They made a mistake thinking that mmo and Elder Scrolls fans on console wouldn't pay for Xbox live, PS plus and a subscription.

Newsflash. . . We probably would have for a slightly better game than what we get now. If this game only had 10% of the bugs and connection issues it does now, I would gladly pay both and buy Crown Store items.

Hell... I do now even with the bugs.

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EZgoin76 wrote: »

They made a mistake thinking that mmo and Elder Scrolls fans on console wouldn't pay for Xbox live, PS plus and a subscription.

Possibly, but who made the mistake Bethesda, or Microsoft?

Originally the game wasn't supposed to be for consoles; it was pc only. Then Sony asked about getting it. Microsoft got in on it. Sony was originally not going to charge a fee for it because it had a sub. Microsoft refused to consider letting people play for free. There were many posts from people who were outraged that they would have to pay a sub in addition to paying for the Xbox network. Despite the fact it was pointed out many times that you have to pay for the xbox network if you want to do any online games, so many people would be paying the fee because ESO wasn't the only game they played it didn't matter. There were rants about money-grubbing greedy, etc, etc, because of it. Sony changed their minds too. ZOS "fixed" the issue by going buy to play.

There were many posts about how unfair it was to expect console players to pay a sub in addition to paying for the Microsoft network or psn.

I subscribed to ESO plus for the crafting bag and access to DLC, for me its money well spent as I am a crafter/provisioner and like to have a stock of ALL materials, whether for myself or to help someone else out. I do not have a great deal of time to play, so instead of wasting time moving things around between characters like I used to, I can now just enjoy the game without the tedious task of asset and space management. With that ESO plus I get an allotment of crowns per month, I was looking on the crown store the other day, and what am I going to use those crowns for? I could buy the DLC, but I am already a subscriber and will probably remain so due to the above described, the other options are all cosmetic it seems.

I am not the type of person who is concerned about the look of my character and I already bought the cheap 10K gold horse. I am already 50 in all crafting to make better potions than the store, and am on my way to getting the PA recipe, what else is there to spend my crowns on? This is why I am a bit excited for the crown crates, do you guys not get a bit of joy of completing a writ and opening that unknown container? I certainly do! What will it contain, will I hit it big or just some random crap.... Its just a bit of excitement in an otherwise predictable world, and I think a few crown crates here or there will be the same thing for me, maybe I get what equates to those cosmetic changes I mentioned earlier, oh well, at least I got a bit of excitement of the unknown first. I guess its like waking up at Christmas, all those present under the tree, sure most will contain underwear and socks and other unexciting necessities, but its the excitement of the unknown. I dont really know what else I can spend my crowns on, nor do I understand why an optional purchase which in no way interferes with skill and game play is such a hot button issue.

Deathgiggle wrote: »

What? This thread is still going? Never thought there would be so much passion on both sides of this debate lol

Yer kidding, right?

summitxho wrote: »

I subscribed to ESO plus for the crafting bag and access to DLC, for me its money well spent as I am a crafter/provisioner and like to have a stock of ALL materials, whether for myself or to help someone else out. I do not have a great deal of time to play, so instead of wasting time moving things around between characters like I used to, I can now just enjoy the game without the tedious task of asset and space management. With that ESO plus I get an allotment of crowns per month, I was looking on the crown store the other day, and what am I going to use those crowns for? I could buy the DLC, but I am already a subscriber and will probably remain so due to the above described, the other options are all cosmetic it seems.

I am not the type of person who is concerned about the look of my character and I already bought the cheap 10K gold horse. I am already 50 in all crafting to make better potions than the store, and am on my way to getting the PA recipe, what else is there to spend my crowns on? This is why I am a bit excited for the crown crates, do you guys not get a bit of joy of completing a writ and opening that unknown container? I certainly do! What will it contain, will I hit it big or just some random crap.... Its just a bit of excitement in an otherwise predictable world, and I think a few crown crates here or there will be the same thing for me, maybe I get what equates to those cosmetic changes I mentioned earlier, oh well, at least I got a bit of excitement of the unknown first. I guess its like waking up at Christmas, all those present under the tree, sure most will contain underwear and socks and other unexciting necessities, but its the excitement of the unknown. I dont really know what else I can spend my crowns on, nor do I understand why an optional purchase which in no way interferes with skill and game play is such a hot button issue.

It's such a hot issue because different players have different priorities. You may not care about character looks, but I and many others do. To me looking right is more important than having BiS gear.
I don't care about trials, vet dungeons or PvP, I care about the looks of character as they are my way to express myself in the game.
The crates remove my control over how I look by putting cosmetic items behind a RNG mechanic. Add to that our previous experiences with games that added scam crates and how it influenced development.

Hope that helps to understand why some of us are against the scam crates.

