Curious About Monster Set "Balance"

Ch4mpTW · October 2016

Out of curiosity, why couldn't the Infernal Guardian set be the magicka version of Velidreth? Seriously. Why not make the Infernal Guardian set be the magicka version of Velidreth?

- They both shoot off 3 different things once proc'd, and yet Velidreth does dramatically more damage and has more range to hit things AoE-wise.
- The one piece of Infernal Guardian could grant spell damage, as there is no magicka monster set that does this. And it took until 1T to go live for magicka builds to even have a 1pcs. That grants max magicka.

Or better yet, why not make Shadowrend a true magicka variant of Selene's Set? Because all it is a semi-souped-up version of Maw of the Infernal, that has a 1pcs. grant magicka regeneration, and summons a shadow-like Clanfeer that maims stuff and also dies off relatively fast. Why not have that giant Clanfeer spawn, do a hard hitting attack as hard as the giant bear? And be able to be proc'd as often?

I don't get it. You all at ZOS keep telling us you want for there to be balance, but you do stuff like this constantly. And I can see you all are trying. Honest to goodness, I see it. You all made Spinner as a compliment to Spriggan's Thorns. As well as other similar things. But bruh, you have to step it up a bit. You have Bogdan's 2pcs. which still a joke, and things like Grothdar's 2pcs. and Iceheart 2pcs. which are mediocre at best. Grothdar's damage should be increased like Skoria, if it's going to last as short as it does. And Iceheart is just frustratingly bad.

Edit:
Why not make Bogdan be a 1pcs. that grants spell damage, and a 2pcs. that has a 20% chance to fire off a fiery shockwave similar to Bogdan's burndown/blast down skill. Or the shockwaves that Daedric titans do. The rolling fire that pushes outward, and has to be dodged from? The skill the titan in VMA uses in Stage 9, and the boss uses in Stage 8. The Ash titan does it as well. But instead of sending off tons of them in every direction, only have 1 of them be fired off. And give it the same cooldown as Tremorscale. And voila! You have a magicka version of Tremorscale, that does fire damage. AND! It fits the boss. And I'm sure it'd be way better received and loved, than the piece of junk Bogdan's set is currently.

lolo_01b16_ESO · October 2016

Are you talking about pvp or pve?
In pve grothdarr and ilambris are better than velidreth in most situations.
(btw. it's funny that you ask about what gear to use on a dk in an other thread and at the same time tell us that grothdarr needs a buff. maybe you should play with your dk a little before you ask for buffs)

In pvp you're right, veli and other stam sets are very strong. But do you really think adding a magicka version of velidreth to something like a vicious death / stygian or necropotence build would be healthy for the game?

Ch4mpTW · October 2016

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Are you talking about pvp or pve?
In pve grothdarr and ilambris are better than velidreth in most situations.
(btw. it's funny that you ask about what gear to use on a dk in an other thread and at the same time tell us that grothdarr needs a buff. maybe you should play with your dk a little before you ask for buffs)

In pvp you're right, veli and other stam sets are very strong. But do you really think adding a magicka version of velidreth to something like a vicious death / stygian or necropotence build would be healthy for the game?

Hm? I use Skoria on my MagDK DD for higher single target damage. Plus ZOS buffed it, making it all the better. Grothdarr I use on my MagPlar DD, and would love to see it's damage higher and on par with stamina damage output that has a constant AoE. And yes, I do think it would be healthy. Are the stamina proc sets right and left even healthy? Lol. Is the way stamina is currently designed right now with: Velidreth, Viper, Spriggan, Selene, Tremorscale, Vicious Serpent, Hundings, Night Mother's Gaze, etc. even healthy? Lol. Are stamina weapon ultimates healthy, when compared to the destruction and restoration staff ultimates?

kadar · October 2016

I don't get it. You all at ZOS keep telling us you want for there to be balance, but you do stuff like this constantly. And I can see you all are trying. Honest to goodness, I see it. You all made Spinner as a compliment to Spriggan's Thorns. As well as other similar things. But bruh, you have to step it up a bit. You have Bogdan's 2pcs. which still a joke, and things like Grothdar's 2pcs. and Iceheart 2pcs. which are mediocre at best. Grothdar's damage should be increased like Skoria, if it's going to last as short as it does. And Iceheart is just frustratingly bad.

I don't want more Stamina versions of Magicka sets, as you put it, or vice versa. Giving everything a mirror image of itself but for the opposite resource pool is not a good idea. Carry that philosophy through, and my Stamina character becomes my Magicka character but with a blue resource bar. I'm a firm believer that Magicka and Stamina builds should be as different as possible, and that they should each have access to different tools, ablities, and strengths while maintaining a reasonable balance in power.

idk · October 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Are you talking about pvp or pve?
In pve grothdarr and ilambris are better than velidreth in most situations.
(btw. it's funny that you ask about what gear to use on a dk in an other thread and at the same time tell us that grothdarr needs a buff. maybe you should play with your dk a little before you ask for buffs)

In pvp you're right, veli and other stam sets are very strong. But do you really think adding a magicka version of velidreth to something like a vicious death / stygian or necropotence build would be healthy for the game?

