their RNG system(s) better? So that there will be less complaints, and people spending more time actually playing the game and clearing content than grinding? Yeah... I've been trying to do that for quite some time. I know. It's kinda like talking to a wall at this point. It's alright. This is my last attempt at trying to help them get right. Can't really help those who won't help themselves.2 -
JD2013✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well, 4 months later into my break and I see ol' Champ here doing the exact same thing. Poor boy.
You mean trying to help ZOS "git gud" at their loot distribution and make their RNG system(s) better? So that there will be less complaints, and people spending more time actually playing the game and clearing content than grinding? Yeah... I've been trying to do that for quite some time. I know. It's kinda like talking to a wall at this point. It's alright. This is my last attempt at trying to help them get right. Can't really help those who won't help themselves.
You could always try to get a job with Zenimax if you truly want to help them "git gud?"Edited by JD2013 on November 21, 2016 2:24PMSweetrolls for all!
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Crafting bag OP! ZOS nerf pls!3 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well, 4 months later into my break and I see ol' Champ here doing the exact same thing. Poor boy.
You mean trying to help ZOS "git gud" at their loot distribution and make their RNG system(s) better? So that there will be less complaints, and people spending more time actually playing the game and clearing content than grinding? Yeah... I've been trying to do that for quite some time. I know. It's kinda like talking to a wall at this point. It's alright. This is my last attempt at trying to help them get right. Can't really help those who won't help themselves.
You could always try to get a job with Zenimax if you truly want to help them "git gud?"
I don't think ZOS would hire me, due to my outwardly spoken opinions of them on numerous occasions. Lol. Not to mention the fact that a lot of my ideas would be more so about trying to help players enjoy the game, rather than help ZOS make more money. Although, I suppose some ideas such as less grinding could potentially make them more money (encouraging more people to buy the game, subscribe, and support ZOS) — that wouldn't be where my focus would be (regarding making money). So as the many Khajiit buddies of the forum would say, "Dark moons..." ._.4 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭A long thread filled with complaints. At least propose a solution, or at least an original one.[Retired from ESO]
That is a lie. You just keep coming back.
Agree, and I add that he isn't playing D3.
Why want a game to work like one we don't play anymore? I don't ask this game to have anything from one of my past games. Stopped playing for a reason.1 -
Flynch✭✭✭✭I'd imagine that if anyone was to work at ZoS, then their stance on 'saving the customer money' would soon change to 'make this business as successful as possible'.
That's the funny thing about capitalism.1 -
JD2013✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well, 4 months later into my break and I see ol' Champ here doing the exact same thing. Poor boy.
You mean trying to help ZOS "git gud" at their loot distribution and make their RNG system(s) better? So that there will be less complaints, and people spending more time actually playing the game and clearing content than grinding? Yeah... I've been trying to do that for quite some time. I know. It's kinda like talking to a wall at this point. It's alright. This is my last attempt at trying to help them get right. Can't really help those who won't help themselves.
You could always try to get a job with Zenimax if you truly want to help them "git gud?"
I don't think ZOS would hire me, due to my outwardly spoken opinions of them on numerous occasions. Lol. Not to mention the fact that a lot of my ideas would be more so about trying to help players enjoy the game, rather than help ZOS make more money. Although, I suppose some ideas such as less grinding could potentially make them more money (encouraging more people to buy the game, subscribe, and support ZOS) — that wouldn't be where my focus would be (regarding making money). So as the many Khajiit buddies of the forum would say, "Dark moons..." ._.
Know what? That's actually a very awesome answer.
I agree that they could reduce the grind with VMA token system, but once they have what they want, what incentive is there to play said content again? From a game designer point of view, you want people to play content as long as possible. Which is why they added guild dailies and set drops to bosses and anchors, because nobody was doing them anymore. Longevity is the key in an MMO.
However, that said - a token system for VMA would be a welcome addition, as would purging some of the useless traits off the loot tables in vet trials and vet dungeons.
