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What is your favorite neutral adventuring zone?
Which of the following is your overall favorite neutral zone?
Edited by defunct122216 on November 6, 2016 10:12PM What is your favorite neutral adventuring zone? 93 votes
Craglorn
10%
10 votes
Imperial City
12%
12 votes
Coldharbour
6%
6 votes
Wrothgar
51%
48 votes
Gold Coast
9%
9 votes
Hew's Bane
8%
8 votes
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✭✭Wrothgartigerofserbia wrote: »Which of the following is your overall favorite neutral zone?
Wrothgar, because it has a bit of everything just like the original zones.
Hew's Bane and Gold Coast tie for the second place, there's just not enough to do outside dailies and the short guild questlines that are not every character.
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Such as? What other zones meet the criteria? I guess you could argue that Cyrodiil meets the criteria because it's not held by any one alliance, and there's adventuring that you can do there, but it's really a PVP zone with some scattered PVE thrown in. Imperial City is different because it's much heavier on the PVE, so it fits the criteria listed a lot better (even though it's a PVP zone too).jedtb16_ESO wrote: »um... i think you may be missing a few locations there.
Oh and technically Wrothgar doesn't really meet the criteria as it's not really neutral - it's part of the Daggerfall Covenant. It's a pretty independant part of the Daggerfall Covenant, though (as evidenced by the fact that they put a call out for adventurers from across Tamriel to help solve their problems rather than invite in DC soldiers), so I think it's fine to include it in the list.
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Such as? What other zones meet the criteria? I guess you could argue that Cyrodiil meets the criteria because it's not held by any one alliance, and there's adventuring that you can do there, but it's really a PVP zone with some scattered PVE thrown in. Imperial City is different because it's much heavier on the PVE, so it fits the criteria listed a lot better (even though it's a PVP zone too).jedtb16_ESO wrote: »um... i think you may be missing a few locations there.
Oh and technically Wrothgar doesn't really meet the criteria as it's not really neutral - it's part of the Daggerfall Covenant. It's a pretty independant part of the Daggerfall Covenant, though (as evidenced by the fact that they put a call out for adventurers from across Tamriel to help solve their problems rather than invite in DC soldiers), so I think it's fine to include it in the list.
1t..... effectively its all neutral.0 -
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No. The original 15 zones are all Alliance zones where you're doing quests explicitly to aid the respective alliances. None of them could be considered neutral.jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
Such as? What other zones meet the criteria? I guess you could argue that Cyrodiil meets the criteria because it's not held by any one alliance, and there's adventuring that you can do there, but it's really a PVP zone with some scattered PVE thrown in. Imperial City is different because it's much heavier on the PVE, so it fits the criteria listed a lot better (even though it's a PVP zone too).jedtb16_ESO wrote: »um... i think you may be missing a few locations there.
Oh and technically Wrothgar doesn't really meet the criteria as it's not really neutral - it's part of the Daggerfall Covenant. It's a pretty independant part of the Daggerfall Covenant, though (as evidenced by the fact that they put a call out for adventurers from across Tamriel to help solve their problems rather than invite in DC soldiers), so I think it's fine to include it in the list.
1t..... effectively its all neutral.
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No. The original 15 zones are all Alliance zones where you're doing quests explicitly to aid the respective alliances. None of them could be considered neutral.jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
Such as? What other zones meet the criteria? I guess you could argue that Cyrodiil meets the criteria because it's not held by any one alliance, and there's adventuring that you can do there, but it's really a PVP zone with some scattered PVE thrown in. Imperial City is different because it's much heavier on the PVE, so it fits the criteria listed a lot better (even though it's a PVP zone too).jedtb16_ESO wrote: »um... i think you may be missing a few locations there.
Oh and technically Wrothgar doesn't really meet the criteria as it's not really neutral - it's part of the Daggerfall Covenant. It's a pretty independant part of the Daggerfall Covenant, though (as evidenced by the fact that they put a call out for adventurers from across Tamriel to help solve their problems rather than invite in DC soldiers), so I think it's fine to include it in the list.
1t..... effectively its all neutral.
that is your interpretation, you are welcome to it.0 -
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It's not an interpretation. Those 15 zones are explicitly territory of their respective alliances, and while questing in them the main questlines are explicitly supporting the alliance you're in. It's black and white. They are alliance territory and as such not neutral.jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
No. The original 15 zones are all Alliance zones where you're doing quests explicitly to aid the respective alliances. None of them could be considered neutral.jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
Such as? What other zones meet the criteria? I guess you could argue that Cyrodiil meets the criteria because it's not held by any one alliance, and there's adventuring that you can do there, but it's really a PVP zone with some scattered PVE thrown in. Imperial City is different because it's much heavier on the PVE, so it fits the criteria listed a lot better (even though it's a PVP zone too).jedtb16_ESO wrote: »um... i think you may be missing a few locations there.