Hm? I use Skoria on my MagDK DD for higher single target damage. Plus ZOS buffed it, making it all the better. Grothdarr I use on my MagPlar DD, and would love to see it's damage higher and on par with stamina damage output that has a constant AoE. And yes, I do think it would be healthy. Are the stamina proc sets right and left even healthy? Lol. Is the way stamina is currently designed right now with: Velidreth, Viper, Spriggan, Selene, Tremorscale, Vicious Serpent, Hundings, Night Mother's Gaze, etc. even healthy? Lol. Are stamina weapon ultimates healthy, when compared to the destruction and restoration staff ultimates?

Then you should be using grothdar in your DK instead. Yes, they buffed skoria. Grothdar is that good.

Tryxus · October 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Are you talking about pvp or pve?
In pve grothdarr and ilambris are better than velidreth in most situations.
(btw. it's funny that you ask about what gear to use on a dk in an other thread and at the same time tell us that grothdarr needs a buff. maybe you should play with your dk a little before you ask for buffs)

In pvp you're right, veli and other stam sets are very strong. But do you really think adding a magicka version of velidreth to something like a vicious death / stygian or necropotence build would be healthy for the game?

Hm? I use Skoria on my MagDK DD for higher single target damage. Plus ZOS buffed it, making it all the better. Grothdarr I use on my MagPlar DD, and would love to see it's damage higher and on par with stamina damage output that has a constant AoE. And yes, I do think it would be healthy. Are the stamina proc sets right and left even healthy? Lol. Is the way stamina is currently designed right now with: Velidreth, Viper, Spriggan, Selene, Tremorscale, Vicious Serpent, Hundings, Night Mother's Gaze, etc. even healthy? Lol. Are stamina weapon ultimates healthy, when compared to the destruction and restoration staff ultimates?

Then you should be using grothdar in your DK instead. Yes, they buffed skoria. Grothdar is that good.

Except in round 7 of vMSA

Lexxypwns · October 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Are you talking about pvp or pve?
In pve grothdarr and ilambris are better than velidreth in most situations.
(btw. it's funny that you ask about what gear to use on a dk in an other thread and at the same time tell us that grothdarr needs a buff. maybe you should play with your dk a little before you ask for buffs)

In pvp you're right, veli and other stam sets are very strong. But do you really think adding a magicka version of velidreth to something like a vicious death / stygian or necropotence build would be healthy for the game?

Hm? I use Skoria on my MagDK DD for higher single target damage. Plus ZOS buffed it, making it all the better. Grothdarr I use on my MagPlar DD, and would love to see it's damage higher and on par with stamina damage output that has a constant AoE. And yes, I do think it would be healthy. Are the stamina proc sets right and left even healthy? Lol. Is the way stamina is currently designed right now with: Velidreth, Viper, Spriggan, Selene, Tremorscale, Vicious Serpent, Hundings, Night Mother's Gaze, etc. even healthy? Lol. Are stamina weapon ultimates healthy, when compared to the destruction and restoration staff ultimates?

Stamina is certainly stronger than magika, however, I know you haven't used eye of the storm in Pvp if you think it's not better than 2h/bow/DW ultis

Solus · October 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Are you talking about pvp or pve?
In pve grothdarr and ilambris are better than velidreth in most situations.
(btw. it's funny that you ask about what gear to use on a dk in an other thread and at the same time tell us that grothdarr needs a buff. maybe you should play with your dk a little before you ask for buffs)

In pvp you're right, veli and other stam sets are very strong. But do you really think adding a magicka version of velidreth to something like a vicious death / stygian or necropotence build would be healthy for the game?

, when compared to the destruction and restoration staff ultimates?

Yes, i was destroyed last night by a magblade that used the restoration staff ultimate and kept healing his own health. We fought for a long while, was able to get my health up, i would get him down to executing range and his health just insta-shot up again. We had a long conversation afterwords and yes, in certain situations the resto staff ult was actually better than my lacerate ult. I won one, he won one. It was a good couple of fights.

Ch4mpTW · October 2016

Solus wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Are you talking about pvp or pve?
In pve grothdarr and ilambris are better than velidreth in most situations.
(btw. it's funny that you ask about what gear to use on a dk in an other thread and at the same time tell us that grothdarr needs a buff. maybe you should play with your dk a little before you ask for buffs)

In pvp you're right, veli and other stam sets are very strong. But do you really think adding a magicka version of velidreth to something like a vicious death / stygian or necropotence build would be healthy for the game?