And let us bear in mind that the primary objective of any game company is to make money. Could they be sure that if they reduced grind etc they would get more subs and therefore more money in the coffers?Edited by JD2013 on November 21, 2016 2:34PMSweetrolls for all!
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Crafting bag OP! ZOS nerf pls!2 -
lardvader✭✭✭✭✭raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »You speak the truth, Ch4mpTW.
Coming from someone who seems to suffer from a severe case of “bad luck” The fact that I've been trying to obtain BIS gear for my magical DK seems to be taking years to get. I've been grinding nonstop in City of ash for god knows how long... and still I can't seem to get a break of getting the rightful traits of 4 items: Robes, Breeches and 2 spellweave inferno staffs (Sharpen). I'm also trying to get SPC for my templar, and still no such luck in finding the rightful traits.
With each grind that I must do I find myself getting bored out of my mind with the certain dungeon.
Something at work here..... I'm stuck in the exact two same dungeons
Hey I got a sharpened spellweave froststaff yesterday.... it was from a simple chest so I prob. did something wrong...
Yes at this point I'm close to asking for token system myself. Would be nice if ZoS could at least clean up some of those tables. I opened 4 vault keys last night and got 2 resto staffs of Essence Thief and a SPC bow..... The 5 other pieces were in line but *** traits...CP 1200+ PC EU EP1 -
Cazzy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Hey dude
I know you don't like me for whatever reason but I understand your frustration. It's why I asked for drop rates. Sometimes you wonder if certain items are a myth 
I do also believe your message could be better conveyed with more reasonable responses to certain posts. I'd like ZOS to read and take seriously what we all write but we all have to remain mature and reasonable to be taken seriously
I do still hoping they release some numbers and perhaps increase a lot of drop rates. It becomes an incredibly stale game when you have repeated losses in a game, doesn't it?
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Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »A long thread filled with complaints. At least propose a solution, or at least an original one.[Retired from ESO]
That is a lie. You just keep coming back.
Agree, and I add that he isn't playing D3.
Why want a game to work like one we don't play anymore? I don't ask this game to have anything from one of my past games. Stopped playing for a reason.
I certainly am playing Diablo 3, but nowhere near as much as I used to. I actually played for around 2hrs. yesterday, and am going to be trying to ease more D3 into my gaming. Why am I returning to an oldie like D3...? Because of a few reasons. 1. Diablo 3 is having seasons coming to console. 2. Diablo 3 is having a new class being implemented (Necromancer class). 3. The amount of dramatic changes Blizzard has made to D3 have literally made it incredible with the amount of improvements they've made. Did you know that they've made builds even more viable with Kanai's Cube? A little thing that basically lets you use items without using them, as well as other numerous things. It's amazing.2 -
SanTii.92✭✭✭✭✭
✭Unsent.Soul wrote: »
Same reason why you are answering to me I guess, same reason why op keeps posting about the same over and over so uhm ya, probably shouldn't have. SorryWhen the snows fall and the white winds blow,
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Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Hey dude I know you don't like me for whatever reason but I understand your frustration. It's why I asked for drop rates. Sometimes you wonder if certain items are a myth
I do also believe your message could be better conveyed with more reasonable responses to certain posts. I'd like ZOS to read and take seriously what we all write but we all have to remain mature and reasonable to be taken seriously
I do still hoping they release some numbers and perhaps increase a lot of drop rates. It becomes an incredibly stale game when you have repeated losses in a game, doesn't it?
@Cazzy Who told you that I don't like you? You've not done anything wrong to me, and therefore I have no reason to dislike you. You're fine in my book. I wish you no negativity in the slightest, and view you the same as I view maybe @Alucardo or someone. Just a pretty cool person who posts on the forums. I don't know why you have that impression that I dislike you, bruh-bruh. But it's untrue. ;_;
Also, I do agree that my message(s) to ZOS could've been cleaned up a bit. Very true. And it's also true that it does become incredibly stale after a prolonged period of time of constantly grinding with what appears to be no end in sight. True indeed.3 -
Enslaved✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »A long thread filled with complaints. At least propose a solution, or at least an original one.[Retired from ESO]
That is a lie. You just keep coming back.
