PvPers please stop trying to get all the new armour sets nerfed
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✭Tan9oSuccka wrote: »Why should they take away what ive worked so hard to get, just so you dont die so fast?
Two words: Git good.
I like how things are, they shouldnt change a thing when it comes to sets.
The irony. Everyone can do that so I think you're the one that needs to "git good" for relying on broken sets.
I never understand this either. Unless he's joking.
Instant killing someone with multiple armor procs? "Pure skill bruh!"
Exactly. I'm NOT very good at PvP and these proc help me tremendously in PvP.danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »Khaos_Bane wrote: »danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »Ok I have to ask it ... as a PVEer what is the point of grinding a BIS set if you're never planning on using it in PVP?
This strikes me like someone owning a NASCAR but never bringing it to a track.
This has always flummoxed me.
To play the content and advance. Derp Derp Derp
But you're not really advancing. Most of the time you're doing the same content.
What are you talking about? I have advanced a lot. There was a time when I wasn't geared and didn't have the CP for more difficult Vet dungeons, vDSA, or vet trials. Some of the best PvP gear isn't even ideal for PvE. You don't make any sense or even know what you are talking about.
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Nyx2✭✭✭✭XDragonDoomX wrote: »XDragonDoomX wrote: »
We're not loud it's just that you are incapable of formulating any arguments to begin with so please don't try to make that look like some act of intellect to not be engaged in discussion. Because then I don't know what you're doing on a forum.
And no, "I pay money" is not a reason to persist on imbalance". The point of every mmo / pvp game is to have balance. You literally don't understand the issues with this game but feel the need to take some sort of position anyways. Which in this case is hating on more invested / hardcore players players because they probably want to make the game unplayable and can't possibly know whats good with all their knowledge and experience. Why not make some meaningful posts instead trying to shut people up with incorrectly used quotes?
1. You are loud.
2. I've never used the 'pay money' argument.
3. Sorry you had a sense of humour failure
4. On reflection, I think the quote wasn't just correctly used, it was perfectly timed.
I prefer humor that is actually funny.
I could say the exact same thing about this thread or PvE complaining about "too difficult content". But unlike you I know how to argue instead of trying to mock others with your ignorance and ad hominem. The part about money wasn't addressing you. I just responded to whatever weak arguments were brought up and quoted you for the context of "comments like these". You still have to contribute with anything meaningful yet.1 -
JR_Returns✭✭✭I think that the best answer to the problem would be to separate the sets and skill for PvP and PvE.
That way the PvE player would be happy because their skill weren't being constantly nerfed.
PvP player would also see benefits. With the skill and sets only effecting PvP it would be easier to balance the game, as PvE would no longer be a factor that had to be considered. That would make balancing the PvP game quicker and easier.
Trying to get balance in the game by making big changes every 3 months is never going to work.
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✭danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »Ok I have to ask it ... as a PVEer what is the point of grinding a BIS set if you're never planning on using it in PVP?
This strikes me like someone owning a NASCAR but never bringing it to a track.
This has always flummoxed me.phreatophile wrote: »The sheer myopia demonstrated above.
The vitriol, the venom, the unadulterated butt-hurt of the last 5 pages... it warms the cockles of my cold black PVE heart.
Carry on!danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »It was a legit question. Not everything is trolling. I asked because I don't understand it and would like to. So I'll ask again, what is the point of grinding the best gear in the game if you're not going to use it competitively in PVP?
Ok, my response was pretty trollish, but the myopia evident in what you asked is the great stinking sludge flow right through the middle of this entire thread.
Your premise is laughable to me. You don't seem able to understand there is a huge portion of the player base that neither likes nor give a slim shadow of a crap about PVP. I see it as a never-ending hamster wheel of this keep, that keep, over the bridge back and forth fighting the same batch of people over and over and over for the same patch of virtual dirt with occasional trips on the horsie simulator when you screw up or get zerged down. I'm well and truly glad you enjoy it. It doesn't interest me for more than an hour or so. I suspect some variation of that is exactly how you feel about PVE. Your question presupposes that the only legit game-play is PVP, all else is pointless.
I understand how you feel, your question demonstrates that the understanding only goes one way.
