Get this with the minotaur all the time. Scrub lords trying to fight it with a bow by the entrance whilst I'm fighting it and steal aggro and oh look it's reset. Repeats itself 5 times until you rage at the helmets doing it.

I don't know what the aggro mechanics is, besides the forced aggro from taunts. It should be based on the damage a player does in a given amount of time. I'm sure that a player that spams light attacks or snipe is not doing more damage than the one actually on the boss, doing a proper rotation, with good gear. So there's no logic in the monster following the former instead of the latter.

Asardes wrote: »

I don't know what the aggro mechanics is, besides the forced aggro from taunts. It should be based on the damage a player does in a given amount of time. I'm sure that a player that spams light attacks or snipe is not doing more damage than the one actually on the boss, doing a proper rotation, with good gear. So there's no logic in the monster following the former instead of the latter.

It seems set since day one to always go for the templar. If there isn't a temp then a DK. Either that or the role in group. I've sort of proved this before when in wgt. Constantly getting harassed (no tank) changes role to dps from healer and it evens out. Strange. But nothing ever seems interested in a sorc or nightblade.

BlanketFort wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

I don't know what the aggro mechanics is, besides the forced aggro from taunts. It should be based on the damage a player does in a given amount of time. I'm sure that a player that spams light attacks or snipe is not doing more damage than the one actually on the boss, doing a proper rotation, with good gear. So there's no logic in the monster following the former instead of the latter.

So the boss should now aggro on the player doing most damage? Which is probably a DPS build squishy as hell. Poor dude.

Better than the level 4 sorc spamming mages wrath and using a 2h dying over and over. Most 561 dps should he able to handle any aggro now. If not then they shouldn't be there soloing half this stuff anyway.

Had this happen just recently at Heretic's Summons in Auridon. There were a few randoms there, and while I was taking care of the adds (which nobody else was bothering to deal with, even though they had killed a couple of people) the guy who the boss was going after just kept backing up until the boss reset. Really irritating.

TheSeer wrote: »

I think if the person the boss is after leaves the area the boss should attack a random person still in the area.

^This is absolutely the way it should work.

Boss aggro for dummies:

lagrue wrote: »

What doesn't make sense is when there's 25 people in the boss area - and 1 guy walks out of the zone and because the boss is following that 1 single player, he gets full health again because some scrub ran away.

So....

This is why tanks are so valuable with World Bosses. What you are saying is that "the scrub" should stay and get killed, rather than run away.

For someone low powered, or not super min-maxed, this can be terrifying.

I will say when I'm fighting Aesar the Hatespinner (Rivenspire) who is a [censorded] sun-of-a [censored] who I can so NOT solo (it's a dream for someday, but I'm not holding my breath) and there is no tank - or I end up accidentally with aggro (and he does tend to leave a trail of "formerly aggro'ed" bodies) what I do is dodge pack and forth across him, trying like hell to heal myself.

At least it keeps him in the same area.

Sometimes ... if I'm really lucky, an effective tank comes along and saves my *ss.

What's worse is when the people do it on purpose.

The Minotaur boss in the Gold Coast for instance, people used to taunt him while others were killing and then run back into the cave area to reset him. The reasoning was so their group members had time to get there... This was incredibly frustrating and I know damn well I said a few things I shouldn't have in response.

While I was farming fiord's in eastmatch this weekend I was soloing bosses. Had someone run up as the boss was around 5% use puncture once and then try to run off to reset the boss. I simply took advantage of the aggro to execute and kill the boss. After I killed the boss they followed me around for a bit, I assume trying to duel me (auto decline on) since a trade option poped up a few times that the immediately closed after they opened it.

Shows me that some of these folks are doing it because they don't know better, but others are doing it to troll. I do wish they would give better aggro mechanics, like maybe not reset health but mske them invulnerable till they reset.

This is annoying, and ZOS should update their boss reset parameters, but a couple of things need to be clear.

First, the "scrub lords" have no idea where the bounds are. Some of the sooper cool elite probably don't know exactly where, either. ZOS has put up no signage that says "past this point, boss will reset". The natural thing to do is get out of the way of said angry boss and even a millimeter over an imaginary invisible line is out of bounds.

Second, this imaginary invisible line can be closer to the boss's native spawn point than some of the weapon ranges. I have seen Snapjaw leap half way across Tamriel to pounce on someone with a bow who is trying to stay out of aggro range, and then reset because apparently the critter leaped out of range.

The boss should not be able to magically reset and become non-combatant until back at the spawn point, unless every player in the area also gets a magic reset. Instead, when said target is out of bounds, a new target should be picked. The player that stepped out of bounds should get a message and they should not be considered for XP, Loot, Achievements. If they want to rejoin, they should be allowed to do so as if they had no prior interaction with the boss, meaning that they need to do a certain percentage of new damage to get XP, loot, achievement, or whatever.

All such boundary areas should have a message when entering, leaving, and getting near the edge when there is an active event running.

newtinmpls wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

What doesn't make sense is when there's 25 people in the boss area - and 1 guy walks out of the zone and because the boss is following that 1 single player, he gets full health again because some scrub ran away.

So....

This is why tanks are so valuable with World Bosses. What you are saying is that "the scrub" should stay and get killed, rather than run away.

For someone low powered, or not super min-maxed, this can be terrifying.

I will say when I'm fighting Aesar the Hatespinner (Rivenspire) who is a [censorded] sun-of-a [censored] who I can so NOT solo (it's a dream for someday, but I'm not holding my breath) and there is no tank - or I end up accidentally with aggro (and he does tend to leave a trail of "formerly aggro'ed" bodies) what I do is dodge pack and forth across him, trying like hell to heal myself.

At least it keeps him in the same area.

Sometimes ... if I'm really lucky, an effective tank comes along and saves my *ss.

If "the scrub" can't figure out how to kite the boss around the intended battleground then yes, they should die instead of resetting the boss half a dozen times.

newtinmpls wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

What doesn't make sense is when there's 25 people in the boss area - and 1 guy walks out of the zone and because the boss is following that 1 single player, he gets full health again because some scrub ran away.

So....

This is why tanks are so valuable with World Bosses. What you are saying is that "the scrub" should stay and get killed, rather than run away.

No, the "scrub" (although I wouldn't call someone that... Except for people I know when I'm giving them some friendly ribbing; and yes I know you were just using the same term as the person you were replying to and you're not the type to call people scrubs either) should run away in circles to keep the boss from resetting.

newtinmpls wrote: »

For someone low powered, or not super min-maxed, this can be terrifying.

I will say when I'm fighting Aesar the Hatespinner (Rivenspire) who is a [censorded] sun-of-a [censored] who I can so NOT solo (it's a dream for someday, but I'm not holding my breath) and there is no tank - or I end up accidentally with aggro (and he does tend to leave a trail of "formerly aggro'ed" bodies) what I do is dodge pack and forth across him, trying like hell to heal myself.

At least it keeps him in the same area.

Sometimes ... if I'm really lucky, an effective tank comes along and saves my *ss.

See? You know what to do when you've got aggro from a boss and your character isn't built to handle serious hits from a boss. It's unfortunate that not everyone does know that, and frustrating for other people fighting the boss. Still, we all started out as noobs, and when I started I'm sure I didn't realize the reset thing...

How about something off the wall, instead of the boss aggroing on someone else in the area, what if that boss locks onto the person who ran away and just griefs them for the rest of eternity by following them and killing them, until it is killed by the person who ran away?