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ESO Deceptively Expensive
Ankahet
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So, the great things about the game, are that you can buy it for relatively cheap (now days) and basically play for free. That is, if you dont wish any of the DLC. But even still to gain access to this, it's only 15 bucksa month which is the same as most pay to play MMO's. However, this is not where the issue lies. The other day, I decided that changing race would be better for my healer. I decided I wanted it to be an argonian.
To preface this, I am an ESO+ member and have access to all of the DLC, races, classes etc. So I go to the crown store and purchase a race change. Only to find out that even owning access to all the DLC, I cannot freely change from a wood elf to an argonian, I must additionally purchase the "Any Race, Any Class" item. Well, having dumped 25 bucks in already, and really wanting the change, I went ahead and got the started pack that included said item. Well, there is no crown amount for that amoiunt, so, I had to buy another 30 bucks worth of crowns.
So we are 55 dollars in now, and that doesnt include a name change either, if I wanted a name change, it'd cost me another 30. So to completely remodel a charatcer it costs you around 85 bucks...
Zenimax/Bethesda, are you aware that this is the cost of almost 3/4ths a years sub, half of a car payment, 1/4th of a rent payment... For as young as this game still is, this is much too expensive for people to have interest in these services more than once. Also, if I am subbed and have all the races/classes, why do I need to purchase something extra to be able to choose a different race? That should automatically be included in the race change. Your pricing for these things is beyond highway robbery.
To preface this, I am an ESO+ member and have access to all of the DLC, races, classes etc. So I go to the crown store and purchase a race change. Only to find out that even owning access to all the DLC, I cannot freely change from a wood elf to an argonian, I must additionally purchase the "Any Race, Any Class" item. Well, having dumped 25 bucks in already, and really wanting the change, I went ahead and got the started pack that included said item. Well, there is no crown amount for that amoiunt, so, I had to buy another 30 bucks worth of crowns.
So we are 55 dollars in now, and that doesnt include a name change either, if I wanted a name change, it'd cost me another 30. So to completely remodel a charatcer it costs you around 85 bucks...
Zenimax/Bethesda, are you aware that this is the cost of almost 3/4ths a years sub, half of a car payment, 1/4th of a rent payment... For as young as this game still is, this is much too expensive for people to have interest in these services more than once. Also, if I am subbed and have all the races/classes, why do I need to purchase something extra to be able to choose a different race? That should automatically be included in the race change. Your pricing for these things is beyond highway robbery.
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ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So we are 55 dollars in now, and that doesnt include a name change either, if I wanted a name change, it'd cost me another 30. So to completely remodel a charatcer it costs you around 85 bucks....
The solution here is, deal with what you give yourself. There's a character creation screen for a reason, you are given the time to be as happy with your character as you can be. You weren't meant to be able to just up and completely change them after the fact originally, but Zenimax gave into community demand, but things always have to come at a price right?
If you were so intent on recreating your character as a new race with even a new name, then you would have been better off just creating a new Argonian.
And, correct me if I'm wrong, but the Race and Name Chance token is actually only $35.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
Quest Objective: OMG Go Talk To That Kitty!6 -
yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You can get explorer pack for less than 3 bucks at g2a.com not anyones fault you sidnt researchTl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.8 -
Ankahet✭✭So we are 55 dollars in now, and that doesnt include a name change either, if I wanted a name change, it'd cost me another 30. So to completely remodel a charatcer it costs you around 85 bucks....
The solution here is, deal with what you give yourself. There's a character creation screen for a reason, you are given the time to be as happy with your character as you can be. You weren't meant to be able to just up and completely change them after the fact originally, but Zenimax gave into community demand, but things always have to come at a price right?
If you were so intent on recreating your character as a new race with even a new name, then you would have been better off just creating a new Argonian.
And, correct me if I'm wrong, but the Race and Name Chance token is actually only $35.