Kendaric wrote: »

It's such a hot issue because different players have different priorities. You may not care about character looks, but I and many others do. To me looking right is more important than having BiS gear.
I don't care about trials, vet dungeons or PvP, I care about the looks of character as they are my way to express myself in the game.
The crates remove my control over how I look by putting cosmetic items behind a RNG mechanic. Add to that our previous experiences with games that added scam crates and how it influenced development.

Hope that helps to understand why some of us are against the scam crates.

Yeah I get that, and all the power to you, we all play for different reasons, but there is a lot of cosmetic changes listed on the crown store, November release is mostly cosmetic stuff, and stuff will be continuously added into the future. I feel they are covering your base quite well already, sure there may be a few items you do not have access to, but that's life too, in the grand scheme of things is it really that important you want to take something from me simple because you choose not to participate?

summitxho wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

It's such a hot issue because different players have different priorities. You may not care about character looks, but I and many others do. To me looking right is more important than having BiS gear.
I don't care about trials, vet dungeons or PvP, I care about the looks of character as they are my way to express myself in the game.
The crates remove my control over how I look by putting cosmetic items behind a RNG mechanic. Add to that our previous experiences with games that added scam crates and how it influenced development.

Hope that helps to understand why some of us are against the scam crates.

Yeah I get that, and all the power to you, we all play for different reasons, but there is a lot of cosmetic changes listed on the crown store, November release is mostly cosmetic stuff, and stuff will be continuously added into the future. I feel they are covering your base quite well already, sure there may be a few items you do not have access to, but that's life too, in the grand scheme of things is it really that important you want to take something from me simple because you choose not to participate?

So in this vein, if they put better-than-maelstrom weapons in the crates it would be okay because "we all play for different reasons" and "sure there may be a few items you do not have access to, but that's life"?

Maybe those weapons look super cool and the RP community would love to get them for cash. You wouldn't want to "take something from me simple because you choose not to participate," right?

JimT722 wrote: »

Deathgiggle wrote: »

Nyghthowler wrote: »

My opinion is that if we are already paying a monthly sub we should get EVERYTHING included with our sub, and not be nickel and dimed to death with a crown store and Gambling boxes.
If you don't pay a sub and play for free, go ahead and support the game by trying to win some super rare whatever.
I will not be purchasing any Crown crates; I don't care how cool the pixels are.

Why are you entitled to everything just because you pay a monthly fee? For your fee they already give you a ton of benefits that other "Free" players do not get. As an example, you get a craft bag which in itself is worth the 15 bucks a month. In fact I've had so many folks tell me that they don't wanna cancel just because they would lose that one benefit. Then they give you an extra 10% experience which lasts 24 hours a day, 7 days a week with your subscription. On top of that, they still give you 1500 Crowns a month so I think for your monthly fee you are actually getting a pretty great deal! I mean if a free player buys 1500 crowns he doesn't get the bonus xp for 30 days nor the crafting bag. He also doesn't get access to EVERY DLC which is another huge benefit of the monthly subscriber.

So, it ain't so bad that they offer some other incentives to make some profit for the company. You can say that you don't care about the new mounts but 90% of the people do care about mounts. In fact people are so vain about their games that they will pay absurd prices for a new dress, outfit, mask, etc. from the Crown store or just to make their toon look "cool." Mounts and pets are part of that mindset as most players want to look cool just standing around in the city waiting to run a dungeon or trial.

Go in game to a major city and stand near the traders and count the number of Crown pets and Mounts that come and go. Do this for 10 minutes and you will see the impact and the popularity of these items. If the majority of people didn't want them, there wouldn't even be a Crown Shop. The fact that there are so many running around tells me that people love these items. I for one, love to see new stuff added from time to time. As a person who at this point has done pretty much everything in the game, it is exciting to look forward to these little extras.

I agree people like the items on the store. People like to buy them.

Shouldn't they be able to do so without being ripped off? It is designed to keep fools spending absurd amounts of money. Also, how are they going to decide to rip us off when they need to pay for their new Bentley?

I agree,buying exactly the thing that you want its ok with me (as long as they dont sell ptw stuff) I mean you spend the cash knowing what you going to get.But the gambling crates that is just plain dirty and a way to fool people.It is the tag that let know how greedy the company has become.Why not just put ,for example,the rare mounts for sale maybe at a high price?They dont do it because they know that they can make more money by fooling you to spend 3 ,4 times the amount of money by giving you NOTHING a few times until you get what you want.Its just plain dirty.

This is how bad gaming has gone.And if it is the thrill of gambling what you are looking for then you are doing it wrong.For that you go to casinos where you know you are going there for gambling.But the random loot boxes system its worst,because it forces people who dont like gambling to go and gamble by putting something you need/want as a reward.Could you imagine a system like that in real life? You need milk? go to the casino and gamble for it.You want that awesome dress? yeah,go to the casino and spend 20 times the price of the dress and leave with empty hands.That example was just to put on perspective how immoral the random loot crate system is.

