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The Shield Stacking Magplar?
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Why isn't this a popular thing? With the advent of dueling I flipped around a few things and stumbled into this. It's OP as hell and combined with radiant and soul assault makes for a great way to combat those pesky stam builds. I'm using Harness Magicka and Immovable. Add in the always popular breath of life and the amount of damage I can absorb is crazy. Also Mist form helps too. Then pop my ultimate followed by radiant. Once I got my rotation down I felt like a monster. Any one else try this?
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Digiman✭✭✭✭✭Careful, they say when a class develops a top notch magicka build for PvP. Wrobel comes in with nerf bat to beat half to death.
Don't believe me, look what he did to sorcerers.... and he forced shield stacking on them.11 -
Jimbullbee85✭✭✭✭Never thought of using immovable on my Alt templar healer. Gonna give it a try. I'm currently using harness magicka and rune focus.Jimbullbee, Templar healer battlemage0 -
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✭I didn't think immovable gave you a damage shield? Seems like a waste cause you'd be using channeled focus which gives major ward/resolve same as immovable?5 -
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✭✭✭✭psychotic13 wrote: »I didn't think immovable gave you a damage shield? Seems like a waste cause you'd be using channeled focus which gives major ward/resolve same as immovable?
It's not really a shield per se but it adds 5180 spell and physical resistance. This brings my resistances both above 30k which makes a huge difference. Also mine lasts over 16 seconds so it doesn't require constant spamming.0 -
mtwiggz✭✭✭✭✭danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »I didn't think immovable gave you a damage shield? Seems like a waste cause you'd be using channeled focus which gives major ward/resolve same as immovable?
It's not really a shield per se but it adds 5180 spell and physical resistance. This brings my resistances both above 30k which makes a huge difference. Also mine lasts over 16 seconds so it doesn't require constant spamming.
If you're using Immovable for only the Major Resolve/Ward you should look into using Channeled Focus instead. Since realistically it should be on your bar for the magicka return and passive buffs it gives.5 -
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✭danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »I didn't think immovable gave you a damage shield? Seems like a waste cause you'd be using channeled focus which gives major ward/resolve same as immovable?
It's not really a shield per se but it adds 5180 spell and physical resistance. This brings my resistances both above 30k which makes a huge difference. Also mine lasts over 16 seconds so it doesn't require constant spamming.
If you're using Immovable for only the Major Resolve/Ward you should look into using Channeled Focus instead. Since realistically it should be on your bar for the magicka return and passive buffs it gives.
I used Immovable for a while back when I was running a Stamplar. One advantage Immovable gives over Channeled Focus is Immunity to Knockback. Since they wont' stack, a Magplar can still use Immovable and save Magicka for other things.NA Server - Kildair1 -
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✭✭✭✭danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »Why isn't this a popular thing? With the advent of dueling I flipped around a few things and stumbled into this. It's OP as hell and combined with radiant and soul assault makes for a great way to combat those pesky stam builds. I'm using Harness Magicka and Immovable. Add in the always popular breath of life and the amount of damage I can absorb is crazy. Also Mist form helps too. Then pop my ultimate followed by radiant. Once I got my rotation down I felt like a monster. Any one else try this?
Limited offensive capability. You need your enemy's consent to kill them. At any time they can just ignore you.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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✭Careful, they say when a class develops a top notch magicka build for PvP. Wrobel comes in with nerf bat to beat half to death.
Don't believe me, look what he did to sorcerers.... and he forced shield stacking on them.
So pretty much..... Wrobel is ESO's Negan"Stendarr's mercy be upon you, for the vigil has none to spare."2 -
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✭Tried this before, maybe for duels...maybe. In open world your dreams will be crushed by Wrobelnaught stam builds
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✭✭✭✭UppGRAYxDD wrote: »Tried this before, maybe for duels...maybe. In open world your dreams will be crushed by Wrobelnaught stam builds
Actually I faired very well in Haderus last night.0 -
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✭✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »Why isn't this a popular thing? With the advent of dueling I flipped around a few things and stumbled into this. It's OP as hell and combined with radiant and soul assault makes for a great way to combat those pesky stam builds. I'm using Harness Magicka and Immovable. Add in the always popular breath of life and the amount of damage I can absorb is crazy. Also Mist form helps too. Then pop my ultimate followed by radiant. Once I got my rotation down I felt like a monster. Any one else try this?
