Dual sword or Dagger for stam sorc?

unlord116 · October 2016

Hi all,

I've been a stam sorc since launch and now that the class is strong, I want to fine tune my favorite character. Im stuck as to use 2 swords or 2 daggers. Will the +flat damage from sword be better then crit chance from daggers?

I know end game I will want 2 VMA daggers but the in meantime not sure what to use.

My current build is Orc Stam Sorc with 5 Fiord Legacy (run speed stacking!) 3 agility jewelery 2 Kra’gh
7 Medium
I'm thinking of using Endurance set for my 2 weapons since it seems that its the set that gives the most bonus for 2 piece.

Thoughts?

On a side note, I assume the old rule still apply for Crit Chance/Crit damage? We want to have it even right? With CP I think I will be +60% damage (50base + 10 from CP). Meaning unless my crit chance is over 60%, I should use Thief mundus right? If crit chance is over 60, then I use Shadow?

Mic1007 · October 2016

Daggers for sure. And never drop the Thief unless you somehow have like 70% crit without it. It should be around 65% if you use TBS. As a Stam Sorc, Crits are necessary for self-heals.

W0lf_z13 · October 2016

dw swords for magicka ... daggers/maces/axes for stam

unlord116 · October 2016

Thanks guys, that was quick!

Teletesselator · October 2016

I read you guys saying this (and I've been having similar questions) but I can't seem to find any value listed anywhere in the game that would make any one DW pair or combo better or worse than any other. They /seem/ to all be identical! Radius, Damage, Enchants, CP category descriptions, you name it - all exactly the same.

So, my question is: Where are you guys getting this information? Where is there any evidence that a dagger and an axe is better or worse than a sword and a mace... or two daggers vs. two axes... whatever.

Huh? What have I missed here?

Danksta · October 2016

Teletesselator wrote: »

I read you guys saying this (and I've been having similar questions) but I can't seem to find any value listed anywhere in the game that would make any one DW pair or combo better or worse than any other. They /seem/ to all be identical! Radius, Damage, Enchants, CP category descriptions, you name it - all exactly the same.

So, my question is: Where are you guys getting this information? Where is there any evidence that a dagger and an axe is better or worse than a sword and a mace... or two daggers vs. two axes... whatever.

Huh? What have I missed here?

The twin blade and blunt passive in the DW skill line.

Dreyloch · October 2016

Teletesselator wrote: »

I read you guys saying this (and I've been having similar questions) but I can't seem to find any value listed anywhere in the game that would make any one DW pair or combe better or worse than any other. They /seem/ to all be identical! Radius, Damage, Enchants, CP category descriptions, you name it - all exactly the same.

So, my question is: Where are you guys getting this information? Where is there any evidence that a dagger and an axe is better or worse than a sword and a mase... or two daggers vs. two axes... whatever.

Huh? What have I missed here?

It's the passives in the DW weapon skill line. Swords increase weapon damage, daggers increase crit, axes do something with bleeds, and maces improve armor/spell penetration. (just off the top of my head, one of those might be wrong).

unlord116 · October 2016

Ah one more question @W0lf_z13 @Mic1007

What enchantment should I use? on my bow and dual wield.

W0lf_z13 · October 2016

i personally would go weapon damage / absorb stam

W0lf_z13 · October 2016

@Teletesselator

Twin Blade and Blunt

Passive Rank I WHILE DUAL WIELDING
Grants a bonus based on type of weapon equipped:
Each axe gives your melee attacks a 4% chance to bleed enemies for [x] Physical Damage over 6 seconds.
Each mace causes your attacks to ignore 5% of an enemy's Physical Resistance.
Each sword increases your damage done by 1.5%.
Each dagger increases your Weapon Critical rating. (by 2%)
Dual Wield Rank 41
-- -- --
Rank II WHILE DUAL WIELDING
Grants a bonus based on type of weapon equipped:
Each axe gives your melee attacks a 8% chance to bleed enemies for [x] Physical Damage over 6 seconds.
Each mace causes your attacks to ignore 10% of an enemy's Physical Resistance.
Each sword increases your damage done by 2.5%.
Each dagger increases your Weapon Critical rating. (by 5%)
Dual Wield Rank 50

Teletesselator · October 2016

Oh yeah... "Twin Blade and Blunt"

Dang-it, I hate it when that happens!

