Pets, the point is...

power5050 · November 2016

Would you want them to implement some real pros to having a pet? If so, what comes to mind. Personally, I really like WoW's Pokemon-esque pet collecting and battling system. Of course there's no way they could do something like this at the time with the selection of pets so limited. That's not the only idea I'm sure but I would just like pets to be something other than to show people how many crowns you have.

Waffennacht · November 2016

A cool idea would be like a pen in your house for them to run around, or in the house. A title could be something.

Um... here's an idea, a pack pet lol, strap a backpack to your pocket mammoth.

I know people are gonna say no, the reasons they'll give are: P2W, fix other things first, balance first, and no more crown store stuff.

Poss · November 2016

They're just a vanity thing and a way for ZoS to make money. All they really do is cause lag in trials so I haven't used my pet in months now.

Now for a bigger questions, what's the point in sorc pets? Such a waste of a skill tree

WhitePawPrints · November 2016

Utility with pets would be nice. Why not have some of them act as a Alchemy crafter trait and bring little beetles, or any of the newer alchemy ingredients that are from bugs/beetles/mudcrabs?

Rev Rielle · November 2016

My Jackal is ridding Tamriel of rodents, one rat at a time, it seems. So he has purpose, at least he seems driven about it; for he's always hunting them down. Plus I like watching him run through the snow or sand, kicking it everywhere. Puts a smile on my face, so that's worth it to me.

power5050 · November 2016

See that's great! Immersion and roleplaying. It just takes me out of it when I see 3 other people in my area alone that have the exact same, identical pet. Kinda takes away from the "magic". That being said, some lite pet customization would go a long way. Maybe collars, bracelets, color schemes, etc....

Glurin · November 2016

branstark wrote: »

They're just a vanity thing and a way for ZoS to make money. All they really do is cause lag in trials so I haven't used my pet in months now.

Now for a bigger questions, what's the point in sorc pets? Such a waste of a skill tree

As with most combat pets in MMOs, the point is supplemental damage and/or damage mitigation and crowd control. The sorcerer pets also provide some healing ability. Works great when soloing. OK in groups, though generally better served with other skills.

JimT722 · November 2016

My Argonian loves his freckled Guar. Doesn't need to do anything, he is fine as just a companion.

scorpiodog · November 2016

power5050 wrote: »

Would you want them to implement some real pros to having a pet? If so, what comes to mind. Personally, I really like WoW's Pokemon-esque pet collecting and battling system. Of course there's no way they could do something like this at the time with the selection of pets so limited. That's not the only idea I'm sure but I would just like pets to be something other than to show people how many crowns you have.

I'm no tree hugger or anything, but the idea of pet battles is disgusting, even in an imaginary environment. Ok maybe the dwemer "pets" are ok, but the idea of a puppy being forced to fight against a kitty cat is just wrong.

Another thing I really hate about the WOW system is you can't ignore it. You got these stupid green paw prints everywhere.

JD2013 · November 2016

My goat doesn't need to do anything but stand there looking cute as heck and bleat occasionally after nibbling some grass.

power5050 · November 2016

scorpiodog wrote: »

power5050 wrote: »

Would you want them to implement some real pros to having a pet? If so, what comes to mind. Personally, I really like WoW's Pokemon-esque pet collecting and battling system. Of course there's no way they could do something like this at the time with the selection of pets so limited. That's not the only idea I'm sure but I would just like pets to be something other than to show people how many crowns you have.

I'm no tree hugger or anything, but the idea of pet battles is disgusting, even in an imaginary environment. Ok maybe the dwemer "pets" are ok, but the idea of a puppy being forced to fight against a kitty cat is just wrong.

Another thing I really hate about the WOW system is you can't ignore it. You got these stupid green paw prints everywhere.

Well the unfortunate thing for you is that animal fighting has been mentioned numerous times throughout the lore, especially in Morrowind. Fortunately for you on the other hand is that you wouldn't be forced to fight with your pet, it would be optional. If that upsets you then see my later post about pet customization. I would really love that too in lieu of, or in addition to, a battle system. Really anything to give them a real purpose and personality aside from the same limited amount of script they are given. I think there is a lot of potential for the pets of Tamriel.

cpuScientist · November 2016

branstark wrote: »

They're just a vanity thing and a way for ZoS to make money. All they really do is cause lag in trials so I haven't used my pet in months now.

Now for a bigger questions, what's the point in sorc pets? Such a waste of a skill tree

A waste? HOW DARE YOU GOOD SIR OR MADAM. I only chose sorc all those years ago for the pets.

They provide healing.
AoE damage.
Corwd control.
Off tank.
Single target damage.

And have been the basis of my PvP build for ages now.

Utilizing pets I have been able to pull 30k single target in parses. Which doesn't equal my usual trial setup. But 30k in buffed ain't horrid.

