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✭✭✭✭danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »The reason is, templars have more effective defensive tools. Its worth slotting either harness/dampen OR healing ward, but not both since we have BoL. I keep dampen on my bar because of the abundance of heal debuffs, it allows me to relieve some pressure and cleanse so heals go off clean. And even that sometimes feels redundant, since I slot mist form.
In order to shield stack you have to give up 2 skill slots when there's already only 10, its just not worth it.
Immovable overlaps with channeled focus, which you're gonna be running anyway and furthermore, the skill costs more than simply breaking free for mag builds(lack of stam cost reduction) so its 100% useless.
You need to put some points into bastion if you're going to rely on shield stacking, taking away points that can be more effectively allocated. Also, with the current shield duration of 6 seconds shield stacking severely hinders your burst window.
- I actually owe you a thank you. Your relentless taunting about my build a few weeks back got me to change some things around. While I don't agree with you on everything adding in some of your ideas to some of mine has lead me to some very positive results.
- The immovable skill was 100% because I needed a stamina sink. Maybe I just dodge roll less than average but I rarely have problems managing it. I'll look at the other abilities.
- I rely on mist form to break free. My guess is that when others are dodge rolling, I'm mist forming.
- I put 10 points into bastion. Noticeable difference at 5%.
- To draw back to our previous conversations when I pop immovable, on my now 5 heavy build, I'm above 30k on each resist. My magic is 46k, and my health is 21k, but it got buffed all the way to 29.5k in Haderus.
Adding to this:
Bastion for a Templar using blazing shield is weaker than a sorc for hardened ward. Using base stats of 53% dmg returned and 30% max health shield, I noticed the percentages for dmg returned and shield strength was as follows:
@100 bastion = 66% dmg returned, 38% max health shield
@73 bastion = 63% dmg returned, 36% max health shield.
@53 bastion = 61% dmg returned, 35% max health shield.
Basically anything more than 70 points into bastion is a waste for Templars looking into using blazing shield.
I didn't test this with dampen Magicka or healing ward since I wanted to use BS as my defense.
I had already dropped 100 points into the CP area that increases your physical resistance in that same tree so I thought anything more than 10 points would be overkill. While I don't have the numbers in front of me it increased my shield by about 1000 give or take.
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✭✭✭✭✭danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »The reason is, templars have more effective defensive tools. Its worth slotting either harness/dampen OR healing ward, but not both since we have BoL. I keep dampen on my bar because of the abundance of heal debuffs, it allows me to relieve some pressure and cleanse so heals go off clean. And even that sometimes feels redundant, since I slot mist form.
In order to shield stack you have to give up 2 skill slots when there's already only 10, its just not worth it.
Immovable overlaps with channeled focus, which you're gonna be running anyway and furthermore, the skill costs more than simply breaking free for mag builds(lack of stam cost reduction) so its 100% useless.
You need to put some points into bastion if you're going to rely on shield stacking, taking away points that can be more effectively allocated. Also, with the current shield duration of 6 seconds shield stacking severely hinders your burst window.
- I actually owe you a thank you. Your relentless taunting about my build a few weeks back got me to change some things around. While I don't agree with you on everything adding in some of your ideas to some of mine has lead me to some very positive results.
- The immovable skill was 100% because I needed a stamina sink. Maybe I just dodge roll less than average but I rarely have problems managing it. I'll look at the other abilities.
- I rely on mist form to break free. My guess is that when others are dodge rolling, I'm mist forming.
- I put 10 points into bastion. Noticeable difference at 5%.
- To draw back to our previous conversations when I pop immovable, on my now 5 heavy build, I'm above 30k on each resist. My magic is 46k, and my health is 21k, but it got buffed all the way to 29.5k in Haderus.
Adding to this:
Bastion for a Templar using blazing shield is weaker than a sorc for hardened ward. Using base stats of 53% dmg returned and 30% max health shield, I noticed the percentages for dmg returned and shield strength was as follows:
@100 bastion = 66% dmg returned, 38% max health shield
@73 bastion = 63% dmg returned, 36% max health shield.
@53 bastion = 61% dmg returned, 35% max health shield.
Basically anything more than 70 points into bastion is a waste for Templars looking into using blazing shield.
I didn't test this with dampen Magicka or healing ward since I wanted to use BS as my defense.
