Changes to magicka in next update

thankyourat · November 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

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Strider_Roshin wrote: »

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Strider_Roshin wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

I hope they buff my magblade. It needs some love in PvP

Not even a little.

I would be fine with them nerfing all the classes to magblade level as well, but right now magblades are struggling. If they don't do something there won't be any left. Are you saying magblades are fine?

That's exactly what I'm saying.

Do you play magblade? I don't think you have spent much time playing magblade. Unless you think those crazy 4k swallow soul crits are op. Or the fact that all your burst is reliant on a ultimate that cost 200 ult. I don't understand where you are coming from. They lack burst damage unless you play melee but then you lack sustain damage. Every class hits harder than magblade except mag dk. You can be survivable but it's no more than any other class. As it is right now magblade is just a weaker magsorc. Or if melee a weaker stamina character.

Magblade are the only mag class that can get near 3k spell dmg with like 52k magicka.

Also assassins will procs are op.

Lol. Not like to set up assassins will isn't clunky as hell. Not like all that effort to activate skill, do 4 light attacks and activate skill again just to have it blocked, dodged, or reflected. In the time it takes to get it off more damage could be done using a more reliable skill. I think nb is only class that has such a skill that requires extreme micromanagement for such a lousy payoff.

As for 52k magicka. Getting 52k magicka requires serious sacrifice to regen. If your goal is to Max mana pools Your better off going with sorc which has better burst and sustain.

No it doesn't, it's not hard to get 50k+ magicka and sustain just fine...

It's not too hard to activate, any light attacks on any bar, you can medium weave a resto to make sure it hits 100% of the time.

The problem with blocking/dodging or reflected is on you, ofc you cc them before you use it, thats the blocked gone, the reflected if your own timing and the only way it can be dodged if via shuffle/double take.

Also siphoning attacks > all sorc sustain.

I agree with siphoning attacks being kind of op. My magblade will never run out of stamina. But sorcs having such high burst damage they can afford to run a cost reduction glyph since the base damage of their abilities are higher they don't need as much spell damage, they can also run harness magicka instead of dampen because they have 2 shields. Where as a magblade it's best to run dampen to get the biggest shield possible. In the end it kind of evens out to where magblades have a bit better resource management, but sorcs have a little better burst damage and defensive capabilities. But assassins will is very clunky sometimes it just doesn't fire kind of like how staff attacks miss for no reason assassins will does the same thing

KramUzibra · November 2016

thankyourat wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

I hope they buff my magblade. It needs some love in PvP

Not even a little.

I would be fine with them nerfing all the classes to magblade level as well, but right now magblades are struggling. If they don't do something there won't be any left. Are you saying magblades are fine?

Yes they are fine

Tryxus · November 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

I hope they buff my magblade. It needs some love in PvP

Not even a little.

I would be fine with them nerfing all the classes to magblade level as well, but right now magblades are struggling. If they don't do something there won't be any left. Are you saying magblades are fine?

That's exactly what I'm saying.

Do you play magblade? I don't think you have spent much time playing magblade. Unless you think those crazy 4k swallow soul crits are op. Or the fact that all your burst is reliant on a ultimate that cost 200 ult. I don't understand where you are coming from. They lack burst damage unless you play melee but then you lack sustain damage. Every class hits harder than magblade except mag dk. You can be survivable but it's no more than any other class. As it is right now magblade is just a weaker magsorc. Or if melee a weaker stamina character.

Magblade are the only mag class that can get near 3k spell dmg with like 52k magicka.

Also assassins will procs are op.

All wrong:

- Sorcs have more Spell Damage than a MagBlade (Expert Mage)
- Sorcs have more Magicka as well (Bound Aegis)
- The Minor Berserk buff that Merciless Resolve gives is redundant since Combat Prayer gives the same buff
- While Assassin's Will is very strong indeed, it needs to be procced manually: 4 Light/Heavy Attacks. (Can be achieved by weaving). However, the Sorc counterpart Crystal Frags is procced automatically with skill usage meaning Sorcs have a chance to use it more often during the same amount of weaves (ie more damage)

thankyourat · November 2016

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Mag blade are all about play style. They are very strong imo. Lol spamming swallow soul?