Agree, and I add that he isn't playing D3.
Why want a game to work like one we don't play anymore? I don't ask this game to have anything from one of my past games. Stopped playing for a reason.
I certainly am playing Diablo 3, but nowhere near as much as I used to. I actually played for around 2hrs. yesterday, and am going to be trying to ease more D3 into my gaming. Why am I returning to an oldie like D3...? Because of a few reasons. 1. Diablo 3 is having seasons coming to console. 2. Diablo 3 is having a new class being implemented (Necromancer class). 3. The amount of dramatic changes Blizzard has made to D3 have literally made it incredible with the amount of improvements they've made. Did you know that they've made builds even more viable with Kanai's Cube? A little thing that basically lets you use items without using them, as well as other numerous things. It's amazing.
I loved Kanai's Cube, but the enormous lag it brought to D3 just ruined the game for me.0 -
DRXHarbinger✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I agree. I am starting to tire and finding little reason to carry on. Players are becoming really fickle and just want to roll with people that have done vmol, pvp just doesn't perform, in terms of just sitting in a load screen, and I cannot get the items that I want, I spend hours going for knights errant S&B all for jack. Get nothing at all.
Rng and "this may be an unusually long load time" need to start taking a *** priority.PC Master Race
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Down With BOP!4 -
Cazzy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Hey dude I know you don't like me for whatever reason but I understand your frustration. It's why I asked for drop rates. Sometimes you wonder if certain items are a myth
I do also believe your message could be better conveyed with more reasonable responses to certain posts. I'd like ZOS to read and take seriously what we all write but we all have to remain mature and reasonable to be taken seriously
I do still hoping they release some numbers and perhaps increase a lot of drop rates. It becomes an incredibly stale game when you have repeated losses in a game, doesn't it?
@Cazzy Who told you that I don't like you? You've not done anything wrong to me, and therefore I have no reason to dislike you. You're fine in my book. I wish you no negativity in the slightest, and view you the same as I view maybe @Alucardo or someone. Just a pretty cool person who posts on the forums. I don't know why you have that impression that I dislike you, bruh-bruh. But it's untrue. ;_;
Also, I do agree that my message(s) to ZOS could've been cleaned up a bit. Very true. And it's also true that it does become incredibly stale after a prolonged period of time of constantly grinding with what appears to be no end in sight. True indeed.
Aww cool I like you too *fistbump* 
I thought they may have sneakily increased drops during the free weekend to entice people in, but nope.
In fact, I rarely get excited about sets or any new recipes simply because I know my chances of getting anything I need are miniscule
I don't bother with the Arena either. Too much work and no payoff 3 -
Cazzy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭ESO is like heroin. You try to quit (like me) time and time again because you know it's no good for you. But you always end up crawling back.
You hate your drug dealer (ZOS in this case) but they're the only one who can give you your fix. So you try to negotiate and bargain but it never works. So you quit.
Then the itch for a fix returns...Edited by Cazzy on November 21, 2016 2:54PM5 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'd imagine that if anyone was to work at ZoS, then their stance on 'saving the customer money' would soon change to 'make this business as successful as possible'.
That's the funny thing about capitalism.
@Flynch
Zos current stance is to keep this business as successful as possIble. They seem to be doing fine with that.0 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ESO is like heroin. You try to quit (like me) time and time again because you know it's no good for you. But you always end up crawling back.
You hate your drug dealer (ZOS in this case) but they're the only one who can give you your fix. So you try to negotiate and bargain but it never works. So you quit.
Then the itch for a fix returns...
Sun and Moon has been helping me forget all about wanting to return to ESO, as well as the horror stories people post every day about RNG and PvP. So it's not that bad. -^_^-1 -
AlexTech0x✭✭✭Better drops = People can play how they want, less leave.
Stupid RNG as it is ( specially end game content ) = People get stuck and don't enjoy the game, they leave.
