Any Soulshine builds?

psychotic13 · October 2016

Any builds with this set yet? Really can't decide if it's worth it or not, does this come in arcane Jewelery like Rattlecage does?

WalksonGraves · October 2016

I used to use it back in the day on my vampire, it was useful but there are better options now. Only a couple of channel spells are high dps.

Bandit1215 · October 2016

I wouldn't be bad on a magicka or stamina templar because both versions of Jabs is considered a channel, and WB is a channel so it might be better on a stam temp.

psychotic13 · October 2016

I'm thinking on a Magicka Templar for PvP, main sources of damage being sweeps, dark flare and Radiant Destruction, so all have a channel/cast time and I'll be using DoTs to proc skoria. Not sure what would be the best to pair with Skoria and Soulshine

WillhelmBlack · October 2016

Yeah I'm using it. It's BiS for PvP.

psychotic13 · October 2016

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Yeah I'm using it. It's BiS for PvP.

What are you using with it? I was thinking of going x5 Rattlecage (arcane jewlery) x5 Soulshine and x2 Skoria. But that would leave my Magicka very low.

WillhelmBlack · October 2016

psychotic13 wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Yeah I'm using it. It's BiS for PvP.

What are you using with it? I was thinking of going x5 Rattlecage (arcane jewlery) x5 Soulshine and x2 Skoria. But that would leave my Magicka very low.

Whatever works for you. Some use Desert Rose, Engine Guardian, Skoria but IMO the penetration from Spinners and the damage from Grothdarr in your Sweeps range is too hard to refuse on a heavy armour build. Your regen will be low but Channeled Focus and Harness Magicka spam and Constitution keeps me topped up, if it's a busy campaign I'd switch to Engine Guardian to never leave myself short. Use the new max magic/recovery food and put some cost reduction on your jewellery.

I don't play it much, it's a bit of a joke tbh 3500+ spell power whilst channeling or using cast time spells (basically all Templar's offensive spells), 6000+ penetration, decent crit and 40k Magicka on a frickin tank. Pretty OP.

runagate · October 2016

I'm using 5 Soulshine and 5 Cyrodiil's Light, with jewelry and dual swords/sword and board on my Nord templar.

[ edit ] Ritual and Remembrance have casting times, too.

leepalmer95 · October 2016

What does it affect on a templar?

Sweeps
Flare
Radiant?
Soul assault ?

Anything else?

Iyas · October 2016

I thought it doesnt affect sweeps?

leepalmer95 · October 2016

Iyas wrote: »

I thought it doesnt affect sweeps?

It should but it was bugged. Not sure if zos fixed it yet.

erik1618 · October 2016

for me it works on: breath of life, ritual of rebirth, dark flare, radiant oppression, remembrance (heal ult), soul assault. I do not see it working for sweeps.

psychotic13 · October 2016

erik1618 wrote: »

for me it works on: breath of life, ritual of rebirth, dark flare, radiant oppression, remembrance (heal ult), soul assault. I do not see it working for sweeps.

How does it work on breath of life and ritual of retribution? They're not channels and don't have a cast time...

peak99 · October 2016

Been sorc'ing it up this patch but I was planning on a 5HA/2LA build with Groth/soulshine/cyrodiil

I am not so sure now, while soulshine doesn't buff sweeps...Probably hold out and see if they fix it and just continue on the sorc for now.

UppGRAYxDD · October 2016

On Magplar IMOP:
1) 5 soulshine, 5 storm knight, 2 skoria for mag dks
2) 5 soulshine, 5 transmute(SnB back bar), 2 skoria and duel sharp willpower for open world Pvp
3) 5 soulshine, 5 clever(SnB back bar), 2 willpower jewelry, 2 skoria for melting ppls faces off with soul assault...

timidobserver · October 2016

Seems like spinner > soulshine given that soulshine doesn't work with sweep.

NiclasFridholm · October 2016

It works fine on sweeps, dont assume its not working just cause tooltip isnt increased...

timidobserver · October 2016

NiclasFridholm wrote: »

It works fine on sweeps, dont assume its not working just cause tooltip isnt increased...

It doesn't matter enough to me to grind gear to test it myself, but I have seen reports that it goes beyond the tooltip.

That said, I think Spinner might be better even if Soulshine is working with sweep.