Oh and technically Wrothgar doesn't really meet the criteria as it's not really neutral - it's part of the Daggerfall Covenant. It's a pretty independant part of the Daggerfall Covenant, though (as evidenced by the fact that they put a call out for adventurers from across Tamriel to help solve their problems rather than invite in DC soldiers), so I think it's fine to include it in the list.
1t..... effectively its all neutral.
that is your interpretation, you are welcome to it.
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✭✭✭✭✭WrothgarWrothgar is my favourite zone in the entire game.
It isn't really a fair competition, though. I love orcs, love solo PvE, love questing, love many of the returning and new characters, completely lost my cool when I found a certain mysterious letter and I'm a complete sucker for snowy areas, most likely because I never saw snow IRL.Edited by Abeille on November 6, 2016 11:00PMJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
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Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
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Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
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Craglorn has the Celestials, nothing the rest of them do or don't do can compete with that. Wrothgar can have second place because the plot and story was good there too. Coldharbour and Imperial City are too depressing, and I'm not actually keen on either the Dark Brotherhood or the Thieves Guild (as organizations. Thieves Guild has interesting characters, haven't finished Dark Brotherhood yet).#proud2BAStarObsessedLoony
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✭✭WrothgarThe one thing I miss in Wrothgar, Hew's Bane and the Gold Coast is not being able to ally ourselves with the antagonists. It seems like a missed opportunity to introduce some sort of reputation system.0 -
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✭✭✭✭WrothgarHew's Bane is ok if you can stand the damned kotu gavas. Gold coast is pretty boring imo. And Wrothgar is way better that both of them, even combined. Craglorn is not that bad, and it looks nice, but the hours of sheer frustration I had in there cannot be forgotten. and IC is all but neutral. My ignore list is filled with ppl from all alliances, just to prove this.0 -
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I think Wrothgar technically is Neutral; while Kurog may be a Covenant leader, he is quick to point out that Wrothgar is considered a "truce zone", and is therefore not covered by Alliance jurisdiction.Oh and technically Wrothgar doesn't really meet the criteria as it's not really neutral - it's part of the Daggerfall Covenant. It's a pretty independant part of the Daggerfall Covenant, though (as evidenced by the fact that they put a call out for adventurers from across Tamriel to help solve their problems rather than invite in DC soldiers), so I think it's fine to include it in the list.UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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RiddleDiddle✭✭Gold CoastI just LOVE the feeling Gold Coast gives me, it looks absolutely amazing.
Too bad like nothing can be done there except the dailies after finishing everything, that's why i would choose for Wrothgar.
BUT Gold Coast look and feel is so beautiful i HAD to vote for Gold Coast.( ﾉ ﾟｰﾟ)ﾉ My Copying Skills Are Great ヽ(ﾟｰﾟヽ)
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✭and I'm a complete sucker for snowy areas, most likely because I never saw snow IRL.
Its not as awesome as the TV can make it seem. Imagine shoveling 4 inches of sand off all your sidewalks, all the way out to your entire parking spot. Imagine mirrors reflecting sunlight into your eyes wherever you look. Imagine random spots of oil on the ground making you slip and fall. Snow can be heavy like sand, with a blinding white glare across the ground everywhere you look, and create ice patches just big enough to send you into the hard frozen concrete elbow first.
Maine, in the off season like february, is a cheap vacation and will give you all the 'winter' you will want.Xbox NA1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Wrothgarand I'm a complete sucker for snowy areas, most likely because I never saw snow IRL.
Its not as awesome as the TV can make it seem. Imagine shoveling 4 inches of sand off all your sidewalks, all the way out to your entire parking spot. Imagine mirrors reflecting sunlight into your eyes wherever you look. Imagine random spots of oil on the ground making you slip and fall. Snow can be heavy like sand, with a blinding white glare across the ground everywhere you look, and create ice patches just big enough to send you into the hard frozen concrete elbow first.
Maine, in the off season like february, is a cheap vacation and will give you all the 'winter' you will want.
