I actually like this idea, too many no lifers just want everything to take longer for no reason.

Like diablo 3 did with runes and it works pretty fine without ruining anything in the game

How about this: Why do we have achievements? I mean that just means you put in time and effort to do that achievement, why not just get it at the start?

Why do we have currency in game? It just means you saved, everything should be free so you can just play.

Why do we have armor? It just means you crafted or did content to do it, we should just pick what we want to wear by going into a menu.

Why do anything? All it means is you took action, the game should just do what I want it to do.



You can make the exact same question and argument with anything. The point is that games require you to do something to get something. It can be a side scroller platform game that you have to jump properly to win, or it can be ESO with things to do (such as collect skill points) to do what you want.

The difference in a MMO is you can do anything or nothing and you get exactly what you put into it. You are saying skip the exchange and go right to the reward. I think there is a much better argument on alts not having to do everything (like the CP system), but to argue never doing it in the first place when it is an exchange with achievements tied to it is just a nonsensical request.

DHale wrote: »

0/10 to get stuff you have to earn it. Game has already been too dumbed down.

Um . . . isn't leveling up still considered earning a skill?

Sallington wrote: »

Tonturri wrote: »

But which decisions? CLEARLY we should all be locked into one class, one race, one server, for all eternity because decisions should matter in RPGs.

No, that would be stupid. Just like blowing off the OP with 'decisions should matter'.

There's 8 character slots, so the one class one race thing is silly. Yes, we ARE restricted to one server (megaserver). And the OP is about skill points, of which there is enough in the game for multiple specs at ones.

My main is my master crafter (110ish skill points just in crafting), my healer, and my favorite DPS. With the ~295 skill points I have on him, that is extremely easy to do. I think I still have like 30-40 skill points I don't know what to do with.

The OP made a post complaining about skill points, most likely when he has between 50-100 of them, and is too lazy to go skyshard hunting, complete dungeon quests, rank up in PvP, complete main zone quests, etc. There's far too many skill points at our disposal to complain about them being restricting.

Make your guy a hybrid. I'm at 320 and am about 14sp short of my total build. I'm gonna do craglorn and then it's PvP until I can get enough to play any way I want.

Trust me it's a great way to burn sp on a single character. Good to see I'm not the only one going crazy on collecting sp because I like to do everything on one character.

You are conflating 3 things here: load outs, skill points, and class.

Load outs: saving some configurations of skills you have to speed changing roles/specs/etc.

Skill Points: the skills you need to buy the skills you want to have.

Class: the type of character which defines 3 skill trees you get to choose from.


I don't think anyone here would argue against load outs, but being able to switch class type or to get skill points without investing the effort (or crowns if you could switch classes) I don't think you will find a lot of love for.

So yeah, within the character you have with everything you've done todate, I would love to have some pre-setup gear&skill combos so its a 2 second ordeal to go to PvP, dungeon, farm, trials, duels, etc.

Well, i see the reason to do it all for the first toon, but it doesnt make sense to repeat the same thing for all other toons. Then whats the difference from swear shop factories? Make he skill points, skyshards, books, dyes account wide pls. Its not being dumbed down its called better usage of people's time. And agree with op skill/morph change should be free in all sense, especially following the spirit of one tamriel.

KaiVox22 wrote: »

DHale wrote: »

0/10 to get stuff you have to earn it. Game has already been too dumbed down.

How on earth is running around *** maps pressing E on sparkly things 'earning' it?

This. They use that argument way too much, they have nothing better to say.

I like the idea, it'd work similar to Diablo 3.

Also agree with the idea of resetting a single point at a time instead of morphs or all at once.
The way the system works now each skill point has a set cost to reset, they could make it so you could remove skill points paying only for the ones you want to remove.

teladoy wrote: »

I'm just saying make it easy.

What's next? Do you want them to give you max riding skills when you make a new char for free? How about free sets of gold gear for every lvl? How about they start you off with 10 million gold in your bank? It's people like you who want everything handed to them on a silver platter that ruin games. If you want easy go play checkers, but by how your post sounds, you'd probably think that's too hard also.

There needs to be improvements here with the skills. I think we need templates. You still need to acquire you skill points but you could have multiple templates for PvE, PvP or trials or whatever with different skills then all you would need to do is apply that template and all of the skills and even gear changes would be applied in seconds.