I utilize them to tank/heal vet pledges. I just go in with 3 DPS and myself. I have adds stunned, everyone healed up nice, and in the rare case of loss taunt my little ones usually pick up aggro. And if I am in a very bad pug group, well I just let my pets tank while I rez.

SORC PETS ARE SWEET.

But ZOS they do need some buffing baby, they need to scale up to 160 with us, and they need to take advantage of the champion tree baby.

They also need to not take heals from players in trials, set them as last priority or just don't let them get heals.

And for the console peas I mean people

please give them a way to target them. They are really losing out on a great skill set.

@ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

purple-magicb16_ESO · November 2016

Pets with a purpose. Okay, here goes:

No combat. That's what familiars are for. Added non-combat features only. Pets could interact with each other and npcs. Cats catch mice, annoy shopkeepers, dogs, well, we all know what they do. Farming pets (pigs - thinking truffles) could find nodes or provide better rng. Some (like black cats/sanguine's goat) could point to lorebooks or be used to communicate with Daedric Princes for a chance to gain an added feature to summoning or just strengthen summoning somehow. Hunting pets (dogs) could find game (like more than normal) and give better rng. Some pets could distract while the owner steals stuff. Just off the top of my head.

Not completely fleshed out but you get the idea.

Mojmir · November 2016

The point is too annoy everyone around you.

Grymmoire · November 2016

Rev Rielle wrote: »

My Jackal is ridding Tamriel of rodents, one rat at a time, it seems. So he has purpose, at least he seems driven about it; for he's always hunting them down. Plus I like watching him run through the snow or sand, kicking it everywhere. Puts a smile on my face, so that's worth it to me.

So, that is where my darn falcon is finding all those dead carcasses he fetches back to me as gifts eh!?

Kram8ion · November 2016

Yes and those flapping wings totally get in your face and break los on top of a keep your trying to defend!
Should be a pet behavioral awareness management class for pvp ,just sayin

Enslaved · November 2016

WTF are you saying, there is no way to bring pets into Cyrodiil.

Vaoh · November 2016

Would be cool if you could have out lots of pets in your Player House (5-10 or all pets) at the same time!

As for Sorc pets.... I'm one of the last people who has the right to ask for buffs after how I've used them. Still they need to be properly buffed by scaling and CPs so they are strong in PvP.

It's wrong that Necropotence is essentially BiS on Mag NB builds in PvP but it is meh on Sorcs and is not enough to make Pet Sorcs good against more than a single opponent.

bellanca6561n · November 2016

Enslaved wrote: »

WTF are you saying, there is no way to bring pets into Cyrodiil.

Thank god!!

There was a time when...well...let's just say I'm glad they now stay home automatically. *mumbles to himself*

Yes, they're either pure fluff, in the case of the tag along pets, or extremely annoying in the case of sorcerer pets.

It's not Ultima Online's tamer system certainly but its rather harmless.

probablyafk · November 2016

branstark wrote: »

They're just a vanity thing and a way for ZoS to make money. All they really do is cause lag in trials so I haven't used my pet in months now.

Now for a bigger questions, what's the point in sorc pets? Such a waste of a skill tree

Sorcs are still viable without Pets and there are special circumstances when they allow you to do some really interesting (not necessarily optimised) stuff.

I think that's awesome. It worries me when everything in a class is all about optimised builds. There needs to be outlier skills and trees, things that in a specific circumstance might allow for creative gameplay.

agegarton · November 2016

Non-combat pets could easily be altered to have a real in-game use, which I'm sure would only make them more popular and therefore make Zenimax more cash. I'd certainly buy a new pet that had one or more of these attributes:-

1. Pets auto-loot for you after a fight.
2. Pets farm crafting nodes that you pass on your travels, or catch bugs, butterflies, etc.
3. Pets that go and search guild trader kiosks in locations you know for a specific item (search parameter).
4. Collect and/or hand in daily quests for you while you get on with something else.

You could link pet skills to a skill point tree so that players can unlock new talents in their pets, or perhaps to existing crafting levels or other skills (e.g. Can collect the new Mages Guild daily quest when you reach a certain level or unlock a particular passive). It would be a great way to reward those who have invested time and effort into the crafting skills lines.