Yes that is true, originally I wasnt interested in the name change. So technically, you are correct it would only cost a total of about 65 dollars. My mistake on misrepresenting there, but even that is much too expensive. I can go play the game Ive played for a decade, spend 35 bucks, and change its race, name faction and class.
I paid for it because I wanted it, figured it would give me an edge. I see no need to reroll a second character, level it all the way to 50, do all the same work over again to make it the same class I already have. Id rather just pay a bit of money to change the one I put the work into over. But that kind of money is asking too much. I wont be doing it again. Games are all well and good, and yes services should come at a price, but charging that much for it, is unreasonable.
Companies need to understand that the majority of gamers are just every day people. We dont own Bugati's and Lambo's. Dont charge us an arm and a leg for some simple service.0 -
Stoopid_Nwah✭✭✭✭Where the heck are you that rent is <400
?! Haha but on a serious note yeah, I got the race change a bit ago and was a bit shocked about the whole race change needing the adventure pack as well. It didn't matter to me personally, but seems a bit of a ripoff. 2 -
nine9six✭✭✭✭✭
✭This is a cheap (relatively speaking) hobby.Wake up, we're here. Why are you shaking? Are you ok? Wake up...1 -
Ankahet✭✭Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »Where the heck are you that rent is <400?! Haha but on a serious note yeah, I got the race change a bit ago and was a bit shocked about the whole race change needing the adventure pack as well. It didn't matter to me personally, but seems a bit of a ripoff.
Live in Iowa, there are a lot of new prefabs that rent for cheap here. I own my house but there are a lot of new developments going up with pretty affordable rates and such. Its nice to see actually.0 -
Unsent.Soul✭✭✭✭✭
✭You're comparing owning bugattis and lambos to a race/name change?
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lolo_01b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭In my opinion prices are totally fine. The core components of the game are quite cheap while stuff that only has visual impact but doesn't change game mechanics is expensive.5 -
Stoopid_Nwah✭✭✭✭
Wow...my rent is a solid 4x that, and it's only a 1bdr apt haha. Maybe city life isn't all that greatStoopid_Nwah wrote: »Where the heck are you that rent is <400?! Haha but on a serious note yeah, I got the race change a bit ago and was a bit shocked about the whole race change needing the adventure pack as well. It didn't matter to me personally, but seems a bit of a ripoff.
Live in Iowa, there are a lot of new prefabs that rent for cheap here. I own my house but there are a lot of new developments going up with pretty affordable rates and such. Its nice to see actually.
...alas sorry for the derail, but yes race change+name change+possible adventure pack makes me think just levelling a new alt and taking the time to max mages guild again is worth it. 0 -
MerkzM8✭✭✭If you keep complaining about wanting to change your characters race but you don't want to waste money, then don't. Zenimax have been making it progressively easier to level an alt and now you can get an alt to level 50 within about 6-7 hours, so instead of complaining about having to spend money to change your race, make an alt."What is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?" - Paarthurnax0 -
Ankahet✭✭lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »In my opinion prices are totally fine. The core components of the game are quite cheap while stuff that only has visual impact but doesn't change game mechanics is expensive.
Other than the act that races come with advantages to abilities right?0 -
Ankahet✭✭Unsent.Soul wrote: »You're comparing owning bugattis and lambos to a race/name change?
Not at all, I am saying that average people working average jobs shouldnt have to pay over half a c-note for something on a game.1 -
MerkzM8✭✭✭Not to mention you're acting like your REQUIRED to spend your money, if you don't want to spend your money, don't spend it."What is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?" - Paarthurnax0
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Ankahet✭✭Not to mention you're acting like your REQUIRED to spend your money, if you don't want to spend your money, don't spend it.
I am making the point that more afforable services would result in more revenue for the company, simply from an increase in customers using those services rather than having an astronomical price for them.
Think about it on a larger, scale, and one easier to comprehend. If you own a store such as Office Max, or Staples, and sell laptops. Do you make more money by selling the 2000 dollar laptop every 3 months, or selling 8 of the 500 dollar laptops each month?