ManDraKE · October 2016

NiclasFridholm wrote: »

It works fine on sweeps, dont assume its not working just cause tooltip isnt increased...

It dosn't work on jabs. Is bug.

danno8 · October 2016

ManDraKE wrote: »

NiclasFridholm wrote: »

It works fine on sweeps, dont assume its not working just cause tooltip isnt increased...

It dosn't work on jabs. Is bug.

It does work on Sweeps.

I've tested it over and over and over and over. It always increases the ACTUAL DAMAGE, but the tooltip is broken.

danno8 · October 2016

timidobserver wrote: »

NiclasFridholm wrote: »

It works fine on sweeps, dont assume its not working just cause tooltip isnt increased...

It doesn't matter enough to me to grind gear to test it myself, but I have seen reports that it goes beyond the tooltip.

That said, I think Spinner might be better even if Soulshine is working with sweep.

The 4000 Spell Penetration works out to be around 6% increase in damage, assuming you use all of it and don't already have lots of spell penetration and go over your enemies total resistance.

The extra 450 Spell Power on soulshine increased my damage by 265 per hit on my Sweeps, which with that particular build worked out to a 9% increase in damage. (had maybe 2500 sp damage on that build)

The extra 450 will not be increased by major sorcery, it is a flat amount added at the end of all other buffs.

Long story short, it depends on how much cast time/ channel skills make up your total DPS. If you mix it in with lots of DoT's and instant skills and Sweeps only account for 25% of your damage, then Spinners will be better for sure. If all you do is cast Dark Flare followed by RD over and over in the back of a zerg, then Soulshine is your winner.

timidobserver · October 2016

danno8 wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

NiclasFridholm wrote: »

It works fine on sweeps, dont assume its not working just cause tooltip isnt increased...

It doesn't matter enough to me to grind gear to test it myself, but I have seen reports that it goes beyond the tooltip.

That said, I think Spinner might be better even if Soulshine is working with sweep.

The 4000 Spell Penetration works out to be around 6% increase in damage, assuming you use all of it and don't already have lots of spell penetration and go over your enemies total resistance.

The extra 450 Spell Power on soulshine increased my damage by 265 per hit on my Sweeps, which with that particular build worked out to a 9% increase in damage. (had maybe 2500 sp damage on that build)

The extra 450 will not be increased by major sorcery, it is a flat amount added at the end of all other buffs.

Long story short, it depends on how much cast time/ channel skills make up your total DPS. If you mix it in with lots of DoT's and instant skills and Sweeps only account for 25% of your damage, then Spinners will be better for sure. If all you do is cast Dark Flare followed by RD over and over in the back of a zerg, then Soulshine is your winner.

Good analysis.

Cinbri · October 2016

Soulshine does work with sweep and always did, it was fun to listen that it doesn't (speculation to decrease prices on market? Side note: during creating of thread where people "claimed" it doesn't work, prices of soulshine gear decresed 3x times) but no more. Best off-sets for it: Spinner/Amber plasm/Rattlecage with arcane jewels.
Soulshine is too weak for open world but for 1v1 it unbeatable top set coz class don't have many dots for pressing but spamming main channel attack.

exeeter702 · October 2016

psychotic13 wrote: »

erik1618 wrote: »

for me it works on: breath of life, ritual of rebirth, dark flare, radiant oppression, remembrance (heal ult), soul assault. I do not see it working for sweeps.

How does it work on breath of life and ritual of retribution? They're not channels and don't have a cast time...

BoL absolutely has a cast time.....

Delsskia · October 2016

On my Magplar I've been using 2x Skoria, 5x Soulshine (3 armor pieces, 3 swords and a shield) and 5 Rattlecage (2 armor and 3 arcane jewelry)... Damn near everything I use is a dot, channel/cast time spell so Skoria procs all the time and my spell dmg equates to about 4500 with the set bonuses. I did lose about 5k magicka, but with the halloween food (health, magicka and magicka regen) and using the atronach mundus, I can get my magicka regen to about 1900 using impen gear.

I'm diggin the build so far.

psychotic13 · October 2016

exeeter702 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

erik1618 wrote: »

for me it works on: breath of life, ritual of rebirth, dark flare, radiant oppression, remembrance (heal ult), soul assault. I do not see it working for sweeps.

