Group Finder - Please include language selection

fred4 · October 2016

Today I was in a group with some inexperienced players who couldn't complete the final boss in a 4-man dungeon for being one-shotted all the time. There are easy strategies to avoid that, in this dungeon, but even though two of us were bilingual, covering French / English / German, the tank and possibly the fourth member only spoke Spanish. With the best will in the world passing on the knowledge and agreeing on a strategy was impossible.

ZOS, please let us specify the languages that we speak, and please give us the option to participate only in groups where there is at least one common language among the members.

AzraelKrieg · October 2016

I've done dungeon runs with people from Japan. Their English may not be great compared to mine and my Japanese is atrocious even with 6 years of previous study but communicating with them is not that hard as they generally understand what is said.

Mady · October 2016

Nah, just add google translator to the chat.

WalksonGraves · October 2016

I once ran a dungeon with an Australian and understood most of what he was saying.

AzraelKrieg · October 2016

WalksonGraves wrote: »

I once ran a dungeon with an Australian and understood most of what he was saying.

I should be offended by this

fred4 · October 2016

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

I've done dungeon runs with people from Japan. Their English may not be great compared to mine and my Japanese is atrocious even with 6 years of previous study but communicating with them is not that hard as they generally understand what is said.

The point of my post was that this is not always the case, and wasn't in the dungeon run that prompted me to make this thread.

If you speak a second language well enough to be useful in ESO, you would simply add that to the list of languages that you speak.

Ilmarthethief · October 2016

Nice idea, really. We have separate chat channels, why not have the same for queues? Should be optional ofc.

Wow · October 2016

What OP asking was something like this to be added to the group finder

A language toggle.

But then, there will be always a prick who toggle on ALL the languages just for faster queue.

Skcarkden · October 2016

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I'm Australian, we speak English and even I get tired of being grouped with people who i can not understand and they likely can not understand me for critical things.

It's bad enough at work with team leaders that barely know english giving instructions via one word sentences or grunts while pointing i don't want to go home and deal with it in a game too.

I don't mind the open zone area but for grouping, there is nothing wrong if people want to only be paired with likewise languages and that does not mean anyone thinks only english exists

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idk · October 2016

I am unsure what OP really means. I am hoping it is not a design to avoid playing with people of different national and racial backgrounds.

Zos will not be adding a language filter to the GF for the very reason it would be nationality and racial segregation.

Skcarkden · October 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

I am unsure what OP really means. I am hoping it is not a design to avoid playing with people of different national and racial backgrounds.

Zos will not be adding a language filter to the GF for the very reason it would be nationality and racial segregation.

Oh it has nothing to do with nation or race.

It has everything to do with not being able to understand or communicate with some people due to language barriers and not wanting to waste their time playing with said people.

Even people without a mic can be a pain, but as long as they can hear you or read what you type there's still a chance provided they can understand the language you're using.

Danikat · October 2016

I think this would be a good idea.

I don't think it's segregation because it's not preventing you from seeing, or playing with people who speak other languages. It's just a way of ensuring everyone in the group is able to communicate. It's no different to having a zone chat channel for each language the game supports.

Other games already have this as standard - when you're creating a group listing you select the activity you'll be doing, difficulty and whatever other options and then you also select a language for the group to use, so that anyone joining is aware of whether they'll be able to understand everyone else or not.

It doesn't prevent anyone from grouping with anyone else and in my experience actually reduces the assumption from some people that english is a "universal language" and everyone online must speak it by creating at least some areas where players can explicitly say "in this dungeon run we will be speaking German" or Spanish or French or whatever else.

MaKTaiL · October 2016

So you are trying to make group finder take even longer to find a group? Tell me how that will make things better. You know the North American Server is being used by all countries below USA. The American crowd is like 35% of the whole population on the server.

Rosveen · October 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

I am unsure what OP really means. I am hoping it is not a design to avoid playing with people of different national and racial backgrounds.

Zos will not be adding a language filter to the GF for the very reason it would be nationality and racial segregation.

Serious question: if a guild has a policy of speaking only English in guild chat and kicks any members who refuse to comply, do you consider it racism?

idk · October 2016

Skcarkden wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

I am unsure what OP really means. I am hoping it is not a design to avoid playing with people of different national and racial backgrounds.

Zos will not be adding a language filter to the GF for the very reason it would be nationality and racial segregation.

Oh it has nothing to do with nation or race.