There you go @ZOS_GinaBruno - you can have that for free

Elara_Northwind · November 2016

They may be 'pointless' but I really like my pets

Since Wrothgar was released I have wanted a pocket mammoth of my own, and now I have one

AzuraKin · November 2016

power5050 wrote: »

Would you want them to implement some real pros to having a pet? If so, what comes to mind. Personally, I really like WoW's Pokemon-esque pet collecting and battling system. Of course there's no way they could do something like this at the time with the selection of pets so limited. That's not the only idea I'm sure but I would just like pets to be something other than to show people how many crowns you have.

dont know nothing about pets in wow but if you were gonna make pets be able to provide benefits in battle, i say go with wizard101 format.

this format is you aquire a pet via drop, buy from store whatever, it has set number of stats (affect pet's effectiveness) and talent pool (talents that provide benefits) of 10 talents with only 5 of the talents able to manifest (random) through training. then you can hatch your pet with another persons pet and the talents of each parent are used to determine child's talents (random from parents pools) and the stats of the child are randomly selected for each stat either parent a, parent b, or average of parent a and b's stats. this creates a neverending system for pet development (just to get 5 specific talents out of 10 is 1 in 30,000)

Glurin · November 2016

agegarton wrote: »

1. Pets auto-loot for you after a fight.
2. Pets farm crafting nodes that you pass on your travels, or catch bugs, butterflies, etc.
3. Pets that go and search guild trader kiosks in locations you know for a specific item (search parameter).
4. Collect and/or hand in daily quests for you while you get on with something else.

1. Diablo 3 does this. The non-combat pets run around collecting any gold that drops. Convenient, and it does add a little bit more "life" to them, but I don't think I like the idea of them collecting all loot automatically.

2. That would be a bit much. A little too close to botting for my taste. Plus, it would make the Keen Eye passives completely moot. Also a good way to fill your bag with thousands of dead bugs. I have enough trouble keeping the ones I collect on my own cleaned out.

3. Maybe if it were limited to the immediate vicinity instead of known locations. Maybe. I'd have to think about this one some more before forming an opinion.

4. Even closer to botting than number two in some ways. Also potential to fill up your quest journal with stuff that you maybe wouldn't normally do or don't want to do just because you happened to pass by the area.

That Darn Argonian · November 2016

Have to say I love my Kindlespit Dragon Frog, he breathes fire (usually AFTER I've killed all the trash mobs) it's like he wanted to burn them for hurting me! Aww, bless!

Enslaved · November 2016

Pets ain't slaves. I do not expect my pets to do anything more that they do now. I don't wish them to loot enemies, carry stuff, provide bonuses. That way they cease to be pets and become something else. IRL, I expect my cats to be, well, cats. I don't need them to iron my clothes, get out the trash, teach my children to worship satan etc.

I simply love my black stripped senche for what it is.

wenchmore420b14_ESO · November 2016

For the love of Akatosh NO! The "Pet Battles" is one of the reasons I quit WoW. Leave the Poke' man stuff for 12 years olds and out of ESO. I only use one pet most of the time anyways, my QuakCon 2014 Bristlegut Piglet, who I named "Ned Beatty".

The Sorc Pets are far from worthless! My Matriarch Twightlight not only does more dmg than some DPS I've run with, It heals not just me, but my whole group, and is a great source of off-heals.

Abeille · November 2016

JimT722 wrote: »

My Argonian loves his freckled Guar. Doesn't need to do anything, he is fine as just a companion.

I love the freckled Guar, I just wish it had that little backpack so it would look like my Guar plush, "Eats-My-Burgers".

Makes me wish for some pet customization. It doesn't have to be anything too fancy, just something here and there. It would remind me of pets in Ragnarök Online.

nine9six · November 2016

I used to love my Pet in TERA that auto-looted for me.

power5050 · November 2016

Enslaved wrote: »

Pets ain't slaves. I do not expect my pets to do anything more that they do now. I don't wish them to loot enemies, carry stuff, provide bonuses. That way they cease to be pets and become something else. IRL, I expect my cats to be, well, cats. I don't need them to iron my clothes, get out the trash, teach my children to worship satan etc.

I simply love my black stripped senche for what it is.

Well I'm not exactly sure how giving my guar a new color scheme is enslavement but I doubt I'm going to get through to you regardless. Also, as a side note, you should never play Morrowind. It may be too much for you to swallow as even the animal people were literal slaves. Tamriel has a little darker history than you may think

Again though, doesn't have to be battle. I mean if you want to talk from a role playing stance then you are feeding and supplying for the the creature so for him to bring you a piece of leather from 10 feet away isn't that bad of a trade off. The term companion goes both ways.

Sinolai · November 2016

branstark wrote: »

They're just a vanity thing and a way for ZoS to make money. All they really do is cause lag in trials so I haven't used my pet in months now.

Now for a bigger questions, what's the point in sorc pets? Such a waste of a skill tree

They helped a lot when I was still leveling. Could solo world bosses easily when the pets were tanking them for me.
Twilight Matriarch is also powerful heal if you are palying sorc healer for dungeons (although a little unreliable as she tends to die when you need her most)
But I agree that the way they have been introduced is really clumsy. They could replace these 2 skills with something else and make a whole new skill tree under "Wrold" skills that contains summons and bound weapons (Give us dremora lords!)