ESO - The only modern AAA MMO where you can't buy your way to the top?

Solus · October 2016

Mojmir wrote: »

P2W soon,at the latest,summer 2017. Any takers on that bet?

I call Q1 2017

Bet taken

alexkdd99 · October 2016

This is why I think it is funny when people start yelling eso is p2w. This game is so far from p2w when comparing to games that truly are p2w.

Elijah_Crow · October 2016

FireCowCommando wrote: »

Its funny to see posts talking about buying your way to the top with BDO on the list. Theres severe limitations on how much(little) you can do each week.

To buy your way to the top, it would take 1+ years and $10,000+ USD. Its not even worth the money, or the time. lol

Still it's allowed, and I'm not even going to talk about the items in the cash shop which provide other advantages....

Grabmoore · October 2016

Mojmir wrote: »

P2W soon,at the latest,summer 2017. Any takers on that bet?

I hold against that. The only thing we will get is P2HaveBagspace and P2OwnACastle.

Tholian1 · October 2016

Mojmir wrote: »

P2W soon,at the latest,summer 2017. Any takers on that bet?

The lock boxes are making me wonder about that. Especially if ZOS starts getting drunk on the profit they can generate.

Elsonso · October 2016

alexkdd99 wrote: »

This is why I think it is funny when people start yelling eso is p2w. This game is so far from p2w when comparing to games that truly are p2w.

That is true, but this thread is about paying the way to the top.

The policy is "do no harm" and that specifically means "don’t rock the boat by introducing items into the game that directly influence player power." There is nothing about purchasing a Level 50 character token from the Crown Store that does any harm. It does not influence player power. The player would still have to level skills and earn CP, just like with the Crown skills they already sell. Harmless shortcut for the player, and ZOS gets a little on the side.

Not that I want them to do this. I just expect them to do this. I can't see any reason why they would not. It seems to meet all of their criteria. Besides, Wildstar did it.

notimetocare · October 2016

Solus wrote: »

notimetocare wrote: »

Solus wrote: »

elvenmad wrote: »

Dont hold your breath, Crown Crates coming soon and we all know how cash shop RNG crates eventually worked out in other games that introduced the system.

AKA terribly. but they will implement this still because of the potential for making money

They work well or they wouldnt be everywhere. Simple logic

Just because it makes money for the company, doesnt mean it works well.

I don't play MMOs that have this gambling box feature, i have before. I really REALLY do not like it. It's a waste of time/money/resources the company could be utilizing to fix already broken in game features.

A company making no money has no manpower. Money makes your game run

notimetocare · October 2016

Mojmir wrote: »

P2W soon,at the latest,summer 2017. Any takers on that bet?

Only people that think this are morons and trolls. They already stated they dont want p2w

Solus · October 2016

notimetocare wrote: »

Solus wrote: »

notimetocare wrote: »

Solus wrote: »

elvenmad wrote: »

Dont hold your breath, Crown Crates coming soon and we all know how cash shop RNG crates eventually worked out in other games that introduced the system.

AKA terribly. but they will implement this still because of the potential for making money

They work well or they wouldnt be everywhere. Simple logic

Just because it makes money for the company, doesnt mean it works well.

I don't play MMOs that have this gambling box feature, i have before. I really REALLY do not like it. It's a waste of time/money/resources the company could be utilizing to fix already broken in game features.

A company making no money has no manpower. Money makes your game run

The adverse point to this is they've made money for the last two years without it.

This is just an effort to squeeze more with a mechanic that about 80% of the people on the forums are against, the PTS testers included.

Manoekin · October 2016

This game and WoW pretty much. While you can exchange your real life dollars for gold legitimately in WoW you can't buy your way to the top as the OP puts it. The best gear isn't sold, you have to complete content for it.

Solus · October 2016

notimetocare wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

P2W soon,at the latest,summer 2017. Any takers on that bet?

Only people that think this are morons and trolls. They already stated they dont want p2w

My comment in response to this one was just a jest, but once you implement things like crown crates into a game.... it is a slippery slope from there.

Elijah_Crow · October 2016

Manoekin wrote: »

This game and WoW pretty much. While you can exchange your real life dollars for gold legitimately in WoW you can't buy your way to the top as the OP puts it. The best gear isn't sold, you have to complete content for it.

That's not true at all.

You can buy all the Obliterum and all the crafted gear for every character slot (including trinkets) and upgrade every slot to item level 850 with gold you purchased with real life money. When 7.1 releases on October 25th, you can upgrade them to item level 855. This puts you in full raid tier gear by buying gold. Yes you have to play the game enough to get enough Blood of Sargeras to do the upgrades, but you can get enough with 2 days of skinning.