JKorr wrote: »

Deathgiggle wrote: »

That's the fun of it though, the mounts will actually be "rare." I can't stand it when everyone has the same cool mount as soon as it gets released. When you see a Crown Crate mount you will know the guy either got really lucky or had to pay out the beejebus fot it lol

Plus I like the fact that they will switch up the crates for holidays and special events and put special items in them if you purchase one during those times. Just adds a whole new element to the game for people like me. I know some kids can't afford it but why punish us adults who want to spend a little money on a game? it is my main hobby after all. My father likes to bass fish and he bought a 25k bass boat and hundreds every year on fuel, baits, rods and reels, etc.
My Uncle likes to play golf so he bought a fancy golf cart, a custom made set of clubs and pays green fees and club dues throughout the year.

I love video games, so I bought a big TV, a PS4 and don't mind spending a little bit here and there to support my habit :P
There are many more like me out there, in fact I was kind of shocked to learn how many adults play this game vs others I've played.

Yep. Either they got lucky, or they paid craploads of money for it.

I won't think, "Man, that is so cool.", or 'Wow, what a fantastic mount.". All I'll be thinking is "Oh man were they stupid." And then move on and not look twice.

Haha yeah,thats what i would think too when i see that guy with that rare mount.I would be like " poor fool" and /facepalm

wayfarerx wrote: »

So in this vein, if they put better-than-maelstrom weapons in the crates it would be okay because "we all play for different reasons" and "sure there may be a few items you do not have access to, but that's life"?

Maybe those weapons look super cool and the RP community would love to get them for cash. You wouldn't want to "take something from me simple because you choose not to participate," right?

That's not the same since the weapons would help someone play better and be more competitive, the cosmetic changes do not achieve that and does not alternate the playing field.

JimT722 wrote: »

Deathgiggle wrote: »

Nyghthowler wrote: »

My opinion is that if we are already paying a monthly sub we should get EVERYTHING included with our sub, and not be nickel and dimed to death with a crown store and Gambling boxes.
If you don't pay a sub and play for free, go ahead and support the game by trying to win some super rare whatever.
I will not be purchasing any Crown crates; I don't care how cool the pixels are.

Why are you entitled to everything just because you pay a monthly fee? For your fee they already give you a ton of benefits that other "Free" players do not get. As an example, you get a craft bag which in itself is worth the 15 bucks a month. In fact I've had so many folks tell me that they don't wanna cancel just because they would lose that one benefit. Then they give you an extra 10% experience which lasts 24 hours a day, 7 days a week with your subscription. On top of that, they still give you 1500 Crowns a month so I think for your monthly fee you are actually getting a pretty great deal! I mean if a free player buys 1500 crowns he doesn't get the bonus xp for 30 days nor the crafting bag. He also doesn't get access to EVERY DLC which is another huge benefit of the monthly subscriber.

So, it ain't so bad that they offer some other incentives to make some profit for the company. You can say that you don't care about the new mounts but 90% of the people do care about mounts. In fact people are so vain about their games that they will pay absurd prices for a new dress, outfit, mask, etc. from the Crown store or just to make their toon look "cool." Mounts and pets are part of that mindset as most players want to look cool just standing around in the city waiting to run a dungeon or trial.

Go in game to a major city and stand near the traders and count the number of Crown pets and Mounts that come and go. Do this for 10 minutes and you will see the impact and the popularity of these items. If the majority of people didn't want them, there wouldn't even be a Crown Shop. The fact that there are so many running around tells me that people love these items. I for one, love to see new stuff added from time to time. As a person who at this point has done pretty much everything in the game, it is exciting to look forward to these little extras.

I agree people like the items on the store. People like to buy them.

Shouldn't they be able to do so without being ripped off? It is designed to keep fools spending absurd amounts of money. Also, how are they going to decide to rip us off when they need to pay for their new Bentley?

No. The game must have ways to milk whales. I fully support this. Let them throw their money at the game for vanity items. I am fine with a few people keeping the servers going.

Enslaved wrote: »

If I were a Richie Richmond swimming in unlimited loads of cash, I would maybe, just maybe understand OP's excitement. Since I am an Average Joe, I can just say that crown crates will not be on my to-buy-list. And honestly, I don't gamble. Not my cup I guess.

If I was UBER rich I would buy all the items in the crown store and what not,but not a single crown crate cause im not stupid.

Asardes wrote: »

I'm so excited about those crates that ... I will continue to not give a hoot about them, like I don't give about any sort of cosmetic items sold on Crown Store. In a year I've spent 9.5K crowns, all on DLC. I have 1.6K and most likely I will either buy another character slot or a small DLC that will come next year. I'm glad there are people who buy more. If all ZoS customers were as stingy as me, they would go out of business

Good DLCs are the way to go.Its a win/win situation.So sad the devs spent time on stupid crown crates.But well,they know tere are stupid ppl out there who will buy them.