Should Critical Hits come from PvE as well as PvP?

acw37162 · November 2016

No, I don't want this to potentially one-shot my DPSer in dungeons.

As if a great majority of *** in this game doesn't hit hard enough.

Vet Warrior
Engine Guardian poison air crit?
The Grobel adds
Skorias meteors
Velidreths heavy attack
The fire summonses in Hell Ra

Good lord what a poorly thought out suggestion.

DannyLV702 · November 2016

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Dps would still rock all divines because their goal is to deal damage and not be hit. If you got the right tank and healer you rarely even need to clap for your shields as a sorc in a trial. I don't see why not. But I also hate that it may slightly drive up the prices for impen dropped sets

@DannyLV702 What about Malestorm?

@RAGUNAnoOne I feel it would be a little annoying at first, but I'd get used to it. Except on that ice stage though

notimetocare · November 2016

No, I don't want this to potentially one-shot my DPSer in dungeons.

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

So imagine if enemies in PvE could land Critical Hits on players. I believe this would add a fresh danger factor to PvE thus making it more challenging and make Tanks even more valuable in groups, not to mention it would make the Impenetrable trait and any Champion Passives related to Critical Hit Resistance more universal. This may be cliche but it is kind of curious that this game's PvE does not critically hit players while so many others do.

So what are everyone else's thoughts on this?

King of bad ideas Joe. Death by rng is annoying, not good design

STEVIL · November 2016

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

I thought they could?

i am CERTAIN i have seen the Cp passive that keys on taking crit show up on my after action stats now and again for PVBE fights. maybe it was only bosses. maybe it was really an NPC doing like a crit charge kind of thing. its not often enough to be a normal thing but...

unless its bugged, some npcs can trigger "on crits taken" events.

EldritchPenguin · November 2016

No, I don't want this to potentially one-shot my DPSer in dungeons.

Challenges in games are things that make us evaluate our playstyles when we fail. This requires the enemies to be consistent above all else.

Enemies landing a critical hit and killing us with an attack that we otherwise should have survived does not make us rethink our strategy. That's just a rage quit moment.

Mojmir · November 2016

Why did you even make this poll?!

Darwin award goes to this poll

WhiteMage · November 2016

Yes, add this danger factor and make Impenetrable universal!

@UltimaJoe777
You're getting a lot of crap for this poll but I think it's a really good idea. People just can't seem to look past what they can see right in front of them. Clearly there would need to be balance adjustments to compensate for NPC crit and some things still just might not crit, but I agree with you that it would add a level of depth to the game that should have been there from the start.

Pay them no mind, and thank you for starting the conversation.

SublimeSparo · November 2016

There was a time when one of the three dk bosses in vWGT could crit with it's Steel Tornado attack, it wasn't fun.
But as it currently stands the game would become unplayable-
The vet trials would be almost impossible.
If mantikora could crit, overcharges, spreading poison.
The mages chain lightning.
The warriors flurry and shenai storm
And the rakkhat fight would be comedy

Derra · November 2016

No, I don't want this to potentially one-shot my DPSer in dungeons.

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Kram8ion wrote: »

It would make a lot of sets useless

Since every set can drop in Impen, no it would not.

Which is simply wrong as all trial sets can not drop in impen (that´s a little funny now isn´t it).

Since you´ve proven you basically know absolutely nothing about the topic at hand - wouldn´t it be smart to refrain from discussing things when they fall into the territory of taking (un)educated guesses @Strider_Roshin ?

Mojmir · November 2016

Why did you even make this poll?!

Derra wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Kram8ion wrote: »

It would make a lot of sets useless

Since every set can drop in Impen, no it would not.

Which is simply wrong as all trial sets can not drop in impen (that´s a little funny now isn´t it).

Since you´ve proven you basically know absolutely nothing about the topic at hand - wouldn´t it be smart to refrain from discussing things when they fall into the territory of taking (un)educated guesses @Strider_Roshin ?

Are trial sets in the golden rotation?

Naughty_Ryder · November 2016

No, I don't want this to potentially one-shot my DPSer in dungeons.

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

So imagine if enemies in PvE could land Critical Hits on players. I believe this would add a fresh danger factor to PvE thus making it more challenging and make Tanks even more valuable in groups, not to mention it would make the Impenetrable trait and any Champion Passives related to Critical Hit Resistance more universal. This may be cliche but it is kind of curious that this game's PvE does not critically hit players while so many others do.

So what are everyone else's thoughts on this?

Are you insane?!

Vaoh · November 2016

No, I don't want this to potentially one-shot my DPSer in dungeons.

R.I.P. Vet Trial tanks

And tanking The Mage's Axes? Oh no...

Katahdin · November 2016

No, I don't want this to potentially one-shot my DPSer in dungeons.

Mojmir wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Kram8ion wrote: »

It would make a lot of sets useless

Since every set can drop in Impen, no it would not.

Which is simply wrong as all trial sets can not drop in impen (that´s a little funny now isn´t it).

Since you´ve proven you basically know absolutely nothing about the topic at hand - wouldn´t it be smart to refrain from discussing things when they fall into the territory of taking (un)educated guesses @Strider_Roshin ?

Are trial sets in the golden rotation?

No

Rex-Umbra · November 2016

Yes, add this danger factor and make Impenetrable universal!

Only problems is all other traits would be subpar.

Egonieser · November 2016

Yes, add this danger factor and make Impenetrable universal!

Easy, all trash and overland mobs can crit with the exception of boss mobs.
Problem solved.
Doubt it would make a difference if you got hit for 1k or 1.5k

I agree that bosses should have consistent mechanics and damage output/rotation but that doesn't have to apply to non-boss monsters who do not one-shot you, even if it was a crit.