I really can't travel abroad until my post graduation course is over in two years, but I'll keep Maine in mind
Every time I went to a country that has snow, I went during their summer (our winter) because it is the least busy time of the year for me and my family. But I have a friend who studies in Michigan and he said pretty much the same you did xDJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0 -
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Then you are wrong when you say IC is neutral because it is pve heavy, as it doesn't matter according to the definitions you brought forward. Each alliance seem to advance themselves through the quests therefore not neutral. Might want to check up on your own statements before bashing others
It's not an interpretation. Those 15 zones are explicitly territory of their respective alliances, and while questing in them the main questlines are explicitly supporting the alliance you're in. It's black and white. They are alliance territory and as such not neutral.jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
No. The original 15 zones are all Alliance zones where you're doing quests explicitly to aid the respective alliances. None of them could be considered neutral.jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
Such as? What other zones meet the criteria? I guess you could argue that Cyrodiil meets the criteria because it's not held by any one alliance, and there's adventuring that you can do there, but it's really a PVP zone with some scattered PVE thrown in. Imperial City is different because it's much heavier on the PVE, so it fits the criteria listed a lot better (even though it's a PVP zone too).jedtb16_ESO wrote: »um... i think you may be missing a few locations there.
Oh and technically Wrothgar doesn't really meet the criteria as it's not really neutral - it's part of the Daggerfall Covenant. It's a pretty independant part of the Daggerfall Covenant, though (as evidenced by the fact that they put a call out for adventurers from across Tamriel to help solve their problems rather than invite in DC soldiers), so I think it's fine to include it in the list.
1t..... effectively its all neutral.
that is your interpretation, you are welcome to it.
Cyrodiil is t neutral either. It is not even arguable as you prorpose, or according to your definition.Bjorn Blackbear - Master Angler - Collector - Black Market Mogul - Ebonheart Pact - Exterminatus - EU.
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They're neutral because they aren't controlled by any of the alliances - the alliances are all fighting to control them, but they can't hold them, and the territory that they "control" in those zones is constantly shifting. The entire area is a contested war zone. When you're questing in IC or battling in Cyrodiil you're fighting for the benefit of your home alliance, not for the benefit of the alliance whose territory you're in, because you're not in the territory of any alliance.
Then you are wrong when you say IC is neutral because it is pve heavy, as it doesn't matter according to the definitions you brought forward. Each alliance seem to advance themselves through the quests therefore not neutral. Might want to check up on your own statements before bashing others
It's not an interpretation. Those 15 zones are explicitly territory of their respective alliances, and while questing in them the main questlines are explicitly supporting the alliance you're in. It's black and white. They are alliance territory and as such not neutral.jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
No. The original 15 zones are all Alliance zones where you're doing quests explicitly to aid the respective alliances. None of them could be considered neutral.jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
Such as? What other zones meet the criteria? I guess you could argue that Cyrodiil meets the criteria because it's not held by any one alliance, and there's adventuring that you can do there, but it's really a PVP zone with some scattered PVE thrown in. Imperial City is different because it's much heavier on the PVE, so it fits the criteria listed a lot better (even though it's a PVP zone too).jedtb16_ESO wrote: »um... i think you may be missing a few locations there.
Oh and technically Wrothgar doesn't really meet the criteria as it's not really neutral - it's part of the Daggerfall Covenant. It's a pretty independant part of the Daggerfall Covenant, though (as evidenced by the fact that they put a call out for adventurers from across Tamriel to help solve their problems rather than invite in DC soldiers), so I think it's fine to include it in the list.
1t..... effectively its all neutral.
that is your interpretation, you are welcome to it.
Cyrodiil is t neutral either. It is not even arguable as you prorpose, or according to your definition.
And I wasn't talking about being PVE heavy as having anything to do with being neutral - that's how IC meets the "adventuring zone" part of the criteria, it has nothing to do with the "neutral" part of the criteria.
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If you're interested in seeing snow, don't make the mistake of coming to the part of Canada where I live. We pretty much don't get any. Heck, we hosted the Winter OIympics without any snow on the ground, except up at the mountain resort a couple of hours' drive away.and I'm a complete sucker for snowy areas, most likely because I never saw snow IRL.
Its not as awesome as the TV can make it seem. Imagine shoveling 4 inches of sand off all your sidewalks, all the way out to your entire parking spot. Imagine mirrors reflecting sunlight into your eyes wherever you look. Imagine random spots of oil on the ground making you slip and fall. Snow can be heavy like sand, with a blinding white glare across the ground everywhere you look, and create ice patches just big enough to send you into the hard frozen concrete elbow first.
Maine, in the off season like february, is a cheap vacation and will give you all the 'winter' you will want.
