ZOS' decision to make a skill's effectiveness scale off of BOTH spell/weapon power AND max magicka/stamina is what hurts Pelinal's builds.

You can get some great weapon and spell damage numbers by using Pelinal's, but when you start splitting resources by dividing your attributes among magicka and stamina it hurts your damage, healing, and shielding. It's bad enough to the point that your hybrid build will be much weaker than others who run "pure" max stat builds, and you'll probably get frustrated.

I've seen some posts on the forums, by disappointed players, who tried to make Pelinal's work for hybrids, but the resource split deficiencies are just too much to overcome.

It's a shame, really, because you're right about stamina sorcerers. They are bland to use. My biggest gripe is that a stamina sorcerer can't use summon pets. They die too quickly because they require a magicka sorcerer to spam shields to keep them alive. It's unfortunate that pairing my favorite weapon (bow) with my favorite skills (summons) can't work for end-game content like VMA, or even champion point PVP.

Ah, I suppose what I mean by hybrid is less of splitting stats and more of using miss-matched weapons/armor and abilities. Now I do really love the change to Bound Armor though. It finally adds a little darkness to the stamina sorc... it just doesn't feel like it's quite enough. Especially with the lack of pets.

I do still want to go full-Magicka, just... using dual-wielding and trying to get the most out of Spell Power. I have managed to get over 4000 when fully buffed, at the cost of a few thousand max magicka and the benefits of light armor. That cost seems to be pretty significant in practice though.

Because of the focus on medium armor for extra weapon/spell power, I would of course lose out on penetration. This is a massive DPS loss, but I can make up for it with weapon traits next time around. But this makes me wonder if I could capitalize on the beefier resistances.

Have to agree that stam sort is truly dull to play, just another sword swinger like half my stable of alts, I use magic sorc simply because it's fun. I know it's gets out performend by this and that but it strolls through most normal dungeons and I'm done with farming vet ones for gear that looks rubbish even if it is better than my crafted stuff.

I think im just loosing interest in stamina, even my beloved stam dk is in danger of going magic although my ideal would be a hybrid, the only reason I don't is having spent enough gold and mats to fund an empire I've come to the conclusion that what you basically get is a bit more utility in exchange for your damage and toughness falling like an anvil down a mine shaft. Compensate for this effect with heavy armour an what you get is a sub par tank that gets one shotted half the time, if it's bad enough that a ham fisted oaf like me notice the difference then it is a very serious drop.

The frustrating thing is rich lambert said once at a German gaining convention I think, a month or two back, that hybrids were viable but the elusive little sprite refuses to elaborate on it. Pelinal is the best bet but it would need an almighty kick up the backside to make it worth using. However there is a ray of hope, they mentioned on more than one occasion that the next patch will be heavy on the rebalancing and that they wanted to give players offensive power that revolved around health, not just stam or magic. Get rubbing your rosaries folks, they might just give us a way to build a hybrid after all

I tried plenty of Pelinal builds... they were all ineffective.

Your attributes will mess you up damage wise. You won't hit hard enough (in PvP) anyway unless you have almost all your attributes into Stam or Magik, and then the other suffers.
- you'll end up with only one or two crossover skills on your bar, and then be like "why bother?"

Acsvf wrote: »

Mivryna wrote: »

Ah, I suppose what I mean by hybrid is less of splitting stats and more of using miss-matched weapons/armor and abilities. Now I do really love the change to Bound Armor though. It finally adds a little darkness to the stamina sorc... it just doesn't feel like it's quite enough. Especially with the lack of pets.

I do still want to go full-Magicka, just... using dual-wielding and trying to get the most out of Spell Power. I have managed to get over 4000 when fully buffed, at the cost of a few thousand max magicka and the benefits of light armor. That cost seems to be pretty significant in practice though.

Because of the focus on medium armor for extra weapon/spell power, I would of course lose out on penetration. This is a massive DPS loss, but I can make up for it with weapon traits next time around. But this makes me wonder if I could capitalize on the beefier resistances.

Don't use pelinal's. Sorcerer with front bar dual wield is pretty meh, but it's not that bad.

Maybe I should just go that route then. What might a good skill combination be to make up for the lack of force shock?

Sry, no idea on sorc....on templar tho. Snipe, snipe, jesus beam

Its very possible to build a hybrid and you still get good damage. Its by no means optimal or will it every be as good as the top cheese builds but can still be very effective.

I have a stam focused pelinals sorc and templar and the sorc is very strong. Im still feeling out the templar. Just grinded it out over the weekend and took it right into cyrodiil. Hit assault 4 in a few hours.

I use 5 medium pelinals, 3 arcane agility 2 kena and 2 lekis and a random 2hander sharped maul to make up for the loss of penetration. Just need to get my nirnhoned maelstrom 2h maul.

I can get over 5k weapon damage with dual wield and kena proced. With out kena I have 13k dizzy swing and 12k C frags, 11k curse. 15k overload LA. All tool tips and do not take cyrodiil and players armors/CP into account.

It took alot of tweaking to get my skill bars right and how to utilize my bars efficiently to make use of both resources.