I had already dropped 100 points into the CP area that increases your physical resistance in that same tree so I thought anything more than 10 points would be overkill. While I don't have the numbers in front of me it increased my shield by about 1000 give or take.
5% increase to BS is only 54.5% dmg returned and 32.6% max health shield. At 21k health, your BS shield would be only be 3423 in cyro with a base return dmg of 1865.5. at 53% dmg returned/30% max health, youll get 3150 shield. Which is a 273 point shield increase.
Id say dampen Magicka is worth it to slot if you don't have 30k health minimum.
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Anyone halfway decent will just hold block during your SA and since you won't get them below 50% health RO will just tickle them. Plus you're spending 3.5k magika to cast a shield that absorbs maybe 7k damage if you have 40k max magic (my tool tip is 6k shield with 35k max magika) . Seems like all someone would have to do is keep pressure on you to make you burn your resources on defense and healing.danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »Why isn't this a popular thing? With the advent of dueling I flipped around a few things and stumbled into this. It's OP as hell and combined with radiant and soul assault makes for a great way to combat those pesky stam builds. I'm using Harness Magicka and Immovable. Add in the always popular breath of life and the amount of damage I can absorb is crazy. Also Mist form helps too. Then pop my ultimate followed by radiant. Once I got my rotation down I felt like a monster. Any one else try this?
Limited offensive capability. You need your enemy's consent to kill them. At any time they can just ignore you.
With Soul Assault and radiant oppression? I respectfully disagree.
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✭✭✭✭danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »The reason is, templars have more effective defensive tools. Its worth slotting either harness/dampen OR healing ward, but not both since we have BoL. I keep dampen on my bar because of the abundance of heal debuffs, it allows me to relieve some pressure and cleanse so heals go off clean. And even that sometimes feels redundant, since I slot mist form.
In order to shield stack you have to give up 2 skill slots when there's already only 10, its just not worth it.
Immovable overlaps with channeled focus, which you're gonna be running anyway and furthermore, the skill costs more than simply breaking free for mag builds(lack of stam cost reduction) so its 100% useless.
You need to put some points into bastion if you're going to rely on shield stacking, taking away points that can be more effectively allocated. Also, with the current shield duration of 6 seconds shield stacking severely hinders your burst window.
- I actually owe you a thank you. Your relentless taunting about my build a few weeks back got me to change some things around. While I don't agree with you on everything adding in some of your ideas to some of mine has lead me to some very positive results.
- The immovable skill was 100% because I needed a stamina sink. Maybe I just dodge roll less than average but I rarely have problems managing it. I'll look at the other abilities.
- I rely on mist form to break free. My guess is that when others are dodge rolling, I'm mist forming.
- I put 10 points into bastion. Noticeable difference at 5%.
- To draw back to our previous conversations when I pop immovable, on my now 5 heavy build, I'm above 30k on each resist. My magic is 46k, and my health is 21k, but it got buffed all the way to 29.5k in Haderus.
You don't need a stamina dump, the excess Stam is for blocking, as a means to mitigate pressure0 -
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✭✭✭✭itscompton wrote: »
Anyone halfway decent will just hold block during your SA and since you won't get them below 50% health RO will just tickle them. Plus you're spending 3.5k magika to cast a shield that absorbs maybe 7k damage if you have 40k max magic (my tool tip is 6k shield with 35k max magika) . Seems like all someone would have to do is keep pressure on you to make you burn your resources on defense and healing.danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »Why isn't this a popular thing? With the advent of dueling I flipped around a few things and stumbled into this. It's OP as hell and combined with radiant and soul assault makes for a great way to combat those pesky stam builds. I'm using Harness Magicka and Immovable. Add in the always popular breath of life and the amount of damage I can absorb is crazy. Also Mist form helps too. Then pop my ultimate followed by radiant. Once I got my rotation down I felt like a monster. Any one else try this?
Limited offensive capability. You need your enemy's consent to kill them. At any time they can just ignore you.
With Soul Assault and radiant oppression? I respectfully disagree.