Maikon wrote: »

teladoy wrote: »

I'm just saying make it easy.

What's next? Do you want them to give you max riding skills when you make a new char for free? How about free sets of gold gear for every lvl? How about they start you off with 10 million gold in your bank? It's people like you who want everything handed to them on a silver platter that ruin games. If you want easy go play checkers, but by how your post sounds, you'd probably think that's too hard also.

I knew it.

I opened this post to talk about skill points but a big part of you just exaggerate everything, bringing everything out of context. I'm not asking for free gear, free riding skills and free etc. I'm asking to do something more easy and dynamic instead of have to pay for it.

It is nothing new what I'm saying, it is already implemented! you can change your skills points in the same way as if it would be for free with the only difference that you can do it in the moment, quick and for free, without have to visit a guy and pay.

I also said: if this idea is not good at least we need a swap build method, like any other MMORPG has.

By the way do you know that riding skills you had to feed every horse before and then they change it that all mounts are shared?


For me the problem is not that is hard, for example I'm a Templar that likes to go in Cyrodill and do Dungeons and is really frustrating when I have to chose between one morph or another and I was asking myself the other day, what a stupid thing, I know what skills I need to be effective in dungeons, but I can't pick them because I need the other morph for pvp.

So what happen here?

I have to go to that guy, pay for reset ALL my morphs, pick what i need for pve and after one day that I want to go in Cyrodill I have to pay again!

Do you catch my point?

Maybe for you is not necessary change skill points, but for me it is.

teladoy wrote: »

Maikon wrote: »

teladoy wrote: »

I'm just saying make it easy.

What's next? Do you want them to give you max riding skills when you make a new char for free? How about free sets of gold gear for every lvl? How about they start you off with 10 million gold in your bank? It's people like you who want everything handed to them on a silver platter that ruin games. If you want easy go play checkers, but by how your post sounds, you'd probably think that's too hard also.

I knew it.

I opened this post to talk about skill points but a big part of you just exaggerate everything, bringing everything out of context. I'm not asking for free gear, free riding skills and free etc. I'm asking to do something more easy and dynamic instead of have to pay for it.

It is nothing new what I'm saying, it is already implemented! you can change your skills points in the same way as if it would be for free with the only difference that you can do it in the moment, quick and for free, without have to visit a guy and pay.

I also said: if this idea is not good at least we need a swap build method, like any other MMORPG has.

By the way do you know that riding skills you had to feed every horse before and then they change it that all mounts are shared?


For me the problem is not that is hard, for example I'm a Templar that likes to go in Cyrodill and do Dungeons and is really frustrating when I have to chose between one morph or another and I was asking myself the other day, what a stupid thing, I know what skills I need to be effective in dungeons, but I can't pick them because I need the other morph for pvp.

So what happen here?

I have to go to that guy, pay for reset ALL my morphs, pick what i need for pve and after one day that I want to go in Cyrodill I have to pay again!

Do you catch my point?

Maybe for you is not necessary change skill points, but for me it is.

It is cheap as respect morphs. Real cheap. It is also necessary as a gold sink. Get over your laziness and go respec.

No. That being said, the continued adding of more non-combat kills than added available skill points is starting to become frustrating. Prior to TG an DB I had plenty of Skill Points to still be a master crafter while reasonably limiting what combat abilities I had available. My main concern is when Furniture crafting is released with Housing in the next update. If that utilizes a whole new skill line with similar numbers of skill points to the other crafting lines, it is going to become impossible to have a toon be a master crafter and also be used for anything else unless the update comes with more new skill points than we've seen with the previous updates.

I don't say remove the points, but make it like CP's. Account wide. After leveling 4 toons to at least level 50, it's boring and overly fustrating to have to run around all over Tamriel to get these stupid shards. Then you have to contend with not having access to the zone, trying to find someone to help get a wayshrine etc. I've done this 4....freaking...times!!!!

If ZoS wants to stay competitive in this industry, they need to make leveling (after you have a max toon) almost like throwing a toon together on the PTS. I'm sorry, I don't have time to go thru NPC speeches for quests to get points, I don't have time to go thru quests just to get pointed to the zone next door that I should be able to access regardless of level, Main questline, etc etc..I've done it all once. That was enough. Make skill points account wide and be done with it.