Chokethorn monster set good for healer? Looking for some advice.

Nocturnalan · November 2016

I'm a new player and thought the Chokethorn set would be good for my Templar healer but it blinds me when it procs and it's probably really annoying for my teammates too. I literally cant see anything! What is up with that animation!? Just that alone makes me want to just grab a DPS 2 pc. or something. I'm also running a 3pc. set of Willpower which seems to be pretty good. I'm also running a mix and match of the 5pc. sets but haven't yet completed one yet or decided which is best to go after.

Thank you for any advice you may have.

W0lf_z13 · November 2016

chokethorn sounds like an interesting set for a healer ... the one i really want to test out though is Troll King ... both sets i think could be great on a healer also for a 5 piece ... farm for Spell Power Cure ( found in white gold tower ) pretty much a "go to" set for healers

TheSeer · November 2016

I have Chokethorn as my Monster set, its procs from any type of healing, even if its from a weapon enchantment which is good for me when I have to DPS in PvE and in PvP it helps me stay alive while I regain magicka with my heavy attacks and also aids anyone within range too.

Cryptical · November 2016

It procs on any healing, not just an ability like it says?

As in, also on the templar puncturing sweeps?

Alucardo · November 2016

I'm by no means a healer, but I have ran vDSA with a healer running this set while I was on dps, and it's very good.

- It has a long range
- When it's healing someone, you can basically focus on somebody else because while the beam holds that person isn't going to easily die.
- Sometimes it would proc and the healer would get CCd. He was under less pressure because the Strangler was healing for him while he was down.
- You can repent the strangler when it dies for a bit of extra AOE healing and stam regen.
- It procs very often

So yeah, I'd say this set is totally viable for any healer.

Nocturnalan · November 2016

I guess I just cant stand the blinding factor, I absolutely hate it when my entire screen is bright green. It does proc very often, seems like 75% of the time, in fact everything Monster related seems to proc much more than advertised (unless they are procing based on every tick and not every cast then it would make sense).

TheSeer · November 2016

Cryptical wrote: »

It procs on any healing, not just an ability like it says?

As in, also on the templar puncturing sweeps?

At least while I've been using it it has, originally I thought it just proced from Heal spells, but it kept appearing while I used my restro staff with life drain enchantment. It might proc with puncturing sweeps, but I never use that ability enough to say with 100% certainty.

Daraugh · November 2016

It's a fun, handy set. I'd like the animation to be cut at least in half as far as brightness though, it's way too much. I can't figure out how it decides who to heal, but hey a free heal and a repentance corpse! I have it on my templar atm, just trying it out. I think I might give it to my NB healer though, since she could use the long range heal more than my temp.

Nocturnalan · November 2016

I don't use repentance, is that a must have?

WalksonGraves · November 2016

Best healer helm ever.

Asardes · November 2016

Nocturnalan wrote: »

I don't use repentance, is that a must have?

In PVE yes. In PVP the other morph is more useful, since usually enemy players don't die in sufficient numbers, unless someone has just nuked a noob zerg with some Shooting Star-Vicious Death combo

Alucardo · November 2016

Nocturnalan wrote: »

I don't use repentance, is that a must have?

Your stamina friends would thank you if you did. I run it on my templar tank and drain after every trash wipe, so the healer can slot something else instead. But it's a very useful if at least someone in the group is running repentance.

UrQuan · November 2016

I have yet to use this monster set myself, but I've been in groups where someone was running it, and I really noticed it making a difference. It simply let the healer spend less time healing and more time buffing/DPSing.

Nocturnalan · November 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

Nocturnalan wrote: »

I don't use repentance, is that a must have?

Your stamina friends would thank you if you did. I run it on my templar tank and drain after every trash wipe, so the healer can slot something else instead. But it's a very useful if at least someone in the group is running repentance.

I do throw Shards, apparently more-so than most healers and am thanked for it regularly plus I like the DPS they do. I've only ran as a healer and don't know how other healers play so I'll take all the info I can get.

Danksta · November 2016

Nocturnalan wrote: »

I don't use repentance, is that a must have?

Pretty much. During trash pulls regeneration and repentance should be enough to keep your group alive, allowing you to do some DPS.

Cinbri · November 2016

It is bad. Simply, bad.

UrQuan · November 2016

Nocturnalan wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Nocturnalan wrote: »

I don't use repentance, is that a must have?

Your stamina friends would thank you if you did. I run it on my templar tank and drain after every trash wipe, so the healer can slot something else instead. But it's a very useful if at least someone in the group is running repentance.

I do throw Shards, apparently more-so than most healers and am thanked for it regularly plus I like the DPS they do. I've only ran as a healer and don't know how other healers play so I'll take all the info I can get.

Throwing Shards is great - when I'm healing on a Templar I like it for the same reasons as you (it's a decent contribution to the group's DPS and folks seem to like picking it up). Repentance is also almost always worth taking. In fights with lots of adds it provides a pretty strong heal and stamina replenishment, and even in fights with very few corpses to repent it can be worth using if you have a free slot. It passively increases all of your recovery just for being slotted (not by a ton, but hey it's still useful), and most importantly it has zero cost to use. So even if you're only repenting a couple of corpses here and there, it still makes your sustain better as a healer.