How does it work on breath of life and ritual of retribution? They're not channels and don't have a cast time...

BoL absolutely has a cast time.....

No, healing ritual has the 1s cast time...

psychotic13 · October 2016

Delsskia wrote: »

On my Magplar I've been using 2x Skoria, 5x Soulshine (3 armor pieces, 3 swords and a shield) and 5 Rattlecage (2 armor and 3 arcane jewelry)... Damn near everything I use is a dot, channel/cast time spell so Skoria procs all the time and my spell dmg equates to about 4500 with the set bonuses. I did lose about 5k magicka, but with the halloween food (health, magicka and magicka regen) and using the atronach mundus, I can get my magicka regen to about 1900 using impen gear.

I'm diggin the build so far.

I was thinking something similar, but couldn't decide which 2 out of spinners, soulshine and Rattlecage to go for, do you have a screenshot of your character sheet by any chance? Interested to see how it looks.

erik1618 · October 2016

psychotic13 wrote: »

erik1618 wrote: »

for me it works on: breath of life, ritual of rebirth, dark flare, radiant oppression, remembrance (heal ult), soul assault. I do not see it working for sweeps.

How does it work on breath of life and ritual of retribution? They're not channels and don't have a cast time...

You mean ritual of rebirth? That heal skill has a 1-1.5 second cast time depending on morph you choose.

It looks like from what others are saying that have tested soulshine is that it does work for puncturing sweeps. It just does not show it in the tooltip as increased damage, but causes the increased damage in combat when hitting another player. This makes sense because sweeps have a duration during the time you cast it and the time the skill ends. Glad to know this!

psychotic13 · October 2016

erik1618 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

erik1618 wrote: »

for me it works on: breath of life, ritual of rebirth, dark flare, radiant oppression, remembrance (heal ult), soul assault. I do not see it working for sweeps.

How does it work on breath of life and ritual of retribution? They're not channels and don't have a cast time...

You mean ritual of rebirth? That heal skill has a 1-1.5 second cast time depending on morph you choose.

I thought the same thing for breath of life because the tooltip says instant cast time, but I assure you it does increase the tooltip number and the actual healz to players are for real. Love this set on my templar healer (remembrance will heal for 11k-13k a second to all players around for 4 seconds while reducing damge 20%).

It looks like from what others are saying that have tested soulshine is that it does work for puncturing sweeps. It just does not show it in the tooltip as increased damage, but causes the increased damage in combat when hitting another player. This makes sense because sweeps have a duration during the time you cast it and the time the skill ends. Glad to know this!

I guess it's unintended if it works with BoL though right? Will test it when I finish farming

erik1618 · October 2016

psychotic13 wrote: »

erik1618 wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

erik1618 wrote: »

for me it works on: breath of life, ritual of rebirth, dark flare, radiant oppression, remembrance (heal ult), soul assault. I do not see it working for sweeps.

How does it work on breath of life and ritual of retribution? They're not channels and don't have a cast time...

You mean ritual of rebirth? That heal skill has a 1-1.5 second cast time depending on morph you choose.

I thought the same thing for breath of life because the tooltip says instant cast time, but I assure you it does increase the tooltip number and the actual healz to players are for real. Love this set on my templar healer (remembrance will heal for 11k-13k a second to all players around for 4 seconds while reducing damge 20%).

It looks like from what others are saying that have tested soulshine is that it does work for puncturing sweeps. It just does not show it in the tooltip as increased damage, but causes the increased damage in combat when hitting another player. This makes sense because sweeps have a duration during the time you cast it and the time the skill ends. Glad to know this!

I guess it's unintended if it works with BoL though right? Will test it when I finish farming

Not sure if it is unintended or not, but the extra healz are welcome

I did read some time ago that BoL received very short "cast-time" but the tooltip was not updated (think this was 1.6). Not sure if that still stands.

jrgray93 · October 2016

Soulshine isn't worth it as a primary set. Maybe as a supplement to something universally applicable, like Julianos, but even then, there are better secondary sets. Soulshine is bad because it doesn't boost the potential of your other spells, including heals. The jewelry also only comes in healthy, losing further damage potential. If you're doing PVP, you're better off running something like Kagrenac's or Julianos.