Whatever happened to Hundling´s Rage

Lefthy · October 2016

Hi all,

So, im in the run for my first VMA, and with the drop of One Tamriel and the new sets i seen a lot of discussion about things like Spriggan, Red Mountain, Leviathan and the old guys like TBS and Night Mother.

But, what´s the current position of the Hundling Rage set in this meta? It is woth the change for any of the other options?

Im curretly setup is a 5/1/1 with 5 x Hundling Rage, 4 x Night Mother and 3 x Agility and while i start farming for velindret, i wanted to know if is worth to spend mats or farm time on something else to get a easier run on VMA.

CultOfMMO · October 2016

Lefthy wrote: »

Hi all,

So, im in the run for my first VMA, and with the drop of One Tamriel and the new sets i seen a lot of discussion about things like Spriggan, Red Mountain, Leviathan and the old guys like TBS and Night Mother.

But, what´s the current position of the Hundling Rage set in this meta? It is woth the change for any of the other options?

Im curretly setup is a 5/1/1 with 5 x Hundling Rage, 4 x Night Mother and 3 x Agility and while i start farming for velindret, i wanted to know if is worth to spend mats or farm time on something else to get a easier run on VMA.

When people talk about optimal setup for vMA for "easier" runs, they usually refer to getting a higher score than an already impressive score. All the sets you mentioned are viable choices, can't go wrong with either one, just that the best one will yield the most time savings, but this really does not affect a player on the first clear.

Just make sure your weapons are gold and armor pieces are purple, and do with what you have, learn the arena. When you've mastered the basics and want to compete for top scores, then worry about min/maxing with best possible setup.

Strider_Roshin · October 2016

One Tamriel made crafting sets obsolete. I went from wearing half crafted, and half dropped to entirely wearing dropped sets. Even TBS is obsolete since you can just wear Leviathan and only deal with one mundus stone.

Lefthy · October 2016

Alright then, i will stick with what i have then, i didnt want to spend more money on this build :S i will gold out the weapons.

thank you very much.

Oh about crafted sets, well, i think they are still pretty strong, TBS and Night Mother for dps, Armor master and Tavas for tank, Julianos and TBS for magika.
Yes we have more options now and they are not obligatory anymore and thats good, but they are still pretty solid i think, plus you can put the motif you like most and wear it.

Swomp23 · October 2016

Hi @Lefthy
I was wondering why you were running 5/4/3 sets. Do you really have better dps than if you ran 5/5/2 with the 2 being Kra'gh or Velidreth?
I personnally run 5 Hunding's, 5 Red Mountain and 2 Kra'gh (well actually it's only Kra'gh shoulders cause I didn't do vet dungeons yet, but the idea is 5/5/2). I saw that 5/4/3 build with Agi jewelry somewhere, but at the time I thought it wasn't worth it to lose a 5-piece bonus and a monster set for 3 Agi. Thoughts?

SquattingTurtle · October 2016

I have no idea what to run on my 2h and bow stamplar I never bothered making gold stuff because i can never get gold jewelry.

notimetocare · October 2016

Hundings is just as good as it has always been.
Some never sets outperform it, but if you roll 5hundings you will be just fine

Darkestnght · October 2016

This is a good question. Since Tam1 I have been wondering, are my master crafting skills still going to be as useful as they have been in the past for creating armor and weapons. Looking at all of these sets makes my head spin......and the farming for them is just about as boring as it gets for me in ESO. I wonder how this is going to effect my long term outlook for this game.

Brutusmax1mus · October 2016

Tbs is not obsolete in trials or well designed 4 man's. Solo there are better options than tbs though.

bellanca6561n · October 2016

Okay, time for another point of view.

How my character looks is very important to me and we cannot govern how dropped pieces look.

Some, such as Bahraha's Curse, will not accept dyes. Not saying it's wonderful but it is a good example of a certain lack of attention to detail in this game....well....in all games really.

Costumes help but taking one of my gals into a tough group challenge wearing an evening gown may be amusing but it fails to pass my willing suspension of disbelief test.

Thus I love the twins: Hundings Rage and Law of Julianos. One is for stamina, one for mana. Identical, except for the focus stat.

And Twice Born Star is marvelous. It fills the mains and the wing tanks allowing you to adjust to your build using Mundus Stones and four other pieces.

I've yet to encounter a challenge in this game that could not be met purely by playing better. Never have I thought that any of many failures were due to my gear

Edziu · October 2016

notimetocare wrote: »

Hundings is just as good as it has always been.
Some never sets outperform it, but if you roll 5hundings you will be just fine

yes, Im running in 5 hunding, 3x agi, monster set and master bow with 2x leki on dual and this is funny because as I see my skill to dps in dungeons.......in dungs with very good group im able to do 40k dps in fights less than minute and 30k+ with more than 2 mins etc, without any MSA weaps, as stamina nb btw. I have asked my friends dk, sorcs etc who are using MSA weapons and they similiar are doing this 30k+ dps in longer fight, withc VO etc.

I dont know how those PRO are douing to 50k dps but it must be more support from group etc, we are still we think how they are doing that dps but its off-topic now

yes, hundings etc basic gear is fine, as 1 my friend always telling, gear is only maybe 30% to your sucess in game, rest is your skills (excepts 1shoting proc builds on pvp)

Oreyn_Bearclaw · October 2016

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

One Tamriel made crafting sets obsolete. I went from wearing half crafted, and half dropped to entirely wearing dropped sets. Even TBS is obsolete since you can just wear Leviathan and only deal with one mundus stone.