The liklelyhood that youll sell the more expensive item consistently is less by nature of the consumer, than it is selling the more affordable item. With laptops performance of said item is a factor, but the idea is basically the same. You can believe that your merchandise and services are worth whatever you wish to believe, fact of the matter is, youll do more business with affordability than you will with the prices you believe and you want.Edited by Ankahet on November 9, 2016 3:03AM0 -
MerkzM8✭✭✭Yet you're one of the only people I really see complaining about the prices, yes it's heafty, but it's supposed to be a premium service and not one that you should be able to do every day. And if zenimax felt they weren't making enough money, they would have lowered the prices already, they have the numbers, you do not. Who do you think knows more, the developers who have EVERY single number and total amount of money gained openly available to them, or some random guy on the forums?"What is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?" - Paarthurnax0
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✭✭Lol Just wait until it's a couple weeks later and you realize Argonian was the wrong choice.2 -
Ankahet✭✭Yet you're one of the only people I really see complaining about the prices, yes it's heafty, but it's supposed to be a premium service and not one that you should be able to do every day. And if zenimax felt they weren't making enough money, they would have lowered the prices already, they have the numbers, you do not. Who do you think knows more, the developers who have EVERY single number and total amount of money gained openly available to them, or some random guy on the forums?
I am simply pointing out facts that have worked, and been proven on a macro-economic scale, for decades, yet you feel the need to sit here and be insulting. There are many, many instances where the company believes they know what is best, so they do what is best and the product, service, or company itself tanks faster than the titanic. Everquest 2 was one of them, so was Tera, WoW has been going downhill for years. They arent, and didnt listen to their customers and their customers are leaving, or have left already.
I implore you, buy a bag of watermelons, a box of light bulbs, anything really. Because as per this particular argument I make, everything is relative. No, I dont NEED a race change, but it would better facilitate the character and style of play.
People dont NEED light bulbs, but it makes carrying out tasks easier as it provides improved visibility. Take that batch of bulbs, and try selling them for 10 bucks each. I am sure you will quickly find people whom present the argument they are too expensive, and they can go to another store/merchant to aquire them at a price that is vastly more reasonable than yours.1 -
Ankahet✭✭KingYogi415 wrote: »Lol Just wait until it's a couple weeks later and you realize Argonian was the wrong choice.
Even so, I spend a majority of my time healing, the cases where I actually get a DPS queue are slim to none. Besides, I like the lizards. If you listen to them during the dungeons, they are quite funny XD
"Uhhh, boss, I dont think hes listening"
This is going to be easy, get ready!
"Why isnt it ever easy?"0 -
yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lol risk getting banned or info stolen? TKe off your tin hat, i personally know more than 10 people who have bought both the game and explorer pack from g2a, so when you buy the game on steam you get banned?Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.0 -
Ankahet✭✭Lol risk getting banned or info stolen? TKe off your tin hat, i personally know more than 10 people who have bought both the game and explorer pack from g2a, so when you buy the game on steam you get banned?
Other than steam has been authorized to sell it. I havent seen anything about 3rd party sites being authorized.0 -
Acrolas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So what's the healer's original race?
Anyway, ZOS is basically giving DLC away now, so don't waste money on it. ZOS is probably going to start giving away additional character slots away. But even if they don't, that's still the best strategic purchase in the game. The more characters you have, the more likely you are to have the right tool for a specific job.
The only thing I feel ZOS should give away is free voice changes, because I feel the samples are misleading compared to the actual in-game audio. You shouldn't have to nuke a created character because it sounded cute in the preview but actually sounds like it's vomiting in combat.signing off1 -
Ankahet✭✭So what's the healer's original race?
Anyway, ZOS is basically giving DLC away now, so don't waste money on it. ZOS is probably going to start giving away additional character slots away. But even if they don't, that's still the best strategic purchase in the game. The more characters you have, the more likely you are to have the right tool for a specific job.