, when compared to the destruction and restoration staff ultimates?

Yes, i was destroyed last night by a magblade that used the restoration staff ultimate and kept healing his own health. We fought for a long while, was able to get my health up, i would get him down to executing range and his health just insta-shot up again. We had a long conversation afterwords and yes, in certain situations the resto staff ult was actually better than my lacerate ult. I won one, he won one. It was a good couple of fights.

Niiiiiice. I love hearing stories like these, about good and hardy duels. Not the insta-gibbing and proc-based skirmishes that last 8-15seconds. Your sir get an awesome.

Solus · October 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Solus wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Are you talking about pvp or pve?
In pve grothdarr and ilambris are better than velidreth in most situations.
(btw. it's funny that you ask about what gear to use on a dk in an other thread and at the same time tell us that grothdarr needs a buff. maybe you should play with your dk a little before you ask for buffs)

In pvp you're right, veli and other stam sets are very strong. But do you really think adding a magicka version of velidreth to something like a vicious death / stygian or necropotence build would be healthy for the game?

, when compared to the destruction and restoration staff ultimates?

Yes, i was destroyed last night by a magblade that used the restoration staff ultimate and kept healing his own health. We fought for a long while, was able to get my health up, i would get him down to executing range and his health just insta-shot up again. We had a long conversation afterwords and yes, in certain situations the resto staff ult was actually better than my lacerate ult. I won one, he won one. It was a good couple of fights.

Niiiiiice. I love hearing stories like these, about good and hardy duels. Not the insta-gibbing and proc-based skirmishes that last 8-15seconds. Your sir get an awesome.

We both had proc sets

i had viper he had valkyn head and shoulders (lol) but surprisingly they evened eachother out. like we both had our good battles. we both lost we both won.

Having said that, the proc stacking is poisonous to the game, but one isnt game breaking. I havent played a magicka user since PS4 back in February so i cant say much to that

ku5h · October 2016

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Are you talking about pvp or pve?
In pve grothdarr and ilambris are better than velidreth in most situations.
(btw. it's funny that you ask about what gear to use on a dk in an other thread and at the same time tell us that grothdarr needs a buff. maybe you should play with your dk a little before you ask for buffs)

In pvp you're right, veli and other stam sets are very strong. But do you really think adding a magicka version of velidreth to something like a vicious death / stygian or necropotence build would be healthy for the game?

Hm? I use Skoria on my MagDK DD for higher single target damage. Plus ZOS buffed it, making it all the better. Grothdarr I use on my MagPlar DD, and would love to see it's damage higher and on par with stamina damage output that has a constant AoE. And yes, I do think it would be healthy. Are the stamina proc sets right and left even healthy? Lol. Is the way stamina is currently designed right now with: Velidreth, Viper, Spriggan, Selene, Tremorscale, Vicious Serpent, Hundings, Night Mother's Gaze, etc. even healthy? Lol. Are stamina weapon ultimates healthy, when compared to the destruction and restoration staff ultimates?

Stamina is certainly stronger than magika, however, I know you haven't used eye of the storm in Pvp if you think it's not better than 2h/bow/DW ultis

This. Destro ulti is way over the top. My magplar in heavy can hardly outheal its dmg with 16k HoD. On top of that its very hard to actually see it if droped on top of you. Very commonly i see 25k+ Eye of the X in my death recap frop couple of ticks.

Mashille · October 2016

I actually really love how the Infernal Guardian set is. Love it in PvP.

Lexxypwns · October 2016

Solus wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Solus wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Are you talking about pvp or pve?
In pve grothdarr and ilambris are better than velidreth in most situations.
(btw. it's funny that you ask about what gear to use on a dk in an other thread and at the same time tell us that grothdarr needs a buff. maybe you should play with your dk a little before you ask for buffs)

In pvp you're right, veli and other stam sets are very strong. But do you really think adding a magicka version of velidreth to something like a vicious death / stygian or necropotence build would be healthy for the game?

, when compared to the destruction and restoration staff ultimates?

Yes, i was destroyed last night by a magblade that used the restoration staff ultimate and kept healing his own health. We fought for a long while, was able to get my health up, i would get him down to executing range and his health just insta-shot up again. We had a long conversation afterwords and yes, in certain situations the resto staff ult was actually better than my lacerate ult. I won one, he won one. It was a good couple of fights.

Niiiiiice. I love hearing stories like these, about good and hardy duels. Not the insta-gibbing and proc-based skirmishes that last 8-15seconds. Your sir get an awesome.

We both had proc sets i had viper he had valkyn head and shoulders (lol) but surprisingly they evened eachother out. like we both had our good battles. we both lost we both won.