You can buy your way to "nearly" top tier, but fully geared for Mythic Raids.

On top of that, you can buy a brand new account, buy a character boost or just use the one that comes with the expansion, play for 3 days getting blood of sargeras and leveling the last 10 levels, buy gold and use it for all your gear and have a character doing mythic raids in full 850 (or 855 on the 25th) gear in 4 or 5 days at most. This is possible because of spending real life money, so yes..pay to win.

Mojmir · October 2016

notimetocare wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

P2W soon,at the latest,summer 2017. Any takers on that bet?

Only people that think this are morons and trolls. They already stated they dont want p2w

Or maybe we've been around long enough in gaming to see when a pattern starts. If you put your faith in their words,that's also moronic.

SteveCampsOut · October 2016

Solus wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

ZoS is currently looking at allowing gifting of crown store items. If this becomes a legit widespread system later on, it's basically exactly what you're hoping will never happen.

Not quite to the effect of others though. You wouldnt be gaining in game currency because you have an unbound rare item you can post to a store.

You're fooling yourself if you don't think people will pay ingame gold for gifted crowns.

Shimmer · October 2016

Manoekin wrote: »

This game and WoW pretty much. While you can exchange your real life dollars for gold legitimately in WoW you can't buy your way to the top as the OP puts it. The best gear isn't sold, you have to complete content for it.

Dont forget to mention in wow all those tokens you can buy to pop your way to 100, thats also quite literally "buying your way to the top" without completing ANY content.

Averya_Teira · October 2016

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

This game and WoW pretty much. While you can exchange your real life dollars for gold legitimately in WoW you can't buy your way to the top as the OP puts it. The best gear isn't sold, you have to complete content for it.

That's not true at all.

You can buy all the Obliterum and all the crafted gear for every character slot (including trinkets) and upgrade every slot to item level 850 with gold you purchased with real life money. When 7.1 releases on October 25th, you can upgrade them to item level 855. This puts you in full raid tier gear by buying gold. Yes you have to play the game enough to get enough Blood of Sargeras to do the upgrades, but you can get enough with 2 days of skinning.

You can buy your way to "nearly" top tier, but fully geared for Mythic Raids.

On top of that, you can buy a brand new account, buy a character boost or just use the one that comes with the expansion, play for 3 days getting blood of sargeras and leveling the last 10 levels, buy gold and use it for all your gear and have a character doing mythic raids in full 850 (or 855 on the 25th) gear in 4 or 5 days at most. This is possible because of spending real life money, so yes..pay to win.

850 is *** gear though.....

Elijah_Crow · October 2016

Averya_Teira wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

This game and WoW pretty much. While you can exchange your real life dollars for gold legitimately in WoW you can't buy your way to the top as the OP puts it. The best gear isn't sold, you have to complete content for it.

That's not true at all.

You can buy all the Obliterum and all the crafted gear for every character slot (including trinkets) and upgrade every slot to item level 850 with gold you purchased with real life money. When 7.1 releases on October 25th, you can upgrade them to item level 855. This puts you in full raid tier gear by buying gold. Yes you have to play the game enough to get enough Blood of Sargeras to do the upgrades, but you can get enough with 2 days of skinning.

You can buy your way to "nearly" top tier, but fully geared for Mythic Raids.

On top of that, you can buy a brand new account, buy a character boost or just use the one that comes with the expansion, play for 3 days getting blood of sargeras and leveling the last 10 levels, buy gold and use it for all your gear and have a character doing mythic raids in full 850 (or 855 on the 25th) gear in 4 or 5 days at most. This is possible because of spending real life money, so yes..pay to win.

850 is *** gear though.....

Bulls***. Do I need to link the logs from Emerald Nightmare Raids and Mythic ++++++ so you can see the gear scores of the players doing them? Wow has gone pay to win, and if you don't think so, you're kidding yourself.

Knock yourself out.

http://worldoflogs.com/ranking/eu-us/the-emerald-nightmare/nythendra/mythic/dps/

Soafee · October 2016

I'm happy about this as well. I actually have a chance of buying good items later in game and things haven't surpassed hundreds of thousands. Items in WoW are now above 500k or more. They have a mount in game that costs 2 million gold. The only good thing about gold in that game is you can use it to pay for your sub because WoW is NOT worth $15/month any longer.