If you're going to be doing mostly fights without a lot of adds and you would really rather use that slot on your bar for something else, that's fine too. But most of the time it's a good idea to use Repentance.

Taleof2Cities · November 2016

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

chokethorn sounds like an interesting set for a healer ... the one i really want to test out though is Troll King ... both sets i think could be great on a healer also for a 5 piece ... farm for Spell Power Cure ( found in white gold tower ) pretty much a "go to" set for healers

With the availability of Spell Power Cure (SPC) in jewelry now, that opens up a whole lot of possibilities with another 5-piece set (crafted or overland) ... or 2-piece monster set like Chokethorn.

Sure, the jewelry is not easy to farm in White Gold Tower ... but it's worth it, IMHO. If you haven't done the initial White Gold Tower quest, there's a blue SPC necklace as a quest reward ...

My healer is running 5-piece SPC, 5-piece Kagrenac's, and 1-piece Iceheart ... and that works for both PvE and PvP.

EDIT: I also run Shards, Repentence, Warhorn, and Barrier in vet dungeons and trials ...

Taleof2Cities · November 2016

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Doomslinger781 · November 2016

It seems like the best healer set in monster gear right now. It even procs off of basic attacks. That being said I refuse to use it, and took troll king instead. I just don't enjoy little RNG plant enemies popping up to do my job for me.

s7732425ub17_ESO · November 2016

Nocturnalan wrote: »

I don't use repentance, is that a must have?

A Templar healer who doesn't use Repentance is just plain sad. If it's not on your bar, you are currently in scrub level healing land.

idk · November 2016

Personally, if I were to try a run set for healing it would probably be Sentinel of Rkugamz Set. It heals multiple allies in the area and provides stam as well
More untility.

It's not seriously trial healing gear but you can have fun with it.

And yes, repentance is good. Often the only heal I use in a 4 man.

UrQuan · November 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Personally, if I were to try a run set for healing it would probably be Sentinel of Rkugamz Set. It heals multiple allies in the area and provides stam as well
More untility.

It's not seriously trial healing gear but you can have fun with it.

And yes, repentance is good. Often the only heal I use in a 4 man.

I'm not really impressed with the Sentinel set. It sounds good on paper, but the range of healing/stam recovery is fairly low, and there's a good chance that the people who need it will be out of range. Chokethorn will heal people from farther away, heals for much more, and procs more often.

Oakmontowls_ESO · November 2016

Nocturnalan wrote: »

I guess I just cant stand the blinding factor, I absolutely hate it when my entire screen is bright green. It does proc very often, seems like 75% of the time, in fact everything Monster related seems to proc much more than advertised (unless they are procing based on every tick and not every cast then it would make sense).

Are you playing in first person?

Bigevilpeter · November 2016

As a pro healer, I can say that no full monster set is better than a 5-5-1 sets.

If you wield a destro and a resto staffs you can't have 2 full sets and a monster set.

Also there comes to a point where the extra healing becomes useless, whats is most important is the team utility u provide, so spell power cure is a must then inaflliable aether or worm would be good too. Add to it chokethorn helm for magika recovery or kena for damage or another for health. The extra healing is useless with this setup you can already out heal anything that isnt a one shot

danno8 · November 2016

FYI, my testing from PTS over a month ago.

danno8 wrote: »

Here is my testing for the last 30 minutes. #1 will surprise you!

1. It does not proc off of Honour the Dead (lol) This must be a bug, and I submitted it. Must have done 100 casts of HtD while taking damage just to be sure, but could not get it to proc.

2. It does not proc off of Puncturing Sweeps. Again tried and tried while in combat, does not proc. Makes sense I guess.

3. It procs off of every Resto staff skill, except for Siphon. It will not proc on the cast nor the return heal when you attack.

4. It does proc off of Purifying Ritual cast. But never the HoT component, which by the way...

5. It only procs off the cast of a HoT, not any of the HoT ticks.

I have to say overall I found the set to be underwhelming, due to the 10s cooldown and the "per cast" restriction. The two restrictions together make the set proc only every 20 seconds or so. Unlike say, Malubeth, this set also does not scale well at all with the more damage you take.

Caff32 · November 2016

If you're running dungeons, it's a fine set, as is the dwemer thing.

If you're running trials, go with 2 five piece sets and leave the monster helm at home.

SquareSausage · November 2016

I simply wear 1 piece chokethorn for magicka recovery and dont bother about a dumb plant providing random heals and then 5 part Spell Power Cure and 5 Worm's Raimnents.

I agree with above, 2 5 piece sets are better than a RNG heal. Obv if you dual wielding it becomes possible to get the 5/5/2

Nocturnalan · November 2016

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

Nocturnalan wrote: »

I guess I just cant stand the blinding factor, I absolutely hate it when my entire screen is bright green. It does proc very often, seems like 75% of the time, in fact everything Monster related seems to proc much more than advertised (unless they are procing based on every tick and not every cast then it would make sense).

Are you playing in first person?

3rd person zoomed out to the max.

Nocturnalan · November 2016

After playing with it more I do like the fact that if someone runs out of range the plant will switch to another person.

I'm still working on completing a 5pc. set.