I really can't travel abroad until my post graduation course is over in two years, but I'll keep Maine in mind
Every time I went to a country that has snow, I went during their summer (our winter) because it is the least busy time of the year for me and my family. But I have a friend who studies in Michigan and he said pretty much the same you did xD
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drakhan2002_ESO✭✭✭✭✭WrothgarWrothgar. Best DLC yet. Wish they would make more DLCs/expansion like it - great main story, lots of dailies and side quests, big zone. Good stuff. ZOS just got a little lazy with TG/DB as they were too focused primarily on the stealthy archetype. I hope they implement something for finger-wagglers or shield users. But we'll see...0
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✭✭✭✭✭WrothgarGold Coast seems small and empty. Hew's Bane is interesting visually, probably one of the best zones for that, and definitely better than Gold Coast. Craglorn is my favorite zone, visually, and I have spent more time there than any other zone. However, Wrothgar is tops right now due to diverse things to do and it is visually interesting, like Hew's Bane and Craglorn.Edited by Elsonso on November 7, 2016 2:49PMXBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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thawks✭✭✭WrothgarWrothgar is close to perfect as a zone, but I would've preferred to delve into the politics of the Mauloch/Malacath identity schism over the cult conspiracy of the Vosh Rakh. A bit more focus on the outlying orcish clans would've been nice as well, to learn more about what sets them apart from each other beyond "these guys are miners, and those guys are herders."
Craglorn has pretty decent visuals, but the desert in the south is too bland, and travelling by foot from the south to the north is a pain; one additional path in the center, perhaps just north of the Seeker's Archive, would've done wonders. I also wish Dragonstar would've been more prominent than it is. The main questline feels incoherent and rushed, it rarely goes into enough detail on the Celestials or the various enemy factions for it to be truly interesting, and none of the characters aren't particularly memorable.
Hew's Bane is visually awesome and navigating Abah's Landing is a treat, but the zone's too small for it to give you a feeling of meaningful discovery. The quest line is pretty fun however.
The Gold Coast is nice, but could've used more trees. I'm not a big fan of the Dark Brotherhood, however, so the questline wasn't very interesting to me; I preferred the side quests.
Coldharbour lacks variety of any kind. The dark yet harsh colour scheme gets very tiresome very quickly, and the whole zone feels more like a set of boxes to tick off than a coherent whole. Everything north of the Hollow City just feels like a long, incredibly boring trek to a final boss fight that never even arrives. The fact that it was almost entirely separate from the main quest also annoyed me more than you know. I don't believe the devs intended for you to ever return after completing it, and it shows.
The Imperial City is pretty bad as well. It shares the same aesthetical problems as Coldharbour, but is also claustrophobic, and navigating the insides of its buildings and sewers usually leaves me a bit dizzy. It works as a PvP arena however, and that's what it's intended as, and so it shouldn't really be judged by the same standards.0 -
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"Disputed" might be a better label for Cyrodiil and IC, since the alliances are fighting for control. All the other "Neutral" places are stable in their neutrality, and the alliances are not disputing that neutrality. Of course there are still neutral aspects to Cyrodiil and IC; IC's storyline is completely neutral, as it's you and the Drake of Blades vs the Daedra, without the alliances getting involved.
They're neutral because they aren't controlled by any of the alliances - the alliances are all fighting to control them, but they can't hold them, and the territory that they "control" in those zones is constantly shifting. The entire area is a contested war zone. When you're questing in IC or battling in Cyrodiil you're fighting for the benefit of your home alliance, not for the benefit of the alliance whose territory you're in, because you're not in the territory of any alliance.
Then you are wrong when you say IC is neutral because it is pve heavy, as it doesn't matter according to the definitions you brought forward. Each alliance seem to advance themselves through the quests therefore not neutral. Might want to check up on your own statements before bashing others
It's not an interpretation. Those 15 zones are explicitly territory of their respective alliances, and while questing in them the main questlines are explicitly supporting the alliance you're in. It's black and white. They are alliance territory and as such not neutral.jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
that is your interpretation, you are welcome to it.
No. The original 15 zones are all Alliance zones where you're doing quests explicitly to aid the respective alliances. None of them could be considered neutral.jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
1t..... effectively its all neutral.
Such as? What other zones meet the criteria? I guess you could argue that Cyrodiil meets the criteria because it's not held by any one alliance, and there's adventuring that you can do there, but it's really a PVP zone with some scattered PVE thrown in. Imperial City is different because it's much heavier on the PVE, so it fits the criteria listed a lot better (even though it's a PVP zone too).jedtb16_ESO wrote: »um... i think you may be missing a few locations there.
Oh and technically Wrothgar doesn't really meet the criteria as it's not really neutral - it's part of the Daggerfall Covenant. It's a pretty independant part of the Daggerfall Covenant, though (as evidenced by the fact that they put a call out for adventurers from across Tamriel to help solve their problems rather than invite in DC soldiers), so I think it's fine to include it in the list.
Cyrodiil is t neutral either. It is not even arguable as you prorpose, or according to your definition.
And I wasn't talking about being PVE heavy as having anything to do with being neutral - that's how IC meets the "adventuring zone" part of the criteria, it has nothing to do with the "neutral" part of the criteria.UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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