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Briarheart vs Automaton/Sword-Dancer etc
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So I was studying sets in my addon "Itemization Browser" and came over Briarheart, a set that I had all but forgotten about. Now when I compared this set vs Automaton and Sword-dancer/singer etc, I quickly found it weaker, the heal you get from Briarheart is very weak, specially if you count being in cyrodiil too. How about some kinda buff to briarheart? Either remove the cooldown or buff the heal or buff the weapon dmg?
(there are other sets that needs buff compared to these new sets, specially most of the crafted sets, but that is another story)
@Wrobel
(there are other sets that needs buff compared to these new sets, specially most of the crafted sets, but that is another story)
@Wrobel
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Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭IIRC the heal from Briarheart isn't affected by battle spirit and it crits. While the Briarthorns are active there's no cooldown on the heal either, so if you throw caltrops on a decent size group of enemies you will get some pretty decent heals. That being said, it's still a pretty lackluster set.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
PS4_ZeColmeia✭✭✭✭✭Quick check. Doesn't Briarheart work from every crit both to activate and once active?PSN: ***___Chan (3 _s)
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✭✭✭PS4_ZeColmeia wrote: »Quick check. Doesn't Briarheart work from every crit both to activate and once active?
10% chance to proc on any crit, so DoTs will proc it. It lasts 10 seconds with a 15 second cooldown.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
PS4_ZeColmeia✭✭✭✭✭So seems like it's just an AOE set/DOT set. I don't see the problem with the values (other than AOE caps) since this would be a sustain and either pairs well with an AOE heal (as a NB sap essence) or reduces the need to heal thus freeing up bar space. What am I missing?PSN: ***___Chan (3 _s)
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✭✭✭✭✭PS4_ZeColmeia wrote: »So seems like it's just an AOE set/DOT set. I don't see the problem with the values (other than AOE caps) since this would be a sustain and either pairs well with an AOE heal (as a NB sap essence) or reduces the need to heal thus freeing up bar space. What am I missing?
The weapon dmg from the procc is 449 gold quality on briarheart, with a 15 second cooldown.
The constant weapon dmg from say, sword dancer set is 450.
The constant weapon dmg from automaton is 400.
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✭✭✭✭✭PS4_ZeColmeia wrote: »So seems like it's just an AOE set/DOT set. I don't see the problem with the values (other than AOE caps) since this would be a sustain and either pairs well with an AOE heal (as a NB sap essence) or reduces the need to heal thus freeing up bar space. What am I missing?
The weapon dmg from the procc is 449 gold quality on briarheart, with a 15 second cooldown.
The constant weapon dmg from say, sword dancer set is 450.
The constant weapon dmg from automaton is 400.
I believe the weapon damage from Briarheart is the actual character sheet weapon stat and can thus be buffed by Major/Minor Brutality, 5 pieces Medium Armor, Fighters Guild skills being slotted, etc. So that 449 weapon damage on Briarheart can be buffed up to the area of 650-675 weapon damage. And it affects all stamina-based attacks.
Sword Dancer and Automaton are internal values that buff certain damage types. I do not think those kind of targeted increases benefit from weapon damage buffs like Major/Minor Brutality, 5 pieces Medium Armor, Fighters Guild skills being slotted, etc.
So there is downtime on Briarheart compared to some of these new sets, but Briarheart will give you considerably more weapon damage when it does proc.1 -
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✭✭✭TheDarkRuler wrote: »Does someone know if Damage over Time-crit heals as well?
Yes, so with a high crit build and a bunch of DoTs up you can get that heal several times in a second.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
PS4_ZeColmeia✭✭✭✭✭TheDarkRuler wrote: »Does someone know if Damage over Time-crit heals as well?
Yes, so with a high crit build and a bunch of DoTs up you can get that heal several times in a second.
Sounds like a great pair with DK and/or Skoria...PSN: ***___Chan (3 _s)
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Yep. Briarheart on a Stamplar is a REALLY good fit. In addition to all the other buffs (Medium's 12% buff), Templar's Balanced Warrior gives a 6% Weapon Damage Buff and Jabs' self buff greatly raises the chance to proc the set. Given Briarheart buffs weapon damage across the board (instead of a particular skill line) it can be really strong in the hands of a Stamplar. It's not the best set out there, but it's a fun set all the same.Dagoth_Rac wrote: »I believe the weapon damage from Briarheart is the actual character sheet weapon stat and can thus be buffed by Major/Minor Brutality, 5 pieces Medium Armor, Fighters Guild skills being slotted, etc. So that 449 weapon damage on Briarheart can be buffed up to the area of 650-675 weapon damage. And it affects all stamina-based attacks.
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✭✭✭✭✭PS4_ZeColmeia wrote: »Do those sets heal?
You mean to think a 600 heal on tooltip is great? Its cut in half in cyro also.. The heal is laughable. In pve it can serve a purpose, but id easily take automaton or sword dancer sets over briarheart.
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PS4_ZeColmeia✭✭✭✭✭PS4_ZeColmeia wrote: »Do those sets heal?
You mean to think a 600 heal on tooltip is great? Its cut in half in cyro also.. The heal is laughable. In pve it can serve a purpose, but id easily take automaton or sword dancer sets over briarheart.
No but I'll put it this way.
AOE cap=6
6*600=3600hp per cast if all crit (let's assume 50% crit therefore 1800 hp per cast)
Assume no weaving and you take 1.5s to cast the next spell
10/1.5=6 casts
6*1800 = 10400hp during the 10s.
Now then let's say it's paired with Sap essence (I have a 1727 per hit heal on my tool tip)
I do 6*1727*6= 62,172 per 10s or 10362hp per cast
Basically it would give me a free sap essence by the end of the set proc. Amazing? Not necessarily but enough to keep you alive or get you back to single target dps? yup
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✭✭✭✭✭Is Briarheart still impossible to find around Wrothgar and Cyrodiil chests? Or was it moved like all the new sets?0 -
PS4_ZeColmeia✭✭✭✭✭Assume it's in chests still (i used to get all the time) but you can get from delves, dolmens and public dungeons now as well
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✭✭✭✭✭PS4_ZeColmeia wrote: »PS4_ZeColmeia wrote: »Do those sets heal?
You mean to think a 600 heal on tooltip is great? Its cut in half in cyro also.. The heal is laughable. In pve it can serve a purpose, but id easily take automaton or sword dancer sets over briarheart.
No but I'll put it this way.
AOE cap=6
6*600=3600hp per cast if all crit (let's assume 50% crit therefore 1800 hp per cast)
Assume no weaving and you take 1.5s to cast the next spell
10/1.5=6 casts
6*1800 = 10400hp during the 10s.
Now then let's say it's paired with Sap essence (I have a 1727 per hit heal on my tool tip)
I do 6*1727*6= 62,172 per 10s or 10362hp per cast
Basically it would give me a free sap essence by the end of the set proc. Amazing? Not necessarily but enough to keep you alive or get you back to single target dps? yup
Assuming you have it procced.... I get what you say, I do, but I still feel its underwhelming when you compare it to the other sets introduced with 1T.
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