The only thing I feel ZOS should give away is free voice changes, because I feel the samples are misleading compared to the actual in-game audio. You shouldn't have to nuke a created character because it sounded cute in the preview but actually sounds like it's vomiting in combat.
Ive noticed that too, the sample audio files are pretty inaccurate when compared to the rest of the library ingame.
The original race was wood elf. Wanted it for templar, but then quickly came to find that the queue times for dps in this game are worse by far than any I have ever played. And thats when the LFD system is working correctly and doesnt screw up, put us all on CD and never port us into the dungeon. =/Edited by Ankahet on November 9, 2016 3:37AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭You could build a tank build around the Bosmer then create a new healer. That would avoid the DPS queue bottleneck from both sides.signing off0 -
Ankahet✭✭So what's the healer's original race?
Anyway, ZOS is basically giving DLC away now, so don't waste money on it. ZOS is probably going to start giving away additional character slots away. But even if they don't, that's still the best strategic purchase in the game. The more characters you have, the more likely you are to have the right tool for a specific job.
The only thing I feel ZOS should give away is free voice changes, because I feel the samples are misleading compared to the actual in-game audio. You shouldn't have to nuke a created character because it sounded cute in the preview but actually sounds like it's vomiting in combat.
Ive noticed that too, the sample audio files are pretty inaccurate when compared to the rest of the library ingame.
The original race was wood elf.You could build a tank build around the Bosmer then create a new healer. That would avoid the DPS queue bottleneck from both sides.
That is true, but, being honest, I know absolutely nothing about tanking in this game. XD0 -
MerkzM8✭✭✭Yet you're one of the only people I really see complaining about the prices, yes it's heafty, but it's supposed to be a premium service and not one that you should be able to do every day. And if zenimax felt they weren't making enough money, they would have lowered the prices already, they have the numbers, you do not. Who do you think knows more, the developers who have EVERY single number and total amount of money gained openly available to them, or some random guy on the forums?
I am simply pointing out facts that have worked, and been proven on a macro-economic scale, for decades, yet you feel the need to sit here and be insulting. There are many, many instances where the company believes they know what is best, so they do what is best and the product, service, or company itself tanks faster than the titanic. Everquest 2 was one of them, so was Tera, WoW has been going downhill for years. They arent, and didnt listen to their customers and their customers are leaving, or have left already.
I implore you, buy a bag of watermelons, a box of light bulbs, anything really. Because as per this particular argument I make, everything is relative. No, I dont NEED a race change, but it would better facilitate the character and style of play.
People dont NEED light bulbs, but it makes carrying out tasks easier as it provides improved visibility. Take that batch of bulbs, and try selling them for 10 bucks each. I am sure you will quickly find people whom present the argument they are too expensive, and they can go to another store/merchant to aquire them at a price that is vastly more reasonable than yours.
Not once was I being "insulting". Also you bring up the point of emplying that Zenimax not listening to their customers will be their downfall, yet that's all they've been doing since Tamriel Unlimited has dropped. Customers (in large scale might I add) asked for dueling, they got it. Customers asked for normal dungeons to be upgraded to vet, they got it. You act like zenimax never listen to their customers, yet it's probably one of their strong points. If something is in high demand from the customers, you bet zenimax are gonna respond and work with the customers and players. What you want isn't in high demand, no one else but you is complaining about prices. I mean they purposely unprice their DLC so people can get ingame content at a cheap price and if they feel the are in an economic situation where they have extra cash to spend, they can. But in no way is Zenimax FORCING you to spend money on things in the crown store, everything the crown store offers you can get ingame and the cost of nothing (this only applies to things such as consumables and what not), it just might take a little longer. If you want a Race Change so badly then make an alt or stop being a cheap petty little boy and spend the money like everyone else. Case closed.Edited by MerkzM8 on November 9, 2016 3:49AM"What is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?" - Paarthurnax2 -
Ankahet✭✭Yet you're one of the only people I really see complaining about the prices, yes it's heafty, but it's supposed to be a premium service and not one that you should be able to do every day. And if zenimax felt they weren't making enough money, they would have lowered the prices already, they have the numbers, you do not. Who do you think knows more, the developers who have EVERY single number and total amount of money gained openly available to them, or some random guy on the forums?
