Are you ok with Crown Store ONLY Motifs like the Grim Harlequin?

Peekachu99 · October 2016

Yes.

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

My complaint with it has to do with the sense of achievement that cash shops steal away from MMO's. Ultimately they have a way of sucking the air (fun) out of the room over time, and this gets dangerously close to that. For a player who enjoyed earning things like motifs, I was already unhappy with having motifs on the store as an option to farming them. Their existence as a motif earned only on the store really rubs me wrong.

What's fun to you is tedious to other people, though. "Fun" is a very personal experience. I've been farming the Minotaur dailies on four toons for six months now, and still haven't gotten a chest drop. Only reason why I haven't bought that motif off the trader is because it will feel like even more of a waste if I do.

As you get older in life you also realize that all you have--of value--is time. Time to spend with your family, friends and the hobbies and activities you love. While I appreciate the sense of reward in MMORPGS, and while that's the reason why I've been locked to the genre for decades, I, personallly, feel that sense of triumph most when conquering a challenging trial, fending off a Zerg with one of my tanks in PVP, or measurably epic feats. Finding double Kutas in an node, even, if you want a less action-based example. (Farming inherently comes with an expectation of time=reward, and unless you're truly cursed and unlucky, you always get something useful for your effort--unlike RNG motif drops).

Doing brain dead PVE grinds for RNG slot machine rewards is not respectful, or fun, to me. It's a hindrance when I could be doing more active or rewarding activities. We're seeing a shift in certain rewards, because the people who play and develop these games are getting older and see less value in time-wasting activities.

alsonotan0rc · October 2016

No.

I personally enjoy crafting, and I have spent a great deal of time in game making sure I can craft anything for anyone. Making the motif available only in the crown store hobbles my ability to do that. If the style stones were available in-game, I would probably buy this motif, but crown store mimic stones are the only source of the style stone (and other people's cast-off grim harlequin, which was likely made a set piece and thus bind on equip.)

I would have to pay real money every time I make something in this style, and there is no way for another player to provide me with the style motif stone or compensate me in crown mimic stones, because, unless I'm mistaken, they are account bound. You can't even give someone a few crowns to buy more mimic stones.

I would much rather see a way to gift someone else's account with things like non-combat pets or crowns. There is plenty of profit to be made for ZOS there. I don't think this store-exclusive style stone is the right way to go.

Elsonso · October 2016

No.

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

My complaint with it has to do with the sense of achievement that cash shops steal away from MMO's. Ultimately they have a way of sucking the air (fun) out of the room over time

I am sure that Marketing knows this, but it is more than acceptable since they can just enlist some company to make a new game, once this game has been milked for everything that it can be.

We play games to have fun, but the reason that games exist is so that companies like ZeniMax Media can make money.

Cazzy · October 2016

No.

I said no because of the Crown Crates. Let me explain...

Because they intend to release Crates regardless of feedback we now have those and real money only motifs. That means a lot of items are now hiding behind paywalls.

If they decided to remove the crates but keep store only purchases, that would be fine! I can choose to buy it if I want it.

At the moment they're changing a lot about the game and are becoming extremely money hungry. Unfortunately it will have the opposite effect as they're ignoring their market (us) and we've made it clear we don't want to pay for things this way. It kinda feels like they're burning their own house down (the house being ESO longevity) for the insurance money

Elsonso · October 2016

No.

Cazzy wrote: »

At the moment they're changing a lot about the game and are becoming extremely money hungry. Unfortunately it will have the opposite effect as they're ignoring their market (us) and we've made it clear we don't want to pay for things this way. It kinda feels like they're burning their own house down (the house being ESO longevity) for the insurance money

In my opinion, there is often a single person behind things like this. If this is the case here, it will be interesting to know whether this person leaves the company, after they navigate ESO through the ramp-up of the Crown Store and, possibly, through the B2P -> F2P transition that I am expecting.

Cazzy · October 2016

No.

lordrichter wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

At the moment they're changing a lot about the game