Some people want gear to improve their character to complete harder content, some people just enjoy the search, some have OCD and have to have best in slot even if the end result is making everything a cakewalk. Some just enjoy running dungeons and trials with their friends and gear collection is something to do, some are striving for places on the leader-boards and every improvement brings them closer to their goal. So there are a few very obvious answers to the question.1 -
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✭✭✭✭Khaos_Bane wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »Why should they take away what ive worked so hard to get, just so you dont die so fast?
Two words: Git good.
I like how things are, they shouldnt change a thing when it comes to sets.
The irony. Everyone can do that so I think you're the one that needs to "git good" for relying on broken sets.
I never understand this either. Unless he's joking.
Instant killing someone with multiple armor procs? "Pure skill bruh!"
Exactly. I'm NOT very good at PvP and these proc help me tremendously in PvP.danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »Khaos_Bane wrote: »danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »Ok I have to ask it ... as a PVEer what is the point of grinding a BIS set if you're never planning on using it in PVP?
This strikes me like someone owning a NASCAR but never bringing it to a track.
This has always flummoxed me.
To play the content and advance. Derp Derp Derp
But you're not really advancing. Most of the time you're doing the same content.
What are you talking about? I have advanced a lot. There was a time when I wasn't geared and didn't have the CP for more difficult Vet dungeons, vDSA, or vet trials. Some of the best PvP gear isn't even ideal for PvE. You don't make any sense or even know what you are talking about.
You're an angry individual. Any way, that aside, obviously you advance from 1 to CP 561. No doubt about it. What I question is once you're good enough to obtain the best gear possible, what do you do with it? You can't advance further.
So to reiterate ... once you have grinded the best gear possible, what exactly do you do with it?2 -
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✭✭✭✭phreatophile wrote: »danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »Ok I have to ask it ... as a PVEer what is the point of grinding a BIS set if you're never planning on using it in PVP?
This strikes me like someone owning a NASCAR but never bringing it to a track.
This has always flummoxed me.phreatophile wrote: »The sheer myopia demonstrated above.
The vitriol, the venom, the unadulterated butt-hurt of the last 5 pages... it warms the cockles of my cold black PVE heart.
Carry on!danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »It was a legit question. Not everything is trolling. I asked because I don't understand it and would like to. So I'll ask again, what is the point of grinding the best gear in the game if you're not going to use it competitively in PVP?
Ok, my response was pretty trollish, but the myopia evident in what you asked is the great stinking sludge flow right through the middle of this entire thread.
Your premise is laughable to me. You don't seem able to understand there is a huge portion of the player base that neither likes nor give a slim shadow of a crap about PVP. I see it as a never-ending hamster wheel of this keep, that keep, over the bridge back and forth fighting the same batch of people over and over and over for the same patch of virtual dirt with occasional trips on the horsie simulator when you screw up or get zerged down. I'm well and truly glad you enjoy it. It doesn't interest me for more than an hour or so. I suspect some variation of that is exactly how you feel about PVE. Your question presupposes that the only legit game-play is PVP, all else is pointless.
I understand how you feel, your question demonstrates that the understanding only goes one way.
Some people want gear to improve their character to complete harder content, some people just enjoy the search, some have OCD and have to have best in slot even if the end result is making everything a cakewalk. Some just enjoy running dungeons and trials with their friends and gear collection is something to do, some are striving for places on the leader-boards and every improvement brings them closer to their goal. So there are a few very obvious answers to the question.
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Sorry dude, I am a guy who has done every single vet trial, already got the new dungeon achievements, etc and confirm you that none of the new burst sets are worth it for PvE.
can never find anyone to do trials with, so i have done none of them. i tried may of lorkhaj solo, but it takes forever. wih they had a dungeon finder for trials too.0 -
Solus✭✭✭✭How about we just remove all sets from Cyrodiil? Fight with plain armor?
There are counters to sets, if people cant figure it out then its on them. I like the challenge.The-Pumpkin-King // Stamblade
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Nyx2✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »What is this new hate against proc sets? Will you demand anything that tip the ballance remotely in someones favor, something required for PVP to even function be removed from the game?
PVP players will not be happy until there is one single class, one single armour and weapon set, and one bar with a single pre-ordained set of abilities. They will probably demand that the game has GCD so that no one can get an advantage by being able to spam Caltrops and Vigor a femtosecond quicker than someone else. They will then proudly proclaim that the game has balance, conveniently forgetting that the numbers in each zerg have far more effect on balance than their precious sets.
