Are you ok with Crown Store ONLY Motifs like the Grim Harlequin?

Caligamy_ESO · October 2016

No.

annnd coming up next Frost Stahlrim motif to a crown store ONLY near you.

Ever notice there's no achievement for it either? Well that's why.

Cinbri · October 2016

Yes.

I using someone dedicated crafters for crafting gear anyway.

olsborg · October 2016

Yes.

Im fine with it, dont rly care tho cause I cant use the motif anyway since all the sets I want to wear this patch are dropped ones and they are locked to the draugr style. fml

pema · October 2016

Yes.

it's borderline. But they can do this kind of stuff.
Not to happy about it, but it doesnt hurt the game.

mlstevens42_ESO · October 2016

No.

I object to crown store only motifs. Before one tamriel dropped I had ALL motifs on two toons. I am working towards getting the new draugr yokudan and celestial motifs ....whether this is by running the content or by using in game gold to get them.

Crown only is making gold based on items that are otherwise unobtainable in game. I WILL NOT support crown only items that can be used to make gold in game. It would be the same in my eyes as offering crown only weapons and armor. The gain for weapons and armor might be to kill things but it is also gold. This is taking what should be in game play things outside the sphere of the game. Giving advantage to those willing to purchase things outside of game to make gold in game. This makes the idea very poor form as the idea is to get people to PLAY....not just buy. If all there is to it is buy crown stuff there is no challenge and no reason to play.

As a crafter motifs are part of how one makes gold. You have just introduced a style that I can not create without a real world cash purchase..and even if I bought the motif (which I refuse to do) I would not be able to make with a natural in game mechanic I would have to purchase mimic stones in order to make which also have to be bought from crown store.

The whole idea is wrong....just wrong. For months my only reason to play was to get my 400k exp and earn gold for motifs I could not get by doing the content myself....was mostly a solo person see and so dro mathra for example would have had hard time getting as it was a trial only drop. I could however pay someone with gold for the item in question. This crown only stuff does not even allow for this sort of an option.

Donum-Dei · October 2016

No.

Since it is a cosmetic item as I found out recently. Then whatever really, it doesn't affect gameplay.

As long as they do not do this to motifs. I'm okay by it. But if it does turn to be a craftable armor wearable piece motif down the road. It does have to be farmable and accessible for the ones who can't pay just with a click of a boton

ShaylonShayton · October 2016

Yes.

Is it just me, or does it seem like alot of the people who voted NO, still bought it or really want it?

Prof_Bawbag · October 2016

The real travesty are the motifs selling for 5000cr, especially the glass motif. That's gouging. Those single 5000cr alliance motifs should include all 3 for that price. It's the same with the glass and dwemer motifs. They should be reduced. Glass motifs aren't even worth collecting in game even if you're a new comer and have yet to acquire it. 10k for a resin and after the first 10 fragments have been bound, that 10k resin price is a joke considering duplicates come into play. People can't even shift glass motifs for 10k, so you're throwing your gold into a black hole.

Solariken · October 2016

Yes.

Yes as long as it's always available - no more of this artificial rarity they like to burn us with.

JKorr · October 2016

Don`t know.

mlstevens42_ESO wrote: »

I object to crown store only motifs. Before one tamriel dropped I had ALL motifs on two toons. I am working towards getting the new draugr yokudan and celestial motifs ....whether this is by running the content or by using in game gold to get them.

Crown only is making gold based on items that are otherwise unobtainable in game. I WILL NOT support crown only items that can be used to make gold in game. It would be the same in my eyes as offering crown only weapons and armor. The gain for weapons and armor might be to kill things but it is also gold. This is taking what should be in game play things outside the sphere of the game. Giving advantage to those willing to purchase things outside of game to make gold in game. This makes the idea very poor form as the idea is to get people to PLAY....not just buy. If all there is to it is buy crown stuff there is no challenge and no reason to play.

As a crafter motifs are part of how one makes gold. You have just introduced a style that I can not create without a real world cash purchase..and even if I bought the motif (which I refuse to do) I would not be able to make with a natural in game mechanic I would have to purchase mimic stones in order to make which also have to be bought from crown store.

The whole idea is wrong....just wrong. For months my only reason to play was to get my 400k exp and earn gold for motifs I could not get by doing the content myself....was mostly a solo person see and so dro mathra for example would have had hard time getting as it was a trial only drop. I could however pay someone with gold for the item in question. This crown only stuff does not even allow for this sort of an option.

I guess I'll never understand the idea of making gold off crafting for other players. Intentionally charging others, that is. If someone wants to give a tip after I make them gear, I won't stop them. But I don't ask for gold. Depending on their level, I might not ask for mats.

I used my own in-game gold to buy motifs that I'd never get otherwise; I can do xivkyn, Thieves, Pact, Dominion, and Covenant, for instance. I don't charge to do it.

I"m playing a game. I'm playing to enjoy myself and have fun with friends and acquaintances. If the only reason I was playing was to make gold, to buy more motifs that would let me make more gold to repeat that over and over, that would be a job, and someone would need to be paying me RL money to do it.

alexkdd99 · October 2016

Yes.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

This is a awesome idea, here is why!

Step 1 buy motif
Step 2 charge in game gold for the items you make

or

Step 1 buy motif
Step 2 make items in that style with mimic stones also bought for real money
Step 3 deco those and sell style stone

or

Aka Spend real money -> convert to in game money
Aka P2W
Aka ANOTHER lie from Zos who said all motif will be obtainable in game
Aka they already lied saying the motifs in game will be obtainable in a painless manner and not be designed to enter the game in a expensive/slow to obtain way to drive crown store sales (Look at the prices of the ones that are easier to get in store vs the ones that had little to no or a late show in the store)

This is a huge step towards p2w and I was only just telling my friend a few days ago how happy I was with them not going p2w... that I was surprised that the worse was just expensive in game motifs which caused a huge pain to get in game to draw in sales irl... but this is unbelievable.

I am just waiting to have it confirmed.. Confirm you are making it only crown store obtainable and never in game so I can just quit..

ALSO to the people stupidly thinking this is ok....

What do you think they are doing? They are obviously preparing to make a future move towards all new motifs being mimic stone reliable... you think they will stop here? All the new sets or MOST of them will have a small supply of style stones on release and after a while they will all be gone or worst SOOOOO much in game due to the rare amounts of them and EVERYONE will HAVE to buy crowns to get the styles they want in the future..

So this is a no brainer... this is a p2w move and a step towards crafting being PAY to make... Which I might remind people they also said would never happy...

I love the elder scrolls but if this is confirmed I AM OUT.

EDIT: Oh also this is coming from someone who makes $1500 a week and could easily buy this BUT WONT.. and someone who in game has close to 10m gold and can obtain hundreds of these style stones easily and will NOT be effected by this if for some reason I chose to stay... this is not about me since I would be fine this is about the people who join the game late or those who cant prepare and shouldnt HAVE to prepare to be able to craft in the future...

ZOS has lied again and worse is moving to a obvious p2w

Stop crying, saying other people stupidly think this is OK? Don't say someone's thinking is stupid just because they have a different opinion. I could say you are stupidly crying over cosmetics.

If you don't want it don't buy it. This is not pay 2 win. Go play a real pay 2 win game then come play this, eso is so far from p2w, not even close, much less on a slippery slope.
IT IS JUST COSMETIC!

Doctordarkspawn · October 2016

No.

I was very excited for frostcaster.

I am no longer excited for frostcaster.

Arora · October 2016

Yes.

I dont really care. However. I will never purchase them myself, since it requires mimic stones to use

KramUzibra · October 2016

Yes.

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Yes I subscribe month to month.
Yes I have the crowns for it.

Not okay with it simply because this is the death of Master Crafters having all styles available to them through hard in-game effort. Chances are this wont be the last we see of things just like this. Lock more and more behind pay walls and bye Felicia.

I'll still be one of those master crafter with all traits and all motifs sick I don't mind at all paying real cash for virtual items. I honestly don't care if it was 10k crowns I would still buy it.

KramUzibra · October 2016

Yes.

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

annnd coming up next Frost Stahlrim motif to a crown store ONLY near you.

Ever notice there's no achievement for it either? Well that's why.

Can't wait.

Deceptive_Yoshi · October 2016

No.

I don't 100% mind it but I would appreciate it if it would let you have the ability to farm the style in the world for free and not have to eventually buy more mimic stones.

Caligamy_ESO · October 2016

No.

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

I was very excited for frostcaster.

I am no longer excited for frostcaster.

Pretty much this ^

I am just filled with disdain for what used to be my most enjoyable part of the game when I look at my styles list now. People keep saying "It's just a cosmetic, so I'm fine with it" but it's not.. it's a part of the crafting system, this might be a difficult concept for some to comprehend. I can only assume they've never spent months trying to grind out every individual page in a style before moving onto the next. ie; akaviri, glass, dro m'athra..

And now we have not one but two styles that have to be paid for to be complete as a crafter. Justify it however you like in your head but this is nothing more than ZOS taking away a portion of what was a large percentage of peoples enjoyment in the crafting system, and the hunting/grinding to complete it.

Kram8ion · October 2016

Yes.

Ofc less grinding

JKorr · October 2016

Don`t know.

Slurg wrote: »

How many of these people who are saying its a great deal because of the mimic stones actually bought mimic stones regularly before this exclusive motif came with them? Talk about frogs in a pot! All this great deal does is insure you will always have to buy mimic stones to craft this style and all other exclusive styles in the future that are released like this.

The whole history of this game, there has been a way to get every crafting motif and the style mats in game. Only more recently were they introduced as an option for purchase. I have no problem with that, options are great. But now there are new motifs going straight to the store and not available in game at all. If this trend continues, after a while, the crown store will become an integral part of your in game experience if you are one of the people who cares about your character's appearance or being able to call yourself a master crafter who can craft every style. If you don't care about that stuff I'm very happy for you. I know you don't care, you don't have to keep saying it.

But but but, say the shills, stop asking for things for freeee! The only people getting anything for free in this game are the people who had someone buy the game on their behalf and who didn't spend another dime. That's not the vast majority of us. Now in another year or so when this game goes F2P (my estimate), you'll have a good argument for this being necessary to support the game. We're not there yet though.

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I've bought mimic stones, actually.

I don't pvp. I don't go to IC usually either. The style mats you get with tel var or the other bits and pieces you can buy stuff with I'll never see. So if I want to make a set of Pact gear, I need to use mimic stones, if I don't want to play just to get gold to buy the scutes. I seriously doubt I'd ever use them to craft for other people. [I have 12 characters, seven pieces of armor, plus weapons/shield....yeah, you need more than 2 or three to make sets of gear.]

mlstevens42_ESO · October 2016

No.

thing is you can get the items for the alliances gear crafting in game it might be inconvenient it might be difficult but they are still available. Do not normally pvp but have ic and can go to ic if I need stuff for the alliance sets or xikvyn and such. I can also go to a guild store kiosk and buy them from someone else who spends more time in said area.

I get that mimic stones in and of themselves are not such a bad thing if no time or just plain do not have gold in game to get some style mats I can use the mimics no biggie but I still have option to do it in game.

This crown only style REQUIRES mimics because there is no style mats available in game unless you are deconstructing that style of gear. So if I had the style I would have had to buy the mimic stones.

Just remember your style of play may not be the same as every one else...There are many that being a crafter is part of why they play it would be the same as having crown only weapons or armor. Sure it is an cosmetic application but one has to LEARN the style as a crafter in order to access it. If you have no armor or weapon crafting skills the motif would do nothing it is not like getting the wedding dress outfit. People do not have to put skill points into a certain thing to be able to wear the outfits. People have to put quite a few skill points and quite a bit of time to be a nine trait crafter. So it is understandable that they would be a little put out by making them BUY a crown exclusive motif as well as style mats to even make the stuff.

Elsonso · October 2016

No.

mlstevens42_ESO wrote: »

Just remember your style of play may not be the same as every one else...

That's part of the problem. Some of the ways that people have been playing the game for the last year or so are now on the fringe of what ZOS wants people to be doing.

Hempyre · October 2016

Yes.

Yep, sure the *** am.

Don't care to hear the whining of the pay to win crowd.

Don't buy it if you don't want to. Zeni is doing good by everyone in giving free to play/sub/crown purchases. Something for everyone.

Support the game you play, devs gotta eat too.

laurajf · October 2016

Yes.

I snatched this motif up immediately after previewing because it was the first one I've seen in a long time that I actually like (except the goofy face shoulders) and it was a fair price. I don't run dungeons/whatever to collect a lot of motifs and don't want to spend insane amounts of gold, so this was something I wanted and could easily get.

My alt is already decked out in a full set (staff is cool as all heck) and I can finally take a break from wearing costumes to cover up ugly armor.

I only craft armor for myself/my alts, so no money-making for me. Just something that makes me happy.

Volrion · October 2016

Yes.

Snit wrote: »

It's a purely cosmetic item. It has no implications on game balance. In a game without a subscription fee, that is exactly the sort of item most appropriate for the cash shop.

In fact, let's hope that ZOS is successful with this, that they make plenty of money on awesome-looking cosmetics. We want them to make money. We don't want them to turn into another Archeage/ Neverwinter pay-to-win game, where the cash shop is the clear path to making your character powerful.

ZOS has a very reasonable B2P model. Even as a subscriber, I am happy about that, as it preserves the integrity of the gameplay.

/thread

Elsonso · October 2016

No.

Hempyre wrote: »

Support the game you play, devs gotta eat too.

Funny how you never hear "support the people who play your game"

Zeras_Of_Mournhold · October 2016

No.

As I've seen in others comments on this i'll say it here too, sure its essentially discounted mimic stones, but the fact still stands that its 2200 crowns to spend just to be able to craft a set, which has never been a thing before. If this still was listed on the store with the same items and the same price, but you could get it from a plunder skull (even with lets say a super high chance equivalent to dropping the masks) people would probably never buy it. Why? Because let's face it, few people if any buy mimic stones and if they did, they probably wouldn't buy nearly 20 dollars worth of them.

But if it was this way, people wouldn't complain, because then people would have the option, and that's the main thing here. You don't have the option to grind them or not. You don't have the choice to grind the style material or buy mimic stones. Grinding for these chapters and books is one of the main aspects of people who try to collect all the motifs. We spend days collecting the chapters and grinding our way to victory and sure that's not fun for some or many, and its just tedious without the feeling of satisfaction for them, then that's okay, because you could have the OPTION to buy them with crowns OR gold. but we don't get that option. not this time.

And onto the next issue, one of the most odd things about this is I wonder why they didn't just make it a 3-costume bundle. I bet if that was the case there would be no argument period. Because of the fact that its not, you have a costume that you have to craft, and can only craft a set amount of times until your either forced to sift through countless markets to find someone selling the style material for likely high prices, Or buckle down and spend real money to get more mimic stones. This whole set up just feels like a way to squeeze more money out of people with mimic stone sales and specifically people who collect all the motifs.

They know people collect motifs, a lot of people do, it's sort of one third of the major collectibles from the witches festival (further emphasizing why isn't the hallojack style Crown Store only when the Harlequin is, making me feel like there are two people at zenimax fighting over different ideas). No matter how difficult they were, you could always collect motifs in the past. This is just a paywall to all the completionists or enthusiasts of collecting all the sets. I am one of those people, and it drives me to want to look past it and say, "Yea, but looking at it from a certain point of view, at least it's just discounted mimic stones," but no matter how sugarcoated it is, its 20 bucks for a motif, one that doesn't even look that amazing when you compare it to all the other motifs that you can get for FREE. Again, if it was a costume, there would be no issues, but because it's a motif, now if you don't have it, you technically don't have all the motifs do you, which is probably what might force my hand into buying this, but I'll try to hold back, for i'd rather just pay the absorbent amount of gold that people will sell the motif for than pay a dlc or mount's worth of crowns.

I had some positives to give here, like how the package was priced and how they gave an abundant amount of mimic stones, but the more i typed the more i realized how countered these points became. The motif is a sign of a bad direction, and we as the consumers have to say no, otherwise, they know we will give in and buy these, and they will make more, and more. Hell, they probably are considering how it looks like frostcaster is going to be treated the same as this. It might be that these are just going to be only for the holidays, like how they sell exclusive stuff for the holidays. If that's the case and they don't extend it as a normal thing then i might be more okay with it then. But that's still on the borderline and we don't know if they will do these exclusive motifs just during holidays, but that's probably not the case and just wishful thinking. Just remember the golden rule that as a consumer, to them, you speak with your wallet.

tl;dr: There are positives but they get countered by the negatives, it forces you to buy mimic stones essentially and it's a bad sign of the future.

probablyafk · October 2016

Yes.

I was only upset it wasn't a costume. I'd prefer that than having to craft the stupid thing

I am a little worried about the gold-converter nature of it ... but I don't think it's going to impact things much. I don't see people paying much more for a rare motif on gear unless they have specific needs. So rare and unreliable. That's ok with me.

mlstevens42_ESO · October 2016

No.

If it had been just a costume I wouldn't have cared at all that it was in the crown store.

stimpy986b14_ESO · October 2016

Yes.

Snit wrote: »

It's a purely cosmetic item. It has no implications on game balance. In a game without a subscription fee, that is exactly the sort of item most appropriate for the cash shop.

In fact, let's hope that ZOS is successful with this, that they make plenty of money on awesome-looking cosmetics. We want them to make money. We don't want them to turn into another Archeage/ Neverwinter pay-to-win game, where the cash shop is the clear path to making your character powerful.

ZOS has a very reasonable B2P model. Even as a subscriber, I am happy about that, as it preserves the integrity of the gameplay.

^This essentially

boldfacedtype · October 2016

Yes.

Snit wrote: »

It's a purely cosmetic item. It has no implications on game balance. In a game without a subscription fee, that is exactly the sort of item most appropriate for the cash shop.

In fact, let's hope that ZOS is successful with this, that they make plenty of money on awesome-looking cosmetics. We want them to make money. We don't want them to turn into another Archeage/ Neverwinter pay-to-win game, where the cash shop is the clear path to making your character powerful.

ZOS has a very reasonable B2P model. Even as a subscriber, I am happy about that, as it preserves the integrity of the gameplay.

Agree 100%. The game is free to play. Let them make their money on frivolities*.

(*Yes, for RP-ers, cosmetics do have a bearing on gameplay... after a fashion. Not the same as power balance.)