AzuraKin · November 2016

Why did you even make this poll?!

horrible horrible horrible idea, you would cookie cutter everything int running impen trait only. so *** horrible idea. whoever thinks crit in pve in this game needs to be shot. its like another game i used to play they added crit to the *** game and it destroyed the game. destroyed it. and once a feature gets added 99% of the time that feature will never get removed if it proves detrimental to the balance of the game, they just further push the balance of the game out of wack by pushing that feature even more.

Delimber · November 2016

No, I don't want this to potentially one-shot my DPSer in dungeons.

Having missed a block and hit for 230k damage from the final boss of CoS I'm happy with the way things are.

My tanks armour may have been broken when that one hit though.

nordsavage · November 2016

Why did you even make this poll?!

I hate polls where the wording of options draws heavily from the OP's thought process or agenda. How about simple yes, no maybe and let people say why instead of trying to add your sideways flavor text with them. Really trying for those last few forums stars I see. As for the vote it does not matter because it will not happen and good riddance because it would be one more thing for them to mess up trying to reinsert it into the game.

Strider_Roshin · November 2016

Yes, add this danger factor and make Impenetrable universal!

Derra wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Kram8ion wrote: »

It would make a lot of sets useless

Since every set can drop in Impen, no it would not.

Which is simply wrong as all trial sets can not drop in impen (that´s a little funny now isn´t it).

Since you´ve proven you basically know absolutely nothing about the topic at hand - wouldn´t it be smart to refrain from discussing things when they fall into the territory of taking (un)educated guesses @Strider_Roshin ?

Awe did I hurt your sensitive feelings? Typically the most you'll need from a trial is a single 5-piece (such as VO); which people typically use the three pieces of jewelry, and then a 2 piece elsewhere. This leaves at least 5 other pieces of gear that you can have in impenetrable.

Now since you've proven that you're incapable of responding without sounding hormonal; wouldn't it be smart to refrain from conversing with others for a while @Derra ?

Izaki · November 2016

Doesn't matter to me, do whatever.

Potentially a good idea. But then again most bosses have really obvious telegraphs so most one-shots are easily avoidable. If the Chain Lightning in AA or the Poison in SO starts to crit, it may very well be an unavoidable one-shot. Which would in turn make health much more valuable which definitely is a good idea.

Vipstaakki · November 2016

No, I don't want this to potentially one-shot my DPSer in dungeons.

NO! Stop forcing your PvP in my PvE.

rustic_potato · November 2016

Yes, add this danger factor and make Impenetrable universal!

Would make tanks run something other than sturdy and infused. Would make dps run something other than divines. The crit damage should be in such a way that 2-3 pieces of impen should be able to mitigate the bonus damage. We will see a lot more build variety and a stop to the dps power creep.

Lashiing · November 2016

Why did you even make this poll?!

tank vHRC and then lmk your opinion

Kammakazi · November 2016

HELL NAH FAM

Suppose The Warrior in Veteran Hel Ra HM can crit? LOOL

Waseem · November 2016

Yes, add this danger factor and make Impenetrable universal!

90% of people who said no make QQ threads that "PvE is not challenging"
people so used to nuking brainless npc's and thinking thats the skill
try playing where NPCs can do CC skills on you more often.. fear,snare
or animation cancelling

ok that was alot

but if mobs could crit, investing in some health would be viable instead just eating a food
more diversity = more to do and more challenge = more fun

for those QQ on hard hitting bosses, ever heard of a skill called "Guard" ?
when you run trials, BoL is useless heal? i notice most players at max hp 95% of the time and only tank who get hard hitted in vhrc thus making BoL most useful burst heal there

everything can be manageable
its not written on a constitution that trials shall be of 2 healers, a 3rd healer would be welcome in such circumstances
think outside of stupid box of what you can do and how to manage challenges instead QQ

the suggestion is not to give bosses Twice-Born Star and will not give mobs aggressive warhorn rotation lol
its not to make crit chance 80% aswell
all damage can be toned down to 85% of current value+ crit chance -- there will be ups and downs in damage taken.. adapt....

Jamini · November 2016

Yes, add this danger factor and make Impenetrable universal!

A little more danger is always fun.

salmoncat33 · November 2016

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

No I have not, and frankly have no interest in it. My interests lie in other games right now as this one is boring and buggy right now. I just made this topic to see what people think is all. I have collected sufficient data from it and I'm sure Zenimax has too

If it's any consolation though, we all know Zenimax won't do this. They, too, do not support luck factors in PvE combat.

Why do people make threads for things they have no interest in... I don't understand.

kevlarto_ESO · November 2016

No, I don't want this to potentially one-shot my DPSer in dungeons.

They kinda had this for a while it was broken and some mobs were critting, it was not as fun or challenging as you might think fighting along and poof fall over dead, kinda like getting hit with VD in pvp, full health to no health in the wink of the eye. Not my idea of a good time

borgking · November 2016

LMFAO...I thought it was already in PVE...OMG... how wrong was I?

all those wasted points I put into the champion tree for protection against critical hits

Are you serious...this isnt a factor in PVE?

DocFrost72 · November 2016

salmoncat33 wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

No I have not, and frankly have no interest in it. My interests lie in other games right now as this one is boring and buggy right now. I just made this topic to see what people think is all. I have collected sufficient data from it and I'm sure Zenimax has too

If it's any consolation though, we all know Zenimax won't do this. They, too, do not support luck factors in PvE combat.

Why do people make threads for things they have no interest in... I don't understand.

Cause it's fun.

More proc sets. Oh, and make them do double dmg on players for added challenge.