You do realize that this is exactly what you are promoting, right? Only few viable choices due to broken and poorly tested armor sets / skills. They are used because they are the best. That is exactly what creates "only one playstyle / armor / weapon set". What we want is more variety with reasonable balance. The exact opposite of what you try to strawman. But of course understanding that would require you to actually listen and care about anyone other than you.4 -
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Yeah, you're right. I bet that even if that were to happen, ppl would still QQ about it"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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raglau✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »What is this new hate against proc sets? Will you demand anything that tip the ballance remotely in someones favor, something required for PVP to even function be removed from the game?
PVP players will not be happy until there is one single class, one single armour and weapon set, and one bar with a single pre-ordained set of abilities. They will probably demand that the game has GCD so that no one can get an advantage by being able to spam Caltrops and Vigor a femtosecond quicker than someone else. They will then proudly proclaim that the game has balance, conveniently forgetting that the numbers in each zerg have far more effect on balance than their precious sets.
You do realize that this is exactly what you are promoting, right? Only few viable choices due to broken and poorly tested armor sets / skills. They are used because they are the best. That is exactly what creates "only one playstyle / armor / weapon set". What we want is more variety with reasonable balance. The exact opposite of what you try to strawman. But of course understanding that would require you to actually listen and care about anyone other than you.
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Very convincing coming from the guy that uses those sets and desperately wants to keep them the way they are.Edited by Nyx2 on October 17, 2016 10:01PM2 -
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I guess @Nyx2's arguments were simply too much for you to try and keep up your act.Doctordarkspawn wrote: »What is this new hate against proc sets? Will you demand anything that tip the ballance remotely in someones favor, something required for PVP to even function be removed from the game?
PVP players will not be happy until there is one single class, one single armour and weapon set, and one bar with a single pre-ordained set of abilities. They will probably demand that the game has GCD so that no one can get an advantage by being able to spam Caltrops and Vigor a femtosecond quicker than someone else. They will then proudly proclaim that the game has balance, conveniently forgetting that the numbers in each zerg have far more effect on balance than their precious sets.
You do realize that this is exactly what you are promoting, right? Only few viable choices due to broken and poorly tested armor sets / skills. They are used because they are the best. That is exactly what creates "only one playstyle / armor / weapon set". What we want is more variety with reasonable balance. The exact opposite of what you try to strawman. But of course understanding that would require you to actually listen and care about anyone other than you.
Proc'd.
Next!
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BlanketFort✭✭✭✭danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »phreatophile wrote: »danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »Ok I have to ask it ... as a PVEer what is the point of grinding a BIS set if you're never planning on using it in PVP?
This strikes me like someone owning a NASCAR but never bringing it to a track.
This has always flummoxed me.
The sheer myopia demonstrated above.
The vitriol, the venom, the unadulterated butt-hurt of the last 5 pages... it warms the cockles of my cold black PVE heart.
Carry on!
It was a legit question. Not everything is trolling. I asked because I don't understand it and would like to. So I'll ask again, what is the point of grinding the best gear in the game if you're not going to use it competitively in PVP?
I can only give you my reasons.
Why I don't do PvP: I greatly dislike PvP. It's simply not my thing. It makes me nervous and aggressive. It doesn't bring me any kind of satisfaction, joy, or fun. I'm not sayings it's "bleh", just that I'm not interested in it. I'm not the kind of player for it.
Why I grind for gear: I like PvE play style. It keeps me concentrated, peaceful, and yet slightly absent from the present. Getting that specific gear after a long and hard Boss fight gives me a sense of accomplishment, like when I manage not to burn my sunny side up eggs. It means I made it through and this is my reward. And it's a lot of fun learning boss mechanics, it's joyfully frustrating. I like having a rotation I can rely on and boss mechanics I can learn to predict and adapt to. And having new toys with which to take that same boss down again. I suppose, it's the randomness in PvP that I can't seem to handle. And that's fine.
TL;DR: a sense of advancement in one's skill as a player.1 -
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✭✭✭✭BlanketFort wrote: »danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »phreatophile wrote: »danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »Ok I have to ask it ... as a PVEer what is the point of grinding a BIS set if you're never planning on using it in PVP?
This strikes me like someone owning a NASCAR but never bringing it to a track.
This has always flummoxed me.
The sheer myopia demonstrated above.
The vitriol, the venom, the unadulterated butt-hurt of the last 5 pages... it warms the cockles of my cold black PVE heart.