Shop = The reason ZOS doesn't care about any of the above.6 -
Flynch✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »I'd imagine that if anyone was to work at ZoS, then their stance on 'saving the customer money' would soon change to 'make this business as successful as possible'.
That's the funny thing about capitalism.
@Flynch
Zos current stance is to keep this business as successful as possIble. They seem to be doing fine with that.
And i'm all for it!0 -
Cazzy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭AlexTech0x wrote: »Better drops = People can play how they want, less leave.
Stupid RNG as it is ( specially end game content ) = People get stuck and don't enjoy the game, they leave.
Shop = The reason ZOS doesn't care about any of the above.
Couldn't agree more!3 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭AlexTech0x wrote: »Better drops = People can play how they want, less leave.
Stupid RNG as it is ( specially end game content ) = People get stuck and don't enjoy the game, they leave.
Shop = The reason ZOS doesn't care about any of the above.
Facts! So much truth.3 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »A long thread filled with complaints. At least propose a solution, or at least an original one.[Retired from ESO]
That is a lie. You just keep coming back.
Agree, and I add that he isn't playing D3.
Why want a game to work like one we don't play anymore? I don't ask this game to have anything from one of my past games. Stopped playing for a reason.
I certainly am playing Diablo 3, but nowhere near as much as I used to. I actually played for around 2hrs. yesterday, and am going to be trying to ease more D3 into my gaming. Why am I returning to an oldie like D3...? Because of a few reasons. 1. Diablo 3 is having seasons coming to console. 2. Diablo 3 is having a new class being implemented (Necromancer class). 3. The amount of dramatic changes Blizzard has made to D3 have literally made it incredible with the amount of improvements they've made. Did you know that they've made builds even more viable with Kanai's Cube? A little thing that basically lets you use items without using them, as well as other numerous things. It's amazing.
Good for you. Glad Zos isn't going to turn this into D3. Enjoy.1 -
Armitas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's interesting that you compare it to D3. When D3 first came out it was terrible under Jay Wilson. Jay Wilson took everything that made D2 a success and excluded it from D3 and held on to his sick twisted pride until the day he was fired. He did exactly the opposite of player feedback because he was Jay Wilson, the chosen one. He became an internet meme for pride and arrogance. After he was fired someone else took over and turned the game around completely and carried on the success of D2 and well as furthering the game along that line.
No one should be defending the RNG in this game. These people put out ad hominems against the OP because they have no logical basis to defend the current RNG situation. People need to stop fanboying. If you support the game take care of it, instead of defending it when it's on fire, help put out the fire.Edited by Armitas on November 21, 2016 3:15PMRetired.
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KingYogi415✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭RNG= Really Not Great
20 VMA runs 40 drops, and not a single sharpened weapon. At least I finnaly got a precise dagger to go with my precise Axe and precise bow. -_-
But precise destro for trials still MIA...Edited by KingYogi415 on November 21, 2016 3:12PM1 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's interesting that you compare it to D3. When D3 first came out it was terrible under Jay Wilson. Jay Wilson took everything that made D2 a success and excluded it from D3 and held on to his sick twisted pride until the day he was fired. He did exactly the opposite of player feedback because he was Jay Wilson, the chosen one. He became an internet meme for pride and arrogance. After he was fired someone else took over and turned the game around completely and carried on the success of D2 and well as furthering the game along that line.
No one should be defending the RNG in this game. They put out ad hominems against the OP because they have no logical basis to defend the current RNG situation.
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Sigtric✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SlayerTheDragon wrote: »@Ch4mpTW you cannot even begin to compare ZOS to Blizzard.
But, yes you are correct. I have also been playing a lot of D3 until this weekend when there was a free weekend on Overwatch. At around midway through my first match I realised two things:
1. Blizzard are master game builders (and I have been wasting so much time elsewhere)
2. No PVP encounter will ever compare to what I just experienced.
Come payday I will be moving over to OW fulltime. No leveling, no gear, no grinding - just skill.
Skill with hit boxes the size of VW busses?Edited by Sigtric on November 21, 2016 3:23PM
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