That is true with the exception of TBS. It is still arguably BIS for a lot of trial PVE DPS builds. Also, NM is mandatory for any solo stam or at least one in a group.

As for hundings, it's a solid choice, but hard to call it BIS for anything these days. If you are alone, NM is better, in a proper group TBS or Leviathan are better.

Also, some of these new monster sets and minor slayer from VO are hard to pass up in favor of any extra 5 piece.

Strider_Roshin · October 2016

Leviathan > TBS

DannyLV702 · October 2016

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

One Tamriel made crafting sets obsolete. I went from wearing half crafted, and half dropped to entirely wearing dropped sets. Even TBS is obsolete since you can just wear Leviathan and only deal with one mundus stone.

My magic sorc went from 100% crafted gear to 100% dropped lmfao. Went from showing off my gear to wearing costumes and skins. I wish eso plus would allow us to re-style dropped gear

Toc de Malsvi · October 2016

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Leviathan > TBS

That really depends on how many divines you are wearing.

Leviathan is roughly 13% crit, at zero divines TBS with Thief for crit gives 11% crit, at seven divines TBS gives 16.775% crit.

Being that for PVE most players will run at least 5 divines TBS is pretty solidly better than Leviathan, in that it is capable of more crit while adding crit damage and health + magicka.

Alternatively you could double stack Leviathan with Thief mundus but you would be gimping yourself elsewhere. Leviathan's real value comes in that it is available through jewelry.

Lefthy · October 2016

Swomp23 wrote: »

Hi @Lefthy
I was wondering why you were running 5/4/3 sets. Do you really have better dps than if you ran 5/5/2 with the 2 being Kra'gh or Velidreth?
I personnally run 5 Hunding's, 5 Red Mountain and 2 Kra'gh (well actually it's only Kra'gh shoulders cause I didn't do vet dungeons yet, but the idea is 5/5/2). I saw that 5/4/3 build with Agi jewelry somewhere, but at the time I thought it wasn't worth it to lose a 5-piece bonus and a monster set for 3 Agi. Thoughts?

Hi! yeah well, im currently using a 5/4/3 because i dont have any dps monster set avaiable right now (anything that worth) or any other dps set that have jewrly, so i use the agility jewrly with 4 night mothers.

Idealy i would run the same as you. but in the meantime im gonna try to finish the arena with this and see if i can make it alive XD

Lashiing · October 2016

Lefthy wrote: »

Swomp23 wrote: »

Hi @Lefthy
I was wondering why you were running 5/4/3 sets. Do you really have better dps than if you ran 5/5/2 with the 2 being Kra'gh or Velidreth?
I personnally run 5 Hunding's, 5 Red Mountain and 2 Kra'gh (well actually it's only Kra'gh shoulders cause I didn't do vet dungeons yet, but the idea is 5/5/2). I saw that 5/4/3 build with Agi jewelry somewhere, but at the time I thought it wasn't worth it to lose a 5-piece bonus and a monster set for 3 Agi. Thoughts?

Hi! yeah well, im currently using a 5/4/3 because i dont have any dps monster set avaiable right now (anything that worth) or any other dps set that have jewrly, so i use the agility jewrly with 4 night mothers.

Idealy i would run the same as you. but in the meantime im gonna try to finish the arena with this and see if i can make it alive XD

def swap that 3rd piece agility for 5th piece nm
current meta is pent/crit

exeeter702 · October 2016

Lefthy wrote: »

Alright then, i will stick with what i have then, i didnt want to spend more money on this build :S i will gold out the weapons.

thank you very much.

Oh about crafted sets, well, i think they are still pretty strong, TBS and Night Mother for dps, Armor master and Tavas for tank, Julianos and TBS for magika.
Yes we have more options now and they are not obligatory anymore and thats good, but they are still pretty solid i think, plus you can put the motif you like most and wear it.

Armor master sucks

OrphanHelgen · October 2016

2-4 piece of hundings rage are abit weak in pve dps. Max stam and two crit bonuses. You dont notice much of your crit chance when its around 70%+, which it usually is with medium armor and daggers. Which leaves the 300 wpn dmg good 5th piece only. I would say 5 night mother gaze are better, allthough its a waste if two players in the same group are using it.
Also with the maelstrom flurry enchant which already gives you weapon dmg, you earn more by going stats like penetration or crit (Twiceborn star). But if you are stacking wpn dmg for pve, then hunding is one of the better options yes, unless its for pvp, then I believe there are a few heavy armor sets that gives more.

acw37162 · October 2016

All the crafted sets are just as good as they were before.

In fact some of the best scores posted to VMA (arguably not a great metric) are with hundings rage right now.

TBS is still a staple, and as to Levithan vs. TBS depends entirely on the content you run and the group you them with.

Izaki · October 2016

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Leviathan > TBS

Where's the math? Because this is not true at all. TBS>Leviathan/Mother's Sorrow. By around 1%. If you want I can show the math for this, can you? TBS is still the BiS for trials DPS. The better the group buffs the more effective TBS becomes and the less effective Leviathan becomes. Don't spread non-backed up misinformation.

STEVIL · October 2016

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Leviathan > TBS

Where's the math? Because this is not true at all. TBS>Leviathan/Mother's Sorrow. By around 1%. If you want I can show the math for this, can you? TBS is still the BiS for trials DPS. The better the group buffs the more effective TBS becomes and the less effective Leviathan becomes. Don't spread non-backed up misinformation.

yes please thanks