If you're stacking magicka to 50k, use light attack weaves with destro and do

La ss/ la cripple/ la lotus or agony / la fear or crushing shock / assassins will / execute. Good combo considering you rooted and stunned. If they survive and you they get close just port to your shade start over.

But see that's the problem I can't wait to kill everyone with a meteor assassins will combo. If I'm fighting 3 or 4 players i will need to kill some of them with my regular abilities and that's when the 1k light attack 3k swallow souls just aren't cutting it. I do have 55k magicka and the damage is still not there compared to other classes. Like stam sorc hits twice as hard. I got hit by a 10k dizzying swing and I have 2k crit resist. so at the push of a button he can hit me with damage that I need to do four light attacks to hit him with that same kind of damage. What kind of game design is that also you have to proc assassins will when you are fighting so if you are under heavy pressure by a couple players good luck 1v1 magblade is fine it's a little weaker but the single target burst potential is fine so you can get a 1 shot in if you build it up. I have no problems dueling on my magblade. Where it's hard is open world solo PvP where every stam character is better and mag sorc and magplar are also better. Can I still 1vX on my magblade, yes. Would I have a better time, get more ap, and be more successful if I switched to a stamina character, yes.

Grymmoire · November 2016

What really puzzles me is ZOS devs or their representatives purportedly read the various threads, like this one regarding class and skill\ability balance (or so we hope).

Just how difficult is it to run weekly, monthly or quarterly spreadsheets of exactly which classes are being played the most? And if there exists a demonstrable lack of one or more class\races being played, should that not trigger a question in their minds of why?

Of course obtaining equality in balance could all be an illusion or not even a desired outcome from the devs perspective; it could also be that reports of underutilized classes and races is wrong. But somehow after being here since Beta and observing which classes and races seem to be most pronounced, imo, I feel the players know what they are reporting to be true.

Zach2322 · November 2016

Tryxus wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

I hope they buff my magblade. It needs some love in PvP

Not even a little.

I would be fine with them nerfing all the classes to magblade level as well, but right now magblades are struggling. If they don't do something there won't be any left. Are you saying magblades are fine?

That's exactly what I'm saying.

Do you play magblade? I don't think you have spent much time playing magblade. Unless you think those crazy 4k swallow soul crits are op. Or the fact that all your burst is reliant on a ultimate that cost 200 ult. I don't understand where you are coming from. They lack burst damage unless you play melee but then you lack sustain damage. Every class hits harder than magblade except mag dk. You can be survivable but it's no more than any other class. As it is right now magblade is just a weaker magsorc. Or if melee a weaker stamina character.

Magblade are the only mag class that can get near 3k spell dmg with like 52k magicka.

Also assassins will procs are op.

All wrong:

- Sorcs have more Spell Damage than a MagBlade (Expert Mage)
- Sorcs have more Magicka as well (Bound Aegis)
- The Minor Berserk buff that Merciless Resolve gives is redundant since Combat Prayer gives the same buff
- While Assassin's Will is very strong indeed, it needs to be procced manually: 4 Light/Heavy Attacks. (Can be achieved by weaving). However, the Sorc counterpart Crystal Frags is procced automatically with skill usage meaning Sorcs have a chance to use it more often during the same amount of weaves (ie more damage)

Magblade has a passive that gives them the 8% Magick a for having a siphoning skill slotted, sorc has to dead slot aegis. In the end it's the set magika. However, sorc has more damage because of its passive to gain spell damage for having class skills slotted while mag blades get critical for having skills from one skill line. Mag blade is in a bad spot but atleast it has ultimate generation and better group utility that. The sorc does.

I wish they would buff up the magicka skills to bensure on part with stamina or just stop over over buffing stamina with proc sets

Didaco · November 2016

Zos please... Do whatever you want for the balance's sake, just DON'T add any magicka proc set to counter the ones that stamina currently has.