Limited offensive capability. You need your enemy's consent to kill them. At any time they can just ignore you.
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✭✭✭✭danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »I didn't think immovable gave you a damage shield? Seems like a waste cause you'd be using channeled focus which gives major ward/resolve same as immovable?
It's not really a shield per se but it adds 5180 spell and physical resistance. This brings my resistances both above 30k which makes a huge difference. Also mine lasts over 16 seconds so it doesn't require constant spamming.
If you're using Immovable for only the Major Resolve/Ward you should look into using Channeled Focus instead. Since realistically it should be on your bar for the magicka return and passive buffs it gives.
I needed a stamina sink. It's the only stamina skill on my 2 bars.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Should keep this on the downlow .
You're probably right. Also, your name is awesome. Haha.0 -
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✭Harness Magicka + Immovable isn't shield stacking, in the same way that sorcs don't call using Hardened Ward + Boundless Storm shield stacking. Immovable is super expensive, but if you found a way to afford to use it regularly that's great.PC | EU0 -
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✭✭✭✭FriedEggSandwich wrote: »Harness Magicka + Immovable isn't shield stacking, in the same way that sorcs don't call using Hardened Ward + Boundless Storm shield stacking. Immovable is super expensive, but if you found a way to afford to use it regularly that's great.
Yeah, I only have like 9k stamina so I get to use it for 16 seconds and then pop it again. It's my only stamina skill so it's pretty manageable.0 -
Calboy✭✭✭✭✭danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »I didn't think immovable gave you a damage shield? Seems like a waste cause you'd be using channeled focus which gives major ward/resolve same as immovable?
It's not really a shield per se but it adds 5180 spell and physical resistance. This brings my resistances both above 30k which makes a huge difference. Also mine lasts over 16 seconds so it doesn't require constant spamming.
If you're using Immovable for only the Major Resolve/Ward you should look into using Channeled Focus instead. Since realistically it should be on your bar for the magicka return and passive buffs it gives.
I needed a stamina sink. It's the only stamina skill on my 2 bars.
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Calboy✭✭✭✭✭I've been trying a dampen magicka light armor templar this week and although I have loads of fire power, I'm just too squishy to be hanging around in close range combat areas and find myself spamming shield and heal more than actually doing damage.Edited by Calboy on October 25, 2016 5:49PM0
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✭danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »Harness Magicka + Immovable isn't shield stacking, in the same way that sorcs don't call using Hardened Ward + Boundless Storm shield stacking. Immovable is super expensive, but if you found a way to afford to use it regularly that's great.
Yeah, I only have like 9k stamina so I get to use it for 16 seconds and then pop it again. It's my only stamina skill so it's pretty manageable.
I have 13k stamina and 900 stam regen and I would never consider using something as expensive as immovable. It simply doesn't pay for itself. Immovable pots last longer than 15s and templars have better ways to get major ward/resolve.PC | EU2 -
Dark_Aether✭✭✭✭That costs 4k stam, probably half your pool. I wonder who you've gone against cause any decent player would have notice the bubble and make you cry by killing you with cc knowing you can't break free.Edited by Dark_Aether on October 25, 2016 5:55PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭Supersnake_Lx wrote: »That costs 4k stam, probably half your pool. I wonder who you've gone against cause any decent player would have notice the bubble and make you cry by killing you with cc knowing you can't break free.
And here we go ...
I duel against anyone who wants, win some lose some. I usually look for duels in the Hammerdeath Arena to find good fighters. As for Cyrodiil, I fight almost daily in the two hardest campaigns against all the top players. My PVP stripes are well earned against the best competition.
If you're on XBox I'm more than happy to duel you or fight you on the Allessia Bridge.