I am simply pointing out facts that have worked, and been proven on a macro-economic scale, for decades, yet you feel the need to sit here and be insulting. There are many, many instances where the company believes they know what is best, so they do what is best and the product, service, or company itself tanks faster than the titanic. Everquest 2 was one of them, so was Tera, WoW has been going downhill for years. They arent, and didnt listen to their customers and their customers are leaving, or have left already.
I implore you, buy a bag of watermelons, a box of light bulbs, anything really. Because as per this particular argument I make, everything is relative. No, I dont NEED a race change, but it would better facilitate the character and style of play.
People dont NEED light bulbs, but it makes carrying out tasks easier as it provides improved visibility. Take that batch of bulbs, and try selling them for 10 bucks each. I am sure you will quickly find people whom present the argument they are too expensive, and they can go to another store/merchant to aquire them at a price that is vastly more reasonable than yours.
Not once was I being "insulting". Also you bring up the point of emplying that Zenimax not listening to their customers will be their downfall, yet that's all they've been doing since Tamriel Unlimited has dropped. Customers (in large scale might I add) asked for dueling, they got it. Customers asked for normal dungeons to be upgraded to vet, they got it. You act like zenimax never listen to their customers, yet it's probably one of their strong points. If something is in high demand from the customers, you bet zenimax are gonna respond and work with the customers and players. What you want isn't in high demand, no one else but you is complaining about prices. I mean they purposely unprice their DLC so people can get ingame content at a cheap price and if they feel the are in an economic situation where they have extra cash to spend, they can. But in no way is Zenimax FORCING you to spend money on things in the crown store, everything the crown store offers you can get ingame and the cost of nothing (this only applies to things such as consumables and what not), it just might take a little longer. If you want a Race Change so badly then make an alt or stop being a cheap petty little boy and spend the money like everyone else. Case closed.
Since youd like to continue to be insulting, fine. I did spend the money, or did you not deduce that from your inability to read and comprehend? In which case I suggest you go back to school to relearn it. Anyhow, No longer replying to you, it is a waste of time.
I havent had any other problems with anyone else in this thread other than you. Even the guy whom said to try buying from a 3rd party site. I simply stated the reasons I didnt wish to do that. But you, you are being an ***.Edited by Ankahet on November 9, 2016 3:58AM0 -
MerkzM8✭✭✭Now he comes calling me innapropriate names simply because he cannot reply to me because I'm 100% correct. Come up with some constructive criticism next time instead of name calling buddy. I wish you a good night and expect this thread to be taken down soon
Edited by MerkzM8 on November 9, 2016 4:03AM"What is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?" - Paarthurnax0 -
Stoopid_Nwah✭✭✭✭If you want a Race Change so badly then make an alt or stop being a cheap petty little boy and spend the money like everyone else. Case closed.
You're both being insulting tbh, but it's making for an entertaining read.But you, you are being an ***.
Would it be nice if a race change came as any race automatically? Sure. Would it be nice if it were say 1000 crowns instead? Of course. But the truth is you don't need a specific race to do content; any race in decent gear/maxed out can do every bit of content. So when I purchased my race change, I was a bit irritated about the cost, but I still paid it and didn't complain. Why? Because I didn't need it, I wanted it, and didn't feel like going through the hassle to level up an alt, max skill lines (max mages guild, and max undaunted).
The only thing I would see as a possible complaint is if there is no warning before purchasing the race change that if you don't have the adventurer pack you won't have all the choices opened up (including imperial). That then imo is sort of *****.
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