Don't let this game become entirely based on procs.

thankyourat · November 2016

KramUzibra wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

I hope they buff my magblade. It needs some love in PvP

Not even a little.

I would be fine with them nerfing all the classes to magblade level as well, but right now magblades are struggling. If they don't do something there won't be any left. Are you saying magblades are fine?

Yes they are fine

Just curious what order would you rank the classes in terms of PvP effectiveness?

Patouf · November 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Magblade are the only mag class that can get near 3k spell dmg with like 52k magicka.

Also assassins will procs are op.

MagSorc/MagBlade goes higher than this numbers

MagBlade does not need a buff but they need good suitable sets for its gameplay/style.

They are probably the best mag class even if they can go 1 vs x and they can not put 50k+ dps, because 50k+ dps and 1 vs x is all about broken or too strong sets.

alephthiago · November 2016

1 - I main a magblade and assassins will is really clunky, first of all by the time i can fire 1 assassins will while dodging, cloacking cc-breaking and etc sorcs can proc 2 or 3 frags (that stuns while assassins will doesnt).
2 - If you decide to play magblade as a sorc you are going to have a hard time because sorcs have a full anti-approach/anti-melee kit (mines, lightning form, streak and rune prison) while nbs have...fear?
3 - Magblades in my opinion only work melee if you go heavy and doing that you sacrifice crit, regen and penetration and end up hitting even weaker than before and at the same time you cant dodge as stamina classes...so...is kinda of a placeless playstyle.

So yeah, magblades are really in a undefined/kinda hard place in open world pvp, you have sustain but dont hit hard enough to finish the job a lot of times.

Birdovic · November 2016

alephthiago wrote: »

1 - I main a magblade and assassins will is really clunky, first of all by the time i can fire 1 assassins will while dodging, cloacking cc-breaking and etc sorcs can proc 2 or 3 frags (that stuns while assassins will doesnt).
2 - If you decide to play magblade as a sorc you are going to have a hard time because sorcs have a full anti-approach/anti-melee kit (mines, lightning form, streak and rune prison) while nbs have...fear?
3 - Magblades in my opinion only work melee if you go heavy and doing that you sacrifice crit, regen and penetration and end up hitting even weaker than before and at the same time you cant dodge as stamina classes...so...is kinda of a placeless playstyle.

1 - Chrystal Frags are easier to spot(avoid) and can be reflected. Also your assassins will comes with a great Minor Berserk, and is better for timing attacks since it has no 4sec until the cast time is back like on a fragment, which also removes the reduced cost and increased damage.

2 - Why would a MagNb need a "anti approach kit" anyway if you have great mobility, stealth that can be combined with stuns, magicka costing evasion, teleport gap closers and a fear in case someone gap closes on you? Additionally you have a great tool called "Shades" which is pretty great for positioning.
I tell you its no fun being forced to stand inside mines and relying on shields, waiting for idiots to jump on you either.

3 - Your opinion

So yeah, magblades are really in a undefined/kinda hard place in open world pvp, you have sustain but dont hit hard enough to finish the job a lot of times.

Not undefined, but I agree they need to be looked at, just like MagSorc or MagDk.

zuto40 · November 2016

Oh god not a mdk buff, as if they arent already demigods n 1v1

zuto40 · November 2016

Remove all proc damage sets and buff stam

Cinbri · November 2016

I hope they will make dual passive to work for magicka too like before it was changed. There is something wrong when only weapon that pve magicka dps builds needs are swords. Noone need daggers or maces or axes, only swords.

Smashington357 · November 2016

I don't think magika DK needs love Magika NB does. And shields need to go to ten seconds for everyone 6 is too short.

Pallio · November 2016

Since most of us gave up on mDK a long time ago, I would hold off running out to grind one up in hopes that ZOS will buff them to the point that they are competitive. The word BUFF generally means something different to ZOS and the players. If the mDK does get better I would assume all magic builds will get better as well.

