Question about Templar builds?

PieMaster1 · November 2016

Yes, I know the first 20 comments are not going to answer my questions and ask why I am in the wrong section. I posted here because on both threads I created, there hasn't been a single reply on either in the past 2 days.

Anyways..I wanted to know a few things about the Mag and Stam builds of classes. I am a Templar right now and just bought attribute/skill respecs. A lot of people to favor stamina over magic in a class that RELIES on magic to survive..I want to know why everyone seems to think this is more effective? (I am talking about PVP by the way) It sounds like many players prefer to play stamina on magic builds and I just don't understand. Why would you play a stamina sorcerer over, I don't know..a MAGIC wizard? Isn't that the whole reason you play a sorcerer? Same goes for DK and Templar.

I could see a DK being primarily stamina as they are meant to be tanky, but you'd need at least *some* magicka to fund your skills, wouldn't you?

What would benefit you from playing stamina? Earlier I was in a duel with a DK as a "Stam"plar, but apart from using puncture to weaken defenses, I used only magic abilities that ended up in me winning. What's so special about just using weapon skills to win a fight? Do they have some better advantage in PVP compared to magic?

It's just my opinion as a noob, but 95/100 people had recommended I play stamplar. I'd feel even more gimped if I knew I could not maximize my healing abilities.

I know that you have to use at least some class abilities, but not nearly as many as a mag build. I just see myself being a purely magicka guy and hardly any stamina.

Something to ask on the side..What should I do about health? If I want to be a Templar tank, how many points do I put into health and the other attributes? I am an Imperial Sword & Board since I figured that would be good for tanking. They have good health passives and stamina too even if i don't choose it.

Last question just to summarize. If I play as a Magplar for PVP, can I make it work?

Delimber · November 2016

My mag plar is a healer so very squishy. Never tried being a magic DPS with a Templar. Although I might role to Magic Templar tank with my Templar Tank.

And yes I use some magic abilities with my DK but only the ones that can't morph to stam. (Talons, and Spiked Armor)

Apparently stam sorc is very powerful in pvp and pve right now hence way people are running them.

PieMaster1 · November 2016

Delimber wrote: »

My mag plar is a healer so very squishy. Never tried being a magic DPS with a Templar. Although I might role to Magic Templar tank with my Templar Tank.

And yes I use some magic abilities with my DK but only the ones that can't morph to stam. (Talons, and Spiked Armor)

Apparently stam sorc is very powerful in pvp and pve right now hence way people are running them.

Oh okay, so the majority of DK skills can be converted to stamina points?

And what makes stamina so powerful and magicka so weak though? I don't understand how just using stamina makes you tanky and less squishy. Wouldn't health factor the most into being a tank build?

Haquor · November 2016

People want to hit each other with weapons and wear armor. Not prance around in a dress throwing ping pong balls/magic missiles at each other.

And when stamina scaling abilties hit like a truck its a no brainer atm. And yeah all classes habe stamina morphs of key abilities but there is still a reliance on weapon skills.

X3ina · November 2016

CreamedPieYum wrote: »

Delimber wrote: »

My mag plar is a healer so very squishy. Never tried being a magic DPS with a Templar. Although I might role to Magic Templar tank with my Templar Tank.

And yes I use some magic abilities with my DK but only the ones that can't morph to stam. (Talons, and Spiked Armor)

Apparently stam sorc is very powerful in pvp and pve right now hence way people are running them.

Oh okay, so the majority of DK skills can be converted to stamina points?

And what makes stamina so powerful and magicka so weak though? I don't understand how just using stamina makes you tanky and less squishy. Wouldn't health factor the most into being a tank build?

Your damage scales from your:
1. max stam/magicka
2. max weapon/spell damage
3. penetration (less resistance your enemy have - bigger your damage against him)

PvP: Atm stamina in pvp is in a great spot, plenty of proc sets, penetration sets, shuffle, great mobility, roll dodges etc.
Stamplars directly benefit from that + have their own unique features like: class cleanse - which heals you a bit, reveals invisible enemies. repentance - to get back your stamina, if any dead body nearby ofc. higher weapon damage compared to magicka templar

While magicka templars used more like healbots, heavy armor/s&b/infinite sustain/low damage.

If you want to be sorceror type magicka templar it will not end good - because sorcerer have bigger: magicka pool/spell damage/mobility/utility in a group -> (light armor sorc vs light armor templar). So you end up being just a bad magicka sorc.

I've never played a stamplar so i'll write some about magplar in pvp.
1. You have one of the lowest mobility between magicka classes so vampirism is preferable (mist form, and vamp ulti is not bad btw)
2. You mostly have to build your "house" if you want to fight against enemy player.
3. Expensive class skills.
4. Bad-ish range skills. (only radiant is good-ish

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P3ZZL3 · November 2016

Been running a Magika based Breton Templar for a while now. Personally love it

I'm seeing good burst damage at 50-60k group sustained and circa 18-20k single target.

My Stamplar runs about the same, but need to re-kit him. He's sitting on a base WeaponDamage of 3k - where as the Magplar is circa 2400.

Edit: p.s. I do not run Jesus Beam

teladoy · November 2016

As a Magicka Templar in heavy armor with Rattlecage and Soulshine set I see that the big difference, comparing my Templar with my NB stamina is that I have the feeling is not at the same lvl.

Let me explain, there are many players with tremendous good magicka builds that it doesn't matter which class, they are very deadly, but speaking in general, stamina outputs more damage and not so difficult to optimize.

Let me put this way, with my NB I break faces like a truck with a shot of a combined dosis of adrenaline and testosteroids but with my templar I have to fight like a man.

As magicka I should go some kind of build to burn enemy down in 1 second, but I don't, that's why compared with my NB , my Templar is like soft. With my NB I put so much pressure that I feel me like a bully in the school.

Magicka is not so good as stamina in terms of " let's *** people " that's it. And I'm talking as a general rule, I'm not saying is in every case always the same.

danno8 · November 2016

For PvP:

Stamina can use the most effective mitigation in the game, blocking, more effectively;
Break Free is much cheaper;
Sprinting is much cheaper;
Dodge Roll is much cheaper;
Stamina skills just seem to have better scaling, resulting in bigger hits for better burst;
Proc sets for Stamina builds are out of control at the moment. You can combine 2-3 of them together for outrageous burst with the right burst rotation (think 60k burst in 1 second in PvP).

idk · November 2016

@CreamedPieYum

Magika templar DPS is extremely solid with the current game being able to reach 40k in raids and probably 50k with top players. Stamina DPS for this class falls behind that.

Additionally, as magika you can heal. Templars have been the most desired healing class in the game because they can provide more support to the group.

For tanking, there are both stam and magika tanks, however, a true magika tank probably requires a higher level of skill since they cannot hold block continuously without strong stamina support. Some of the best tanks I know only block for heavy attacks so this is not an issue, but requires getting used to and good observation.

UppGRAYxDD · November 2016

Heavy Armor Magplar is much stronger imop in the current state of cyrodil. My best advice is go with what u know and like

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · November 2016

Mag templars used to be very solid in pvp but I've not played for a while. For open world think heavy armour was way to go (like dk).

PieMaster1 · November 2016

So should I just continue playing as a magplar? I feel like if i play as a stam build (of anything), ZoS will change it next week and then I'll be gimp of the month

Or will this always be a case of better scaling/damage for stamina over magic?

What is a good class that will always do at least good in PVP and won't ever be seriously nerfed? Is Templar itself a good enough class to survive? Or rather, could I make a Magplar and perform good with it? I'm not an incompetent spammer, I prefer to use strategy