It has everything to do with not being able to understand or communicate with some people due to language barriers and not wanting to waste their time playing with said people.

Even people without a mic can be a pain, but as long as they can hear you or read what you type there's still a chance provided they can understand the language you're using.

@Skcarkden

Your thinking in a box. xBox or maybe play station.

On PC no one can hear you. When you queue up for a dungeon you only have text chat, unless you corral them into TS or something.

So again, language is based on nationality, provinces where we have or are living. Really does have a tinge of racism attached even if it is not intended.

So, basically, this will NOT happen at any point in the life of ESO. NEVER. Fine a guild to run dungeons with of you want to be able to select people based on language.

Dasovaruilos · October 2016

Wow wrote: »

What OP asking was something like this to be added to the group finder

A language toggle.

But then, there will be always a prick who toggle on ALL the languages just for faster queue.

That Group Finder looks awesome! All I ever wanted for ESO's Group Finder... Clear role selection, being able to chose if you want to join in progress parties, clear way to select the dungeons you want...

I haven't had any issues with language, but I'm Brazilian and only play on NA server, so English is kind of mandatory.

ZOS_JohanaB · October 2016

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itehache · October 2016

This game is available in english, french, german and japanese.

Spanish people would still have to choose english (or french, japanese whatever) to queue in the group finder as spanish is not an available language. I say spanish to follow your example but this also works for any other language that is not available in game.

I do not think that a language filter would help at all, since non english/japanese/german/french speakers would still have to choose a language which is not theirs xDDD

Besides, we already have long queues to find a group, if we add more filters it will be worse.

I hope we will eventually get the game translated in other languages. I'm spanish myself and I have not lost the hopes to get it translated to my own language. I do speak english and stuff but playing in my own language... ahh a girl can dream I guess

Totalitarian · October 2016

Well, at least your group member had a French-speaking member. French and Spanish are somewhat similar, so you probably got some stuff through to him. Only common Latin based language I wouldn't try to communicate to another language of the same family is Romanian.

This reminds me of a time I got into a group and one of the members said in Spanish that he only spoke Spanish. So I prepared to type something in my rudimentary Spanish (I don't speak anything other than English because I'm an American, although ironically I'm half Mexican, but I have very sub-par Spanish). Someone asked if he was serious in English, and he said no, and we all had a laugh.

I've also been in a trials group where the only tank spoke only French, and another group member had to translate. Again, I only speak one language, but I'm knowledgeable enough to know how Western European Romance languages sound, and I could tell that they both spoke some really dirty French. The tank couldn't finish the trial because he lacked a good gear setup.

Skcarkden · October 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Skcarkden wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

I am unsure what OP really means. I am hoping it is not a design to avoid playing with people of different national and racial backgrounds.

Zos will not be adding a language filter to the GF for the very reason it would be nationality and racial segregation.

Oh it has nothing to do with nation or race.

It has everything to do with not being able to understand or communicate with some people due to language barriers and not wanting to waste their time playing with said people.

Even people without a mic can be a pain, but as long as they can hear you or read what you type there's still a chance provided they can understand the language you're using.

@Skcarkden

Your thinking in a box. xBox or maybe play station.

On PC no one can hear you. When you queue up for a dungeon you only have text chat, unless you corral them into TS or something.

So again, language is based on nationality, provinces where we have or are living. Really does have a tinge of racism attached even if it is not intended.

So, basically, this will NOT happen at any point in the life of ESO. NEVER. Fine a guild to run dungeons with of you want to be able to select people based on language.

@Giles.floydub17_ESO

I'm actually not thinking in a box. Yes PC and console are different in that PC don't have built in voice chat, and this will serve as part of my point in needing to be able to communicate with people as i have to now pointlessly tell you that everything i said is still valid, for PC just exclude the voice chat commentary unless some form of external voice chat program is used.

If i have to tell you that, how often do you think you'll find someone in game who needs the obvious spelled out to them but you can't because they don't know what language you're using.

And no, that is NOT racism. Not in the slightest and i'm tired of people believing a very basic and reasonable thing such as wanting to be able to understand what's being said as 'racist'. It's tiring enough dealing with this kind of nonsense in the real world because people refuse to learn the local language and call people racist if they simply suggest ways to dealing with said nonsense.

There really is no reason why you should get to be the 'authority' on saying it'll never happen. There really is no reason for you to opposed. It makes absolutely no sense for you to do so. I could join a group right now, and they all might speak something else, so i leave.. now they have to wait to get another and i get a stupid 15min penalty timer. OR Allow people to select to only join groups of a matching language, now there should be no reason for anyone to leave based on language barrier reasons.