Having said that, the proc stacking is poisonous to the game, but one isnt game breaking. I havent played a magicka user since PS4 back in February so i cant say much to that

ku5h wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Are you talking about pvp or pve?
In pve grothdarr and ilambris are better than velidreth in most situations.
(btw. it's funny that you ask about what gear to use on a dk in an other thread and at the same time tell us that grothdarr needs a buff. maybe you should play with your dk a little before you ask for buffs)

In pvp you're right, veli and other stam sets are very strong. But do you really think adding a magicka version of velidreth to something like a vicious death / stygian or necropotence build would be healthy for the game?

Hm? I use Skoria on my MagDK DD for higher single target damage. Plus ZOS buffed it, making it all the better. Grothdarr I use on my MagPlar DD, and would love to see it's damage higher and on par with stamina damage output that has a constant AoE. And yes, I do think it would be healthy. Are the stamina proc sets right and left even healthy? Lol. Is the way stamina is currently designed right now with: Velidreth, Viper, Spriggan, Selene, Tremorscale, Vicious Serpent, Hundings, Night Mother's Gaze, etc. even healthy? Lol. Are stamina weapon ultimates healthy, when compared to the destruction and restoration staff ultimates?

Stamina is certainly stronger than magika, however, I know you haven't used eye of the storm in Pvp if you think it's not better than 2h/bow/DW ultis

This. Destro ulti is way over the top. My magplar in heavy can hardly outheal its dmg with 16k HoD. On top of that its very hard to actually see it if droped on top of you. Very commonly i see 25k+ Eye of the X in my death recap frop couple of ticks.

I've been running eye of frost in conjunction with skoria, 1 skoria Proc during my ult and it's GG

Bigevilpeter · October 2016

Skoria, grothdar, illambris are the velidrith, selene and kr'agh s of magika

Ch4mpTW · October 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Skoria, grothdar, illambris are the velidrith, selene and kr'agh s of magika

Hm? How so? 1pcs. of Velidreth gives weapon damage. Magicka has no 1pcs. spell damage. Kr'agh gives physical penetration for 1pcs. Magicka has no 1pcs. spell penetration. And Selene I forget, and therefore I can't comment on it as I'm not knowledgeable of it off the top of my head.

GeneralPardon · October 2016

Ehh you forget Kena... It has 1pc spell damage.

Ch4mpTW · October 2016

GeneralPardon wrote: »

Ehh you forget Kena... It has 1pc spell damage.

@GeneralPardon I intentionally left out Molag Kena, as that's a set that can either lean towards magicka or stamina. It's not really something that's specifically either or. Like for example, Velidreth is specifically there for stamina builds, as Llambris is specifically there for magicka builds. Understand what I mean?

GeneralPardon · October 2016

I understand what you mean, but it incorrect to say that there are no 1 piece spell damage monster sets.

DeadlyRecluse · October 2016

I want to like iceheart. I made a build around iceheart...

But yeah it's super underwhelming. I love the mechanics of it, but it needs either the shield or the damage significantly increased. Probably both, tbh, as the only way to make the damage stick is to preemptively shieldstack a proc, which is unreliable (and still usually gives you like 1-2 seconds of damage in this meta).

alexkdd99 · October 2016

GeneralPardon wrote: »

I understand what you mean, but it incorrect to say that there are no 1 piece spell damage monster sets.

In relation to the topic it is irrelevant.

Fact is stamina monster sets > magicka monster sets.

olsborg · October 2016

The new class is called "Proccer" ....and everyone is playing it

Ch4mpTW · October 2016

olsborg wrote: »

The new class is called "Proccer" ....and everyone is playing it

To be honest, I don't even mind that. As I have decided to devote myself to all aspects of PvE to the fullest, and completely neglect PvP from here on out. However! I am fully aware of the issues caused by stamina-based proc-oriented sets in PvP, and the unbalanced havoc they are causing across all platforms of the game. I just want for magicka to have as many strong options as stamina, and be capable of pulling high amounts of DPS with versatility. That's all I want, to be honest.

Prabooo · October 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

- The one piece of Infernal Guardian could grant spell damage, as there is no magicka monster set that does this.

Ch4mpTW · October 2016

Prabooo wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

- The one piece of Infernal Guardian could grant spell damage, as there is no magicka monster set that does this.

You must've not read what I wrote another gentleman, or paid it no mind. Lol. But here, I'll happily say it again. Molag Kena is a set that is either STAMINA OR MAGICKA. It's not a set that leans in either direction like for example: Velidreth and Illambris. Calling Molag Kena a magicka-based set is false, and an inappropriate label for it. This is due to the reasoning I listed above. It goes either way. In what I talked about in my initial post, is a monster set that has it's 1pcs. strictly grant spell damage. Just as Velidreth strictly grants weapon damage. I can't make it anymore clear than that.