Yes, in a dueling environment this is a worry. In open world Cyrodiil not so much.0 -
BRogueNZ✭✭✭✭✭use it after I bought a cheap purple heavy set to experiment with, means I don't have to hang around a ground based buff.. a more mobile home so to speak. Not sure Ill make a habit of it, its not costing my magicka so its a back up oh sh*t button and it casts faster than focus
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✭✭✭✭✭Who are you dueling? 187 CP people looking for a PuG daily group?
There very fact that you only have 9K stamina - far too low for competitive PvP - and claim to need a stamina sink tells me you aren't fighting players who are very experienced, let alone good duelers.
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✭✭✭✭danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »The reason is, templars have more effective defensive tools. Its worth slotting either harness/dampen OR healing ward, but not both since we have BoL. I keep dampen on my bar because of the abundance of heal debuffs, it allows me to relieve some pressure and cleanse so heals go off clean. And even that sometimes feels redundant, since I slot mist form.
In order to shield stack you have to give up 2 skill slots when there's already only 10, its just not worth it.
Immovable overlaps with channeled focus, which you're gonna be running anyway and furthermore, the skill costs more than simply breaking free for mag builds(lack of stam cost reduction) so its 100% useless.
You need to put some points into bastion if you're going to rely on shield stacking, taking away points that can be more effectively allocated. Also, with the current shield duration of 6 seconds shield stacking severely hinders your burst window.
- I actually owe you a thank you. Your relentless taunting about my build a few weeks back got me to change some things around. While I don't agree with you on everything adding in some of your ideas to some of mine has lead me to some very positive results.
- The immovable skill was 100% because I needed a stamina sink. Maybe I just dodge roll less than average but I rarely have problems managing it. I'll look at the other abilities.
- I rely on mist form to break free. My guess is that when others are dodge rolling, I'm mist forming.
- I put 10 points into bastion. Noticeable difference at 5%.
- To draw back to our previous conversations when I pop immovable, on my now 5 heavy build, I'm above 30k on each resist. My magic is 46k, and my health is 21k, but it got buffed all the way to 29.5k in Haderus.Joy_Division wrote: »Who are you dueling? 187 CP people looking for a PuG daily group?
There very fact that you only have 9K stamina - far too low for competitive PvP - and claim to need a stamina sink tells me you aren't fighting players who are very experienced, let alone good duelers.
I duel whomever is put in front of me and search out duels in any place I can.
But yeah, you're right. I'm sorry. I picked up the game last thursday and only actually PVP to get Vigor. You got me.
What amazes me is this massive group of incomparably elite players who are never actual playing in Cyrodiil during the 20 hours a week I'm in there.Edited by THEDKEXPERIENCE on October 25, 2016 9:40PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭I didn't mean to quote you lexxy. That was for Captain Condesending and his 187 CP remark.0 -
mtwiggz✭✭✭✭✭danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »I didn't think immovable gave you a damage shield? Seems like a waste cause you'd be using channeled focus which gives major ward/resolve same as immovable?
It's not really a shield per se but it adds 5180 spell and physical resistance. This brings my resistances both above 30k which makes a huge difference. Also mine lasts over 16 seconds so it doesn't require constant spamming.
If you're using Immovable for only the Major Resolve/Ward you should look into using Channeled Focus instead. Since realistically it should be on your bar for the magicka return and passive buffs it gives.
I used Immovable for a while back when I was running a Stamplar. One advantage Immovable gives over Channeled Focus is Immunity to Knockback. Since they wont' stack, a Magplar can still use Immovable and save Magicka for other things.
I've always used immovable potions for immunity as the skill Immovable is ridiculously costly. I believe it's about 3500-4500 stamina per cast and only lasts for 5 seconds? As for the potions give you back stamina, speed or crit as well as giving CC immunity for much longer. Yet Stamplar and Magplar are vastly different situations here.0 -
americansteel✭✭✭✭danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »Why isn't this a popular thing? With the advent of dueling I flipped around a few things and stumbled into this. It's OP as hell and combined with radiant and soul assault makes for a great way to combat those pesky stam builds. I'm using Harness Magicka and Immovable. Add in the always popular breath of life and the amount of damage I can absorb is crazy. Also Mist form helps too. Then pop my ultimate followed by radiant. Once I got my rotation down I felt like a monster. Any one else try this?
Limited offensive capability. You need your enemy's consent to kill them. At any time they can just ignore you.
With Soul Assault and radiant oppression? I respectfully disagree.
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