Also, mist form breaks CC so there is that.0 -
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✭✭✭✭danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »Why isn't this a popular thing? With the advent of dueling I flipped around a few things and stumbled into this. It's OP as hell and combined with radiant and soul assault makes for a great way to combat those pesky stam builds. I'm using Harness Magicka and Immovable. Add in the always popular breath of life and the amount of damage I can absorb is crazy. Also Mist form helps too. Then pop my ultimate followed by radiant. Once I got my rotation down I felt like a monster. Any one else try this?
Limited offensive capability. You need your enemy's consent to kill them. At any time they can just ignore you.
With Soul Assault and radiant oppression? I respectfully disagree.
Yeh even with those things you should still be ignored by anyone that isn't in full glass cannon spec. I tried the blazing shield health stacking setup and it is amazing against bad players and tunnel vision players that blindly attack everything in sight. However good players barely even register your existence.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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✭✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »Why isn't this a popular thing? With the advent of dueling I flipped around a few things and stumbled into this. It's OP as hell and combined with radiant and soul assault makes for a great way to combat those pesky stam builds. I'm using Harness Magicka and Immovable. Add in the always popular breath of life and the amount of damage I can absorb is crazy. Also Mist form helps too. Then pop my ultimate followed by radiant. Once I got my rotation down I felt like a monster. Any one else try this?
Limited offensive capability. You need your enemy's consent to kill them. At any time they can just ignore you.
With Soul Assault and radiant oppression? I respectfully disagree.
Yeh even with those things you should still be ignored by anyone that isn't in full glass cannon spec. I tried the blazing shield health stacking setup and it is amazing against bad players and tunnel vision players that blindly attack everything in sight. However good players barely even register your existence.
Great players, yes, this is true. Good players, nah. Burns right through them. Easily 80% of the Cyrodiil playerbase can't handle it. Duels are more like 60%.
So yeah, I agree kind of. From my own experience though a significant majority of players have no chance.
But do you know who can't handle it? People running glitchy stamina builds based off of YouTube who aren't the actual streamers.0 -
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✭✭✭danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »I didn't think immovable gave you a damage shield? Seems like a waste cause you'd be using channeled focus which gives major ward/resolve same as immovable?
It's not really a shield per se but it adds 5180 spell and physical resistance. This brings my resistances both above 30k which makes a huge difference. Also mine lasts over 16 seconds so it doesn't require constant spamming.
But it also doesn't give you magicka and major mending.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
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✭✭✭✭danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »I didn't think immovable gave you a damage shield? Seems like a waste cause you'd be using channeled focus which gives major ward/resolve same as immovable?
It's not really a shield per se but it adds 5180 spell and physical resistance. This brings my resistances both above 30k which makes a huge difference. Also mine lasts over 16 seconds so it doesn't require constant spamming.
But it also doesn't give you magicka and major mending.
This is true. I use heavy resto attacks and I think one of the Templar passives does major mending after a heavy attack but that could be minor mending. Not sure at the moment. I'll definitely check it out later.Edited by THEDKEXPERIENCE on October 25, 2016 6:55PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »Supersnake_Lx wrote: »That costs 4k stam, probably half your pool. I wonder who you've gone against cause any decent player would have notice the bubble and make you cry by killing you with cc knowing you can't break free.
And here we go ...
I duel against anyone who wants, win some lose some. I usually look for duels in the Hammerdeath Arena to find good fighters. As for Cyrodiil, I fight almost daily in the two hardest campaigns against all the top players. My PVP stripes are well earned against the best competition.
If you're on XBox I'm more than happy to duel you or fight you on the Allessia Bridge.
Also, mist form breaks CC so there is that.
He's not wrong though. Even at my 14k stam pool, I'm saving it for blocks which do better at mitigating dmg than that skill.
Switch to channeled focus or the secondary morph for the 8% overall dmg reduction and use mist form for mobility saves/quick burst/proc defense.
My magplar runs 31k health, 32k Magicka, heavy armor to help offset stage 4 vamp debuffs, blazing shield for anti-nb defense. And instead of using a second shield, I keep elude on prior to a fight so I can gain dodge chance.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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✭✭✭✭The reason is, templars have more effective defensive tools. Its worth slotting either harness/dampen OR healing ward, but not both since we have BoL. I keep dampen on my bar because of the abundance of heal debuffs, it allows me to relieve some pressure and cleanse so heals go off clean. And even that sometimes feels redundant, since I slot mist form.
In order to shield stack you have to give up 2 skill slots when there's already only 10, its just not worth it.
Immovable overlaps with channeled focus, which you're gonna be running anyway and furthermore, the skill costs more than simply breaking free for mag builds(lack of stam cost reduction) so its 100% useless.
You need to put some points into bastion if you're going to rely on shield stacking, taking away points that can be more effectively allocated. Also, with the current shield duration of 6 seconds shield stacking severely hinders your burst window.
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✭✭✭✭The reason is, templars have more effective defensive tools. Its worth slotting either harness/dampen OR healing ward, but not both since we have BoL. I keep dampen on my bar because of the abundance of heal debuffs, it allows me to relieve some pressure and cleanse so heals go off clean. And even that sometimes feels redundant, since I slot mist form.
In order to shield stack you have to give up 2 skill slots when there's already only 10, its just not worth it.
Immovable overlaps with channeled focus, which you're gonna be running anyway and furthermore, the skill costs more than simply breaking free for mag builds(lack of stam cost reduction) so its 100% useless.
You need to put some points into bastion if you're going to rely on shield stacking, taking away points that can be more effectively allocated. Also, with the current shield duration of 6 seconds shield stacking severely hinders your burst window.
- I actually owe you a thank you. Your relentless taunting about my build a few weeks back got me to change some things around. While I don't agree with you on everything adding in some of your ideas to some of mine has lead me to some very positive results.
- The immovable skill was 100% because I needed a stamina sink. Maybe I just dodge roll less than average but I rarely have problems managing it. I'll look at the other abilities.
- I rely on mist form to break free. My guess is that when others are dodge rolling, I'm mist forming.
- I put 10 points into bastion. Noticeable difference at 5%.
- To draw back to our previous conversations when I pop immovable, on my now 5 heavy build, I'm above 30k on each resist. My magic is 46k, and my health is 21k, but it got buffed all the way to 29.5k in Haderus.Edited by THEDKEXPERIENCE on October 25, 2016 7:28PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »The reason is, templars have more effective defensive tools. Its worth slotting either harness/dampen OR healing ward, but not both since we have BoL. I keep dampen on my bar because of the abundance of heal debuffs, it allows me to relieve some pressure and cleanse so heals go off clean. And even that sometimes feels redundant, since I slot mist form.
In order to shield stack you have to give up 2 skill slots when there's already only 10, its just not worth it.
Immovable overlaps with channeled focus, which you're gonna be running anyway and furthermore, the skill costs more than simply breaking free for mag builds(lack of stam cost reduction) so its 100% useless.
You need to put some points into bastion if you're going to rely on shield stacking, taking away points that can be more effectively allocated. Also, with the current shield duration of 6 seconds shield stacking severely hinders your burst window.
- I actually owe you a thank you. Your relentless taunting about my build a few weeks back got me to change some things around. While I don't agree with you on everything adding in some of your ideas to some of mine has lead me to some very positive results.
- The immovable skill was 100% because I needed a stamina sink. Maybe I just dodge roll less than average but I rarely have problems managing it. I'll look at the other abilities.
- I rely on mist form to break free. My guess is that when others are dodge rolling, I'm mist forming.
- I put 10 points into bastion. Noticeable difference at 5%.
- To draw back to our previous conversations when I pop immovable, on my now 5 heavy build, I'm above 30k on each resist. My magic is 46k, and my health is 21k, but it got buffed all the way to 29.5k in Haderus.
Adding to this:
Bastion for a Templar using blazing shield is weaker than a sorc for hardened ward. Using base stats of 53% dmg returned and 30% max health shield, I noticed the percentages for dmg returned and shield strength was as follows:
@100 bastion = 66% dmg returned, 38% max health shield
@73 bastion = 63% dmg returned, 36% max health shield.
@53 bastion = 61% dmg returned, 35% max health shield.
Basically anything more than 70 points into bastion is a waste for Templars looking into using blazing shield.
I didn't test this with dampen Magicka or healing ward since I wanted to use BS as my defense.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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