Carry on!
It was a legit question. Not everything is trolling. I asked because I don't understand it and would like to. So I'll ask again, what is the point of grinding the best gear in the game if you're not going to use it competitively in PVP?
I can only give you my reasons.
Why I don't do PvP: I greatly dislike PvP. It's simply not my thing. It makes me nervous and aggressive. It doesn't bring me any kind of satisfaction, joy, or fun. I'm not sayings it's "bleh", just that I'm not interested in it. I'm not the kind of player for it.
Why I grind for gear: I like PvE play style. It keeps me concentrated, peaceful, and yet slightly absent from the present. Getting that specific gear after a long and hard Boss fight gives me a sense of accomplishment, like when I manage not to burn my sunny side up eggs. It means I made it through and this is my reward. And it's a lot of fun learning boss mechanics, it's joyfully frustrating. I like having a rotation I can rely on and boss mechanics I can learn to predict and adapt to. And having new toys with which to take that same boss down again. I suppose, it's the randomness in PvP that I can't seem to handle. And that's fine.
TL;DR: a sense of advancement in one's skill as a player.
Thanks! Eggs can be frustrating. Oddly it's the complete randomness that keeps me coming back to PVP.
Side story: been gaming for 30 years but ESO is my first MMO that I've played hardcore. I've dabbled in others but never more than a few months. Anyway, when I picked it up I was so excited to play Elder Scrolls with my buddy who was a super intense WOW player. When I invited him to Cyrodiil he declined and said, "I don't PVP" which kind of broke my brain. Don't get me wrong, I love adventuring as much as the next guy but "I don't PVP" just seemed weird. Then I came here an learned ... PVE only people exist? I honestly didn't even know this was a thing. Now I very much do and your explanation helped me better understand that viewpoint.
Thanks!
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raglau✭✭✭✭✭danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »Then I came here an learned ... PVE only people exist? I honestly didn't even know this was a thing. Now I very much do and your explanation helped me better understand that viewpoint.
I played ESO since early beta right up to now, with about a year off, and did not play any PvP until I came back to the game. As a TES fan who has played all TES games, PvE is a staple of my ESO life, so I never really considered PvP until I needed a couple of abilities to try on my build. I am glad I did in fact try it because I do enjoy it. Sure, it's not the best PvP experience out there, it feels very much like a work in progress and is very rough around the edges, but it can be fun and I play about 25/75% in favour of PvE.
Both PvE and PvP players have exactly the same 'rights' as it were, they both bought the game and pay a sub, or whatever. So this mentality where one side is more 'right' on this issue than the other is fallacious.
I think this particular issue cannot be easily solved because the game architecture presents the problem. If you look at what other games do, they have a stat that will be highly favoured in PvP sets at the expense of a PvE stat, and vice versa. This drives the adoption of specific sets for each playstyle, otherwise the player is severely penalised either way. ESO tried to adopt a one size fits all approach (play your way) and this causes contention.
I personally find the proc sets a bit gimmicky, even as a primarily PvE player, but I can see why people like them, and they are entitled to like them and keep them. The best solution I have therefore read, in pages and pages of mainly dreck spread across two identical threads, is some chap who suggested that when the game detects a player is in the PvP zone it disables the 5th set bonus, which is the proc. This is as near as we're going to get to the 'special stat' other games use, without an architectural overhaul, which let's face it won't happen, ZOS can hardly fix bugs from week to week.Edited by raglau on October 17, 2016 10:41PM0 -
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✭stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »Why oh why oh why???
Every time there is something that makes PvE builds fun and a bit silly that make me laugh, do PvPers shout "cancer-build" nerf it now?
Can you just please stop it and let the majority of the people who play this game have some fun?
I don't care for your "oh you have no skill" bs...when I see something pop up from the ground or a giant hand close around some NPCs it makes me laugh...i play this game because it is just that...a game...it is meant to be fun and relaxing...it is not meant to be work
sit back, relax, play the game and let it bring a smile to your face
they wont nerf anything, they did this intentionally to make the whiners cry. esp the DK and temps that think they are safe in their shell after 5 Sprig/5 viper/1molag/1 velidreth (dual sharp maces) gets ahold of them ;]
Well at least someone likes the "kill with no skill" meta
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✭stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »Why oh why oh why???
Every time there is something that makes PvE builds fun and a bit silly that make me laugh, do PvPers shout "cancer-build" nerf it now?