Stoopid_Nwah · November 2016

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

I hope they buff my magblade. It needs some love in PvP

Not even a little.

I wouldn't hate however if weaving with swallow soul wasn't busted. And if dots and single target abilities didn't pull me out of cloak. And if merciless resolve automatically refreshed after I fire it off. Oh and if I could hit someone with something other than a lightning staff and meteor agony combo, rather than just seeing dodge dodge dodge.

But otherwise yeah, doing just fine.

Egonieser · November 2016

thankyourat wrote: »

I hope they buff my magblade. It needs some love in PvP

Magblade is fine if played right. It was never designed to be a one-shot burster (except for VD/Product/tether combo).
Magblade is sustained, constant bombardment, harasser. Permainvisible, debuffs you to no end and laughs in your face.
Despite my Stamblade being able to instagib people, my magblades survivability is 3x bigger and also resource management because as we all know, most class skills are magicka based.

Strider_Roshin · November 2016

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

I hope they buff my magblade. It needs some love in PvP

Not even a little.

I wouldn't hate however if weaving with swallow soul wasn't busted. And if dots and single target abilities didn't pull me out of cloak. And if merciless resolve automatically refreshed after I fire it off. Oh and if I could hit someone with something other than a lightning staff and meteor agony combo, rather than just seeing dodge dodge dodge.

But otherwise yeah, doing just fine.

Weaving has been pretty buggy for me on my Stamblade ever since the animation priority nonsense was placed in this game. In reference to the dodging, that's probably due to your distance from your opponent, and your opponent's movement. The same happens to me with my poison injection, and Assassin's Scourge.

KaleidoscopeEyz · November 2016

Do you play magblade? I don't think you have spent much time playing magblade. Unless you think those crazy 4k swallow soul crits are op.

My swallow soul does more than that uncrit. The do about 6.6-6.8k and then the crits come in at 11.5-13.2k. You're doing something wrong.

thankyourat · November 2016

KaleidoscopeEyz wrote: »

Do you play magblade? I don't think you have spent much time playing magblade. Unless you think those crazy 4k swallow soul crits are op.

My swallow soul does more than that uncrit. The do about 6.6-6.8k and then the crits come in at 11.5-13.2k. You're doing something wrong.

I think you are thinking of your damage against npcs. It's different against players

Wreuntzylla · November 2016

Waseem wrote: »

a new set bonus with debuff to spell resist we need!!
same as sunderflame/ night mother gaze for stamina
Night Mother's Gaze Set

LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 160

(2 items) Adds 688 Weapon Critical

(3 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage

(4 items) Adds 688 Weapon Critical

(5 items) Critical attacks also reduce the target's Physical Resistance by 2580 for 6 seconds.

Sunderflame Set

LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 160

(2 items) Adds 967 Max Stamina

(3 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage

(4 items) Adds 688 Weapon Critical

(5 items) When you hit an enemy with a fully charged Heavy Attack, deal 774 Flame Damage and reduce target’s Armor by 3440 for 8 seconds.

Roar of Alkosh Set

LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 160

(2 Items) Adds 688 Weapon Critical

(3 Items) Gain Minor Slayer at all times, increasing your damage done to Dungeon and Trial Monsters by 5%.

(4 Items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage

(5 Items) When you activate a synergy, you send a shockwave from your position that deals 1720 Physical Damage and an additional 12040 Physical Damage over 10 seconds. Reduces the Physical and Spell Resistance of any enemy hit by 3010 for 10 seconds.
alkosh alone is not enough

Except that light armor 5pc comes with an almost 5k passive spell resistance debuff in concentration, while medium armor comes with a 12% weapon damage buff. What you really have to show is that the benefit from spell power sets does not match the benefit that medium armor wearers get from physical resistance debuff sets in comparison to concentration. Tough do to the inherent scaling of a percentage, but dooable with some maths.