It's login > Do dailies > Do your weekly boss > Maybe do your daily dungeons > Raid. All substance that made WoW so popular is completely gone. I played for 10 years, and I can't stand where they have gone with it. If it wasn't for gold paying for my account it wouldn't even be active any more. I'm having a lot of fun with ESO though! I love how the quest givers actually talk to you. It makes for a way more enjoyable experience! I also love how I can take my time with this game and I don't feel pressure to rush to end game.

Magicka_DK · October 2016

For now buy this game will slowly progress to P2W when then playerbase shrinks and Zeni has no income

Solus · October 2016

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Solus wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

ZoS is currently looking at allowing gifting of crown store items. If this becomes a legit widespread system later on, it's basically exactly what you're hoping will never happen.

Not quite to the effect of others though. You wouldnt be gaining in game currency because you have an unbound rare item you can post to a store.

You're fooling yourself if you don't think people will pay ingame gold for gifted crowns.

You misunderstood my reply to the above comment. I never once said i didnt think people would pay in game gold for crown crates, rather that it isn't, and wouldn't be to the effect of other games.

What i was implying was that once you open a box, the contents are bound to you. I was stating that once that happened, you wouldnt have "this item" that is rare and ready to sell to someone else. You just have a box, a slot machine-esque item that has no guarentees it would have anything of value really. The only value it has is the potential of having something rare, which economically speaking would be pretty low in terms of in game value.

Sure, if this was even implemented (probably) who would really regularly buy an RNG box for in game gold? Thats not gifting at that point, thats selling. Personally, i wouldnt do this, a majority of people on the forums are against it. Only those who have no idea what is going on behind the scenes will be fooled by something like this. Maybe a few people would do this, it'd have to be someone you trust, because i guarentee there will be no COD on a gifted item, because its just that; gifted.

Azuramoonstar · October 2016

ff14 is a sub game you can't buy your way to the top.

It is AAA and pretty popular

Agobi · October 2016

.....yet

MissBizz · October 2016

Sylance9 wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

ZoS is currently looking at allowing gifting of crown store items. If this becomes a legit widespread system later on, it's basically exactly what you're hoping will never happen.

I don't agree with this personally. I would love to be able to buy a mount for a friend on their birthday. As long as all the consumables are less powerful than crafted ones, and the other items are cosmetic, and no items can be sold for in game gold, I'm fine with gifting.

Even if someone was purchasing items for a character with a stolen credit card, It still can't impact the economy or character strength.

Who are you giving mounts too besides me?!?!?!

What if another goat comes out.. like a goat MOUNT?!? Would you buy me a goat?

Qyrk · October 2016

Can I please comment on how people have been saying this game will turn Pay to Win back in 2014?.....and it's 2016?

Some people just couldn't let go.

Mayrael · October 2016

Thats the most important reason why I stick to ESO even it has its flaws. In the end of the day, I know that I just would not want play a game where one runs content for a weeks to have hes gear and other one just pays for it with money of his parents (lets be honest here, if you earn your money on your own you know how hard it comes and you wont spend them on some virtual bunny ears for your toon, but if get them "just because" why not spend them the same way).

Elijah_Crow · October 2016

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

ff14 is a sub game you can't buy your way to the top.

It is AAA and pretty popular

I wondered about this. Good to see they are holding the line on pay to win as well.

Elijah_Crow · October 2016

MissBizz wrote: »

Sylance9 wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

ZoS is currently looking at allowing gifting of crown store items. If this becomes a legit widespread system later on, it's basically exactly what you're hoping will never happen.

I don't agree with this personally. I would love to be able to buy a mount for a friend on their birthday. As long as all the consumables are less powerful than crafted ones, and the other items are cosmetic, and no items can be sold for in game gold, I'm fine with gifting.

Even if someone was purchasing items for a character with a stolen credit card, It still can't impact the economy or character strength.

Who are you giving mounts too besides me?!?!?!

What if another goat comes out.. like a goat MOUNT?!? Would you buy me a goat?

Lol, I think I might actually be obligated to buy one for each of you in that case.

FireCowCommando · October 2016

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

FireCowCommando wrote: »

Its funny to see posts talking about buying your way to the top with BDO on the list. Theres severe limitations on how much(little) you can do each week.

To buy your way to the top, it would take 1+ years and $10,000+ USD. Its not even worth the money, or the time. lol

Still it's allowed, and I'm not even going to talk about the items in the cash shop which provide other advantages....

Its a moving target. thats to be competitive now. If you started today you would never catch up by simply using cash shop items. you would stay mid tier at best. You have to play the game, a lot. Theres no way around that if you want to be remotely competitive.