It's just like a chat filter, you might turns yours off so you can see words that would otherwise be censored, but it doesn't affect anyone elses filter, it strictly only affects you alone. No reason to get so upset about it.

alexkdd99 · October 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Skcarkden wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

I am unsure what OP really means. I am hoping it is not a design to avoid playing with people of different national and racial backgrounds.

Zos will not be adding a language filter to the GF for the very reason it would be nationality and racial segregation.

Oh it has nothing to do with nation or race.

It has everything to do with not being able to understand or communicate with some people due to language barriers and not wanting to waste their time playing with said people.

Even people without a mic can be a pain, but as long as they can hear you or read what you type there's still a chance provided they can understand the language you're using.

@Skcarkden

Your thinking in a box. xBox or maybe play station.

On PC no one can hear you. When you queue up for a dungeon you only have text chat, unless you corral them into TS or something.

So again, language is based on nationality, provinces where we have or are living. Really does have a tinge of racism attached even if it is not intended.

So, basically, this will NOT happen at any point in the life of ESO. NEVER. Fine a guild to run dungeons with of you want to be able to select people based on language.

Lol always going to be someone who claims something is racist. Do you know what racism means? It is having the belief one race is superior to another. Wanting to be able to communicate with your group is in no way racist.

People throw that word around WAY to much these days .

Also do you control what goes on in eso? If not I don't know how you can say with ANY certainty what will or will not happen.

Again wanting to be able to communicate with your group is in NO WAY racist.
People should really know what racism means before claiming someone or something is racist.

fred4 · October 2016

I do not see that a language selection feature would be racist.

I play on PC EU, so there is no voice over IP unless everyone was on TS, which does not happen in PUGs. The only communication channel is the chat box.

To people who think language barriers are irrelevant, I would ask whether they have played any of the high-end content, such as White Gold Tower. When you first did it, did you read up on it, or did someone tell you the mechanics of the planar inhibitor fight? I think you really can't progress without knowing that fight, for example.

To people who say Group Finder would take even longer my question is: What good is it, if you get stuck on content and can't communicate? You were in a hurry to find a group. Are you going to persist with the random group, perhaps using Google translate to communicate, or are you going to bail? The reality is a lot of people bail on PUGs (I'm not judging).

To people who say the game is only available in English, French, German and Japanese ... don't be daft. What I'm talking about is, of course, that ZOS allows us to specify the languages that we speak or read / write. This would be a big long list of tick boxes.

At the end of the day this should remain an optional feature. A lot of content can be played without much explanation. It is with the high-end content I see this being relevant. That said, the fight that prompted this post was actually the final one in Volenfell, an otherwise easy dungeon that has a one-shot mechanic in that fight, unless you're really tanky.

Skcarkden · October 2016

I've been in fights in a dungeon, don't know what it was called, but it had 3 boss gouti lizard things, when one died it would get back up shortly after unless you downed the other two in time..

I realised this and began to only hit the highest HP at all times to make sure they die at the same time... the other 3 did not notice this. Luckily i was able to tell them after a while, as i also happen to have a keyboard plugged into my PS4 but if they didn't know english? lol GG with that then... would be fighting untill they all realised.

Next was the grobull the netch boss, i had my dmg numbers on and saw that while it was flying it was taking really low dmg except for when you you killed enough of its minions and it fell for the ground and took full damage.. again, not everyone realised this, perhaps they also had dmg numbers off and would not see the heavily reduced damage. again if they could not understand the language spoken/typed it would be a hassle to inform others. and this was in just one dungeon.

3rd boss we all kept dying to poisoned air pretty instantly, i assume the levers are involved but i die before the levers even become ready to be flipped and we pretty much all ragequit by then.

So yeah, nothing racist about a very basic thing as wanting to share a common tongue with someone and not wanting to waste time trying to speak with someone who you can not understand.

AtAfternoon · October 2016

I can only agree. I once ended up with someone who had never done vICP before and I tried my best to explain the mechanics using google translate (the person spoke french while I used english), but couldn't since what the player responded with came out as gibberish in my end when I put it into the translator. We didn't finish the dungeon.

But I also remember the first time the opposite happen, when someone tried to explain what I needed to know about Arx Corinium and I had absolutely no idea what they were trying to say and that's even more frustrating.