Now, if the Sunderflame tooltip is correct and it actually reduces armor and not physical resistance, there may be an argument there.

olsborg · November 2016

Buff medium armor, or nerf destro ult. Heavy armor is too strong compared to light and medium armor. More ways to heal as stamina.

TheSeer · November 2016

Only thing I want is more magicka friendly weapons, tired of carrying staves around to restore my magicka.

arkansas_ESO · November 2016

Tryxus wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

I hope they buff my magblade. It needs some love in PvP

Not even a little.

I would be fine with them nerfing all the classes to magblade level as well, but right now magblades are struggling. If they don't do something there won't be any left. Are you saying magblades are fine?

That's exactly what I'm saying.

Do you play magblade? I don't think you have spent much time playing magblade. Unless you think those crazy 4k swallow soul crits are op. Or the fact that all your burst is reliant on a ultimate that cost 200 ult. I don't understand where you are coming from. They lack burst damage unless you play melee but then you lack sustain damage. Every class hits harder than magblade except mag dk. You can be survivable but it's no more than any other class. As it is right now magblade is just a weaker magsorc. Or if melee a weaker stamina character.

Magblade are the only mag class that can get near 3k spell dmg with like 52k magicka.

Also assassins will procs are op.

All wrong:

- Sorcs have more Spell Damage than a MagBlade (Expert Mage)
- Sorcs have more Magicka as well (Bound Aegis)
- The Minor Berserk buff that Merciless Resolve gives is redundant since Combat Prayer gives the same buff
- While Assassin's Will is very strong indeed, it needs to be procced manually: 4 Light/Heavy Attacks. (Can be achieved by weaving). However, the Sorc counterpart Crystal Frags is procced automatically with skill usage meaning Sorcs have a chance to use it more often during the same amount of weaves (ie more damage)

I've played mag NB almost exclusively since One Tamriel released, and while I don't disagree with mag NBs needing some love, I feel like I need to clear some things up:

1.) Magic NBs get an 8% increase in magic for slotting any siphoning skill, which they all do. Magic sorcs have to dedicate two slots to a toggle (Bound Aegis) for the same effect. Mag NB wins here.
2.)Combat Prayer does give the same buff as Merciless Resolve, but every magic NB already runs Merciless Resolve while a magic sorc would have to make room specifically for Combat Prayer. Magic NB wins again.
3.)Tryxus is right about frags being better than Assassin's Will--Assassin's Will needs some love here. It's awkward to proc and awkward to use.
4.) Siphoning Attacks is strictly better than what magic sorc has available to it.

RazorCaltrops · November 2016

Smashington357 wrote: »

I don't think magika DK needs love Magika NB does. And shields need to go to ten seconds for everyone 6 is too short.

One word: Not every mdk is a die hard duelist.

Tryxus · November 2016

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

2.)Combat Prayer does give the same buff as Merciless Resolve, but every magic NB already runs Merciless Resolve while a magic sorc would have to make room specifically for Combat Prayer. Magic NB wins again.

Actually, the Healer should be running Combat Prayer, not the DPS

alephthiago · November 2016

KaleidoscopeEyz wrote: »

Do you play magblade? I don't think you have spent much time playing magblade. Unless you think those crazy 4k swallow soul crits are op.

My swallow soul does more than that uncrit. The do about 6.6-6.8k and then the crits come in at 11.5-13.2k. You're doing something wrong.

Sure, buffed to 4,5k sp and on a naked target, otherwise you must be talking about pve for sure.

Solus · November 2016

I hope they NERF the SH*T out of destro ult tbh.

OR

Allow Lacerate to hit in a 15 meter circle around me and inflict bleeding damage that is the same in power to destro ult.

arkansas_ESO · November 2016

Tryxus wrote: »

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

2.)Combat Prayer does give the same buff as Merciless Resolve, but every magic NB already runs Merciless Resolve while a magic sorc would have to make room specifically for Combat Prayer. Magic NB wins again.

Actually, the Healer should be running Combat Prayer, not the DPS

My bad, should've specified I'm talking about magblade in PVP.