The templar was loads of fun. Dark flare timed with an impowered crit rush is a thing of beauty. 1-2 dizzying swings and then its radiant D time.

Marque wrote: »

https://youtu.be/L0ChCZeY0g4

This might be something you are interested in, though it'll require some tweaking if you want to dual wield. Its more about having fun than min maxing as far as hybrids go, though the creator of the build was still pretty effective with it. Trainee comes in jewelry and certain quest rewards don't have training on it (Hazak's Hauberk is a well fitted medium chest piece from Khenarthi's Roost).

i saw this- looked for it as i wanted to do something similar- but u see how much he struggles with sustain and has to rely on pots and LOS to stay in the fight, his burst is literally only 4 or 5 skills before he has to dip out again- i dont think its viable yet in al contexts until zos comes out with more sets that allow u to take from both pools. in my dreams i play with a destro + 2hand setup that pops mages wrath, destro ulti , hurricane then crit rush into my opponent for a wrecking bow, reverse slice weave. imagine how nasty that would be

The problem I found with my hybrid Templar, was that while I could complete regular questing content, it took significantly longer for the hybrid to complete battles than it did for my singular-focused characters. Because the game gives such a damage boost to max attribute, even with Pelinal's set, you just cannot gain enough damage to justify hybrid IMO... not when I could run a singular-focused character and do so much better. I love my StamSorc, I find it very versatile and fun to play, whereas I find MagSorcs to be incredibly boring thanks to reliance on staff... I'll take my bow and DW over staff any day for the pure fun of it. Which was the point of the hybrid, since Templar is such a balanced class offering both ranged and melee class abilities, but in the end I just found that all extra time spent to get through content made the hybrid not worth pursuing.

Ive played hybrids for sorc, DK and Templar. This is my advice to anyone building a hybrid for pvp:

1 decide if you are a stam build that uses magicka skills for extra utility and added burst or a magicka build looking for something other than a staff build.

2 once you have determined this place your stamina and magicka accordinly. Do not split your stats. You will will already have split CP so dont split you mag/stam pools.

3. Choose dark elf and get your undaunted up ASAP. You will want to run 5 1 1 gear weights to maximize your pools. Other races will work just not as good. If you are going Hybrid DK only pick Dark Elf.

4. Infused on head, chest and legs, impen on the rest. All tri stat glyphs. Yes they are expensive but its the only way to get the most.

5 unless you are a sorc or DK you will need to run two hander for magor brutality. Building through medium armor and weapon damage is the best way to maximize you damage.

6. Cp distribution. Blue: 72 into mighty 72 into elemental defender. This will get you to 19.9% damage increase for both stat pools. Focus the rest into CP that favor your primary resource.

Green tree focus on cost reduction of mag and stam. A hybrid wont have good recovery so you have to balance your pools by picking from both. Cost reduction will help with this. Place the rest at your discretion.

Red tree is basic. No need to go over it.

7 skill allotment is key, being able to heal from both pools is a bonus to hybrids. So is being able to damage from both as well. Place damage/heal types of both kinds on your bars incase you run out of one resource you can attack or heal with another while the other recharges.

Also skill synergy is important. On my stam sorc I will cast curse to proc a Frag and hit crit rush the same time I hit the frag. Wrecking blow can be timed with a curse explosion. Templars can use a dark flare timed with a crit rush to empower the rush and provide burst. Dks can runs sword and shield and reverb into flame lash/power lash. Whip can also be amimation canceled with light attack bash with sword and board.

Good luck with your hybrids.

Mivryna wrote: »

Hey, so I'm just now coming back to the game after several months. I've been on here and there, but not enough to really know what the modern builds are like, so I hope someone might be able to point me in the right direction with stuff.

So I really like the "Dark Ranger" type of character, and Sorcerer in particular is what I like for it. I prefer using dual wielding and possibly bows, but stamina Sorcs feel so bland to use. I need more darkness, and a diverse skillset! I love using pets, being able to heal if necessary, and all the beautiful effects that come along.

I really prefer Magicka builds, just... not with a staff. I would love to use a dual-wielding Sorc build, but without a proper replacement for Force Shock, it seems a bit hopeless. However, with a Pelinal's set I could boost my Spell Damage really high to compensate.

I'm a Dunmer Vampire with a 5/5 set of medium Pelinal's Aptitude and 3/3 Arcane Agility jewelry. My Magicka is quite a bit lower than my pure Magicka build's, but once my glyphs are topped off it should be a bit better. My regen is kind of poor, but I'm usually able to manage it well enough to keep up, especially as powerful as Dark Exchange is.

I suppose my question is, has anyone found any good hybrid or tank builds for Sorcerers using Pelinal's, or is the lack of regen and Force Shock and other effects just too bad to bother with, even these days?

Just play a stamsorc, if you like the ranger so bad all the more reason to play a stamsorc, if you let the build develop before you judge there is allot of variety. And different ways to build and play it, you may not be using a set from class skills but there are plenty of sets to summon a pet, also critical surge heals you when you attack, you can also easily get vigor.