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Lightning staff ultimate vs. fire

cellobuddy
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After some testing, I've found that for sorcs, the lightning staff is significantly more powerful for the ultimate than the fire staff. When I did my testing, I was on my Breton, had all passives, and used sharpened gold quality staves. The lightning staff ultimate hit 10 times for 10,728 each tick on non-crits. The fire staff ultimate hit 8 times for 11,134 each tick on non-crits.
Lightning staff:
107,280 total damage w/o crits
Fire staff:
89,072 total damage w/o crits

If you were to have a DK in the group using engulfing flames, the fire staff would be at 97,979. If you also apply the dunmer bonus to fire damage, that would increase to 104,838, which is close to the lightning staff, but the lightning staff ulti would also increase to 111,571, keeping itself ahead. As a sorc, this'll also proc implosion, making it that much better. Blockade is still going to be best on a fire staff, but if you're running destro staves on both bars, it may be worth switching which staff you use this ulti on.

Disclaimer: Shooting star will still do more single target per ultimate cost on stationary enemies and will outperform everything if there are multiple enemies clumped up. It also buffs your max magic, which increases your damage done. If you slot shooting star for the extra max magic, though, and don't actually use it, you're better off slotting a sorcerer skill for the 2% extra spell damage.

edited to include point about implosion.
Edited by cellobuddy on November 11, 2016 9:59AM
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  • Panth141
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    I've had similar thoughts, though I'm yet to run the numbers.

    Don't forget that the Lightning version of the ultimate can also proc the disintegration passive on a Sorc!
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  • STEVIL
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    But these both presume enemy staying in the stationary zone that long.
    Ice and its immobilize may get more hits in practice, depending on circumstance.

    I do generally prefer lightning tho.
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  • Crom_CCCXVI
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    The lightning ultimate is also harder to see, which is the biggest problem with the destro ultimates in PVP--- you can't tell your in them!

    If I am stuck in a fire storm doing 8k per second, my screen should be on fire..
    - then again, the way combat is now with every light attack proc'ing like 2 massive attacks it's hard to follow anything anyway.



    I will say, I hate that my weapon (the lightning staff) that no one was using a year ago, is not the META. grrrr
  • Tremors
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    Yeah lightning is nasty on a sorc alsoooo as for meteor. I bloodspawned 2 x meteor and vs 1 x lightning ultimate and pulled a better time with the lightning ult...however being on Xbox I could not get a parse, only a time.
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  • covenant_merchant
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    In PvE you can read that the lightning ulti is more powerful than fire from the tooltip.. 9secx8.9k unbuffed approximative tooltip = 80.1k compared to 8.9k x 1.1 (10% more damage) x 7 = 68.5k.

    Should you be a dunmer, which is the most optimal PvE race, then 68.5k x 1.07 (dunmer passive) = 73.3k
    Still worse than the lightning ultimate, where : 80.1k x 1.02 (dunmer passive) = 81.7k

    Also lightning has a chance to proc implosion when the target is low health.
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