Of course, I guess it only applies if this is unlocked...

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DurzoBlint13 · October 2016

Danksta wrote: »

Teletesselator wrote: »

I read you guys saying this (and I've been having similar questions) but I can't seem to find any value listed anywhere in the game that would make any one DW pair or combo better or worse than any other. They /seem/ to all be identical! Radius, Damage, Enchants, CP category descriptions, you name it - all exactly the same.

So, my question is: Where are you guys getting this information? Where is there any evidence that a dagger and an axe is better or worse than a sword and a mace... or two daggers vs. two axes... whatever.

Huh? What have I missed here?

The twin blade and blunt passive in the DW skill line.

this! passives are the most important skills in the game. If you are not using them, you are never going to perform as well as those that are using them
example= mag-plar activating any Dawns Wrath ability grants Minor Sorcery (5% Spell power increase) to them and anyone in their group

Ghost-Shot · October 2016

Daggers for pve, swords or maces for pvp.

W0lf_z13 · October 2016

maces would def better than daggers pvp wise ( since crit isnt TOO important because of shields ) with maces you would get the ignoring of armor which is always nice

Teletesselator · October 2016

But, all this we're talking about here ONLY applies to Dual Wield equipped characters who also have this passive enabled. Other than that, am I correct in thinking that there is no difference AT ALL (besides looks!) between mace, sword, dagger, and axe?

Yes?

runagate · October 2016

There used to be a two-hander passive of some sort like this did there not? Back when there was the one that increased the chance to proc your enchant?

Absorb stamina is suboptimal as an enchant as the CP passive Might increases the damage of physical, poison and disease. So in general for a straight damage dealer with stamina-based abilities you'll want to use a Poison enchant. Disease's "status effect" is reducing the healing taken on an enemy but that is rarely useful outside PvP.

Bobby_V_Rockit · October 2016

I use a precise dagger and a sharpened sword. Sitting on 75% crit I opted for the extra damage increase of the sword. Seems adequate enough for me so far

Mettaricana · October 2016

I'm running oohodian axe sharpened and s spriggan dagger precise I prefer dual daggers sharpened....

Unsent.Soul · October 2016

Precise dagger / sharpened axe.

What I have, currently... any opinions?

Rather basic build. Just hit 50 and crafted 5x TBS, 3x agility jewelry and 4x night mothers DW and a night mothers bow.

Figure it'll work till I find replacements.

GreenSoup2HoT · October 2016

Can anybody answer this question for me?

Does the Mace/Maul penetration value get smaller when you have penetration sets, debuffs, penetration cp? Is the 20% calculated after the sets/debuffs/cp or is it first?

Mic1007 · October 2016

Teletesselator wrote: »

But, all this we're talking about here ONLY applies to Dual Wield equipped characters who also have this passive enabled. Other than that, am I correct in thinking that there is no difference AT ALL (besides looks!) between mace, sword, dagger, and axe?

Yes?

You are right, but why Dual Wield if you're not using the passives?

Bobby_V_Rockit · October 2016

Mic1007 wrote: »

Teletesselator wrote: »

But, all this we're talking about here ONLY applies to Dual Wield equipped characters who also have this passive enabled. Other than that, am I correct in thinking that there is no difference AT ALL (besides looks!) between mace, sword, dagger, and axe?

Yes?

You are right, but why Dual Wield if you're not using the passives?

Maybe not levelled to it yet?

Teletesselator · October 2016

Mic1007 wrote: »

Teletesselator wrote: »

But, all this we're talking about here ONLY applies to Dual Wield equipped characters who also have this passive enabled. Other than that, am I correct in thinking that there is no difference AT ALL (besides looks!) between mace, sword, dagger, and axe?

Yes?

You are right, but why Dual Wield if you're not using the passives?

What? Me? Ah. No, no... I was only commenting on the natural state of the weapons. When I remarked, only one (and now two) of my 6 characters had (and now two have) Level 50 Dual Wield and of course that passive is turned on for them. I made the initial remark (Post #5) without considering or really even remembering, about that passive. So, when I read people saying that the weapons (seemingly in their inherent state) possessed those qualities I was like... Huh, what? Where? How? ...Nothing more.

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