Can you just please stop it and let the majority of the people who play this game have some fun?
I don't care for your "oh you have no skill" bs...when I see something pop up from the ground or a giant hand close around some NPCs it makes me laugh...i play this game because it is just that...a game...it is meant to be fun and relaxing...it is not meant to be work
sit back, relax, play the game and let it bring a smile to your face
Your intelligence needs a buff.
ouch...when all else fails you, you decide to personally insult me
top 2% of worlds intelligent people here...at least that's what is says on my MENSA card
I qualified for MENSA too but didn't need a card to validate my self worth so I didn't join.
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✭itscompton wrote: »stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »Why oh why oh why???
Every time there is something that makes PvE builds fun and a bit silly that make me laugh, do PvPers shout "cancer-build" nerf it now?
Can you just please stop it and let the majority of the people who play this game have some fun?
I don't care for your "oh you have no skill" bs...when I see something pop up from the ground or a giant hand close around some NPCs it makes me laugh...i play this game because it is just that...a game...it is meant to be fun and relaxing...it is not meant to be work
sit back, relax, play the game and let it bring a smile to your face
Your intelligence needs a buff.
ouch...when all else fails you, you decide to personally insult me
top 2% of worlds intelligent people here...at least that's what is says on my MENSA card
I qualified for MENSA too but didn't need a card to validate my self worth so I didn't join.
you get you "self worth" by going pew pew pew at other people in a game and then moaning if they beat you1 -
GhostlyEnigmaSoul ShrivenYou know this is why I feel dev's need to ether make a pve only or pvp only game how ever now days games like Final Fantasy 11 well never be made as every one thinks all MMO's "need pvp to work" meh anyway out of all the games I have played only ONE has did the pve/pvp combo and have it work that being Guild Wars. Have no idea why they didn't use the same system with Guild Wars 2 *face palms* anyway in GW you litterly had a copy of your cher that was used only for pvp fights its skills and gear all was set so any effects on them for pve ONLY effected pve and the same for any changes for pvp ONLY effected pvp thus they could balance out both sides with out the changed effecting both. Eh what do I know I just play the game to have fun see what next in the storys they are telling and see what all I can get away with on my own.1
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Solus✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »What is this new hate against proc sets? Will you demand anything that tip the ballance remotely in someones favor, something required for PVP to even function be removed from the game?
PVP players will not be happy until there is one single class, one single armour and weapon set, and one bar with a single pre-ordained set of abilities. They will probably demand that the game has GCD so that no one can get an advantage by being able to spam Caltrops and Vigor a femtosecond quicker than someone else. They will then proudly proclaim that the game has balance, conveniently forgetting that the numbers in each zerg have far more effect on balance than their precious sets.
You do realize that this is exactly what you are promoting, right? Only few viable choices due to broken and poorly tested armor sets / skills. They are used because they are the best. That is exactly what creates "only one playstyle / armor / weapon set". What we want is more variety with reasonable balance. The exact opposite of what you try to strawman. But of course understanding that would require you to actually listen and care about anyone other than you.
with so many choices there will only be a select amount that will be the best. You cant make all of them the best, that being said it really comes down to what you are running, your play style, ect. you cant just slap on all legendary two 5 set, two monster set and call it good. You have to find out what skills work with how you play. There's alot more to it than just set bonuses.The-Pumpkin-King // Stamblade
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Solus✭✭✭✭itscompton wrote: »stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »Why oh why oh why???
Every time there is something that makes PvE builds fun and a bit silly that make me laugh, do PvPers shout "cancer-build" nerf it now?
Can you just please stop it and let the majority of the people who play this game have some fun?
I don't care for your "oh you have no skill" bs...when I see something pop up from the ground or a giant hand close around some NPCs it makes me laugh...i play this game because it is just that...a game...it is meant to be fun and relaxing...it is not meant to be work
sit back, relax, play the game and let it bring a smile to your face
they wont nerf anything, they did this intentionally to make the whiners cry. esp the DK and temps that think they are safe in their shell after 5 Sprig/5 viper/1molag/1 velidreth (dual sharp maces) gets ahold of them ;]
Well at least someone likes the "kill with no skill" meta
And do you know why it's meta? because it works. And those of you whining about it are having a hard time countering it, therefore you come to the forums and cry nerf.The-Pumpkin-King // Stamblade
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Very convincing coming from the guy that uses those sets and desperately wants to keep them the way they are.
So what if I do? If you cant do 18.5k to my stamblade before i destroy you then its on you. Im using what tools i have at my disposal, if my build is OP then find one to counter it. Trust me, i could make it alot worse than running what im running. You guys make it seem like my build is the only build in the history of builds that has kick to it. And pretend that there arent other builds that could defeat me easily. Its easy to cry about it, its hard to actually find your own in game response to my build, which is why people do the former, not the latter.The-Pumpkin-King // Stamblade
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✭How PVP vs PVE works...
Anything that YOU CAN KILL its just fine and if you disagree, ohh just cry and L2P you noob, Anything THAT KILLS YOU its OP!! unfair!! and NERF!!!!NERF!!!! NERF!!!
While PVE are .. what just happen to my character?
"By many i am seen as hero...as a savior of the Tamriel i will not stop until every Daedra every evil there is in Tamriel is vanquish by my hands..
However i do this for my own purpose to gain trust of mortals to worship me and to eliminate my competition i will not bend my knee to lead your army to serve you Molag Bal , i will simply just take it from you.."--- Forsaken Sin( Magica Sorc)Arise From Darkness Forsaken SIn
"You have been a loyal High Elf Magica Sorc
Conjure of Darkness, Master of Magic
Killer of Molag Bal and Savior of Ebonheart Pact
Until Dark Brotherhood killed you...
but now..NOW its time to Arise From Darkness once again..."0 -
zZzleepyhead✭✭✭God forbid we have balance. [SNIP]
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RinaldoGandolphi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Yes the new armor sets proc, but guess what they are fun! I'm ok with a proc set killing me the game is geared casual anyways. Stop trying to make game that is clearly not built or balanced to be competitive in pvp competitive. It's meant to be an AvAvA objective based game not a stinking contest of skill. These nerfs will just gut more fun out of a game that was already bland
So what you're saying is: Your interpretation of fun > anyone elses and those that like functional games
You admit they're broken yet you're perfectly fine with dismissing any sort of logic because you don't care about it / you're the one abusing it. Again, "fun" doesn't hold up as argumentation. Basically you said nothing at all with all those lines. How do you even translate "easy" to "fun"? We're not taking them away, we want proper balancing. If fun means to cheat then there are singleplayer games for that. Seriously.
Your assuming "an awful alot"
Fact is:
1. I haven't stepped foot in Cyrodiil since One Tam came out because magicka builds of all sorts except Templar tanks specs are absolute rubbish. Why would i want to play my Magic Sorc in a meta where im inhenrently disadvantaged to the point of playing with 1 hand tied behind my back compared to our stamina Overlords?
2. Magicka Proc sets, Like Valkyn Skoria, Illambris, etc have very small percentage chances(8%, 10%, etc and cooldowns associated with them) why do they need to be nerfed? Magicka doesn't have any 50% chances like Stam has with Tremorscale or 20% chances like Velidreth or even 100% chances to proc when you use a poison(Hello Widowmaker) The only unbalanced proc sets in the game are all stamina based...all the magicka based ones have low % and have narrow requirements to work. Blanket nerfing all the proc sets just because 2-3 stam sets are grossly OP is like killing a Fly with a bomb.
3. I said an awful lot with those lines....the nerfs this game has endured to classes and sets the last two years have been nothing short of atrocious and sucking the fun right out of the game. Templar's used to have this really cool skill called Blind Flashes and combined with being a Vampire if gave you "a chance" of killing the folks trying to Zerg you. Streak not having an AOE cap and building ultimate with dynamic ult regen allowed an outnumbered Sorc to spam Negates against the zerglings trying to kill him 10v1. I still had to be more skilled to win in those cases and even with that it was 50/50 but you already had a chance. Nerfing anything just favors Zergs. Magic Det is the best example it's utterly useless now because it won't do enough damage you have to hit like 10 people with it before it's even remotely useful then the AOE cap halves it after 6 targets making it completely useless. Just keep nerfing the game will soon be 100% full on Zerg. The only stray will be potato on 1 guy with 20.
Point is there had to be some balance here only 3 of these sets are too good and adjusting them is fine but blanket nerfing all of them is throwing the baby out with the bath water, might as well swat that fly with a sledgehammerRinaldo Gandolphi-Breton Sorcerer Daggerfall Covenant
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Sorcerer's - The ONLY class in the game that is punished for using its class defining skill (Bolt Escape)
"Here in his shrine, that they have forgotten. Here do we toil, that we might remember. By night we reclaim, what by day was stolen. Far from ourselves, he grows ever near to us. Our eyes once were blinded, now through him do we see. Our hands once were idle, now through them does he speak. And when the world shall listen, and when the world shall see, and when the world remembers, that world will cease to be. - Miraak2 -
ForsakenSin✭✭✭✭✭
✭Maybe the answer is this...
In PVP you can only have armor that you can craft ???"By many i am seen as hero...as a savior of the Tamriel i will not stop until every Daedra every evil there is in Tamriel is vanquish by my hands..
However i do this for my own purpose to gain trust of mortals to worship me and to eliminate my competition i will not bend my knee to lead your army to serve you Molag Bal , i will simply just take it from you.."--- Forsaken Sin( Magica Sorc)Arise From Darkness Forsaken SIn
"You have been a loyal High Elf Magica Sorc
Conjure of Darkness, Master of Magic
Killer of Molag Bal and Savior of Ebonheart Pact
Until Dark Brotherhood killed you...
but now..NOW its time to Arise From Darkness once again..."0 -
Drdeath20✭✭✭✭✭
✭Do pve players need proc sets to defeat content? No.
Most dungeons are too easy. Players can solo them.
They don't have to get rid of these sets but they need to make them actually be triggered by more than just chanceRinaldoGandolphi wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Yes the new armor sets proc, but guess what they are fun! I'm ok with a proc set killing me the game is geared casual anyways. Stop trying to make game that is clearly not built or balanced to be competitive in pvp competitive. It's meant to be an AvAvA objective based game not a stinking contest of skill. These nerfs will just gut more fun out of a game that was already bland
So what you're saying is: Your interpretation of fun > anyone elses and those that like functional games
You admit they're broken yet you're perfectly fine with dismissing any sort of logic because you don't care about it / you're the one abusing it. Again, "fun" doesn't hold up as argumentation. Basically you said nothing at all with all those lines. How do you even translate "easy" to "fun"? We're not taking them away, we want proper balancing. If fun means to cheat then there are singleplayer games for that. Seriously.
Your assuming "an awful alot"
Fact is:
1. I haven't stepped foot in Cyrodiil since One Tam came out because magicka builds of all sorts except Templar tanks specs are absolute rubbish. Why would i want to play my Magic Sorc in a meta where im inhenrently disadvantaged to the point of playing with 1 hand tied behind my back compared to our stamina Overlords?
2. Magicka Proc sets, Like Valkyn Skoria, Illambris, etc have very small percentage chances(8%, 10%, etc and cooldowns associated with them) why do they need to be nerfed? Magicka doesn't have any 50% chances like Stam has with Tremorscale or 20% chances like Velidreth or even 100% chances to proc when you use a poison(Hello Widowmaker) The only unbalanced proc sets in the game are all stamina based...all the magicka based ones have low % and have narrow requirements to work. Blanket nerfing all the proc sets just because 2-3 stam sets are grossly OP is like killing a Fly with a bomb.
3. I said an awful lot with those lines....the nerfs this game has endured to classes and sets the last two years have been nothing short of atrocious and sucking the fun right out of the game. Templar's used to have this really cool skill called Blind Flashes and combined with being a Vampire if gave you "a chance" of killing the folks trying to Zerg you. Streak not having an AOE cap and building ultimate with dynamic ult regen allowed an outnumbered Sorc to spam Negates against the zerglings trying to kill him 10v1. I still had to be more skilled to win in those cases and even with that it was 50/50 but you already had a chance. Nerfing anything just favors Zergs. Magic Det is the best example it's utterly useless now because it won't do enough damage you have to hit like 10 people with it before it's even remotely useful then the AOE cap halves it after 6 targets making it completely useless. Just keep nerfing the game will soon be 100% full on Zerg. The only stray will be potato on 1 guy with 20.
Point is there had to be some balance here only 3 of these sets are too good and adjusting them is fine but blanket nerfing all of them is throwing the baby out with the bath water, might as well swat that fly with a sledgehammer
But individual class skills getting nerfed compared to sets that everyone can use are 2 different topics. When u nerf a class skill it effects only 1 class and thus puts them at a disadvantage. When u nerf a set it is a nerf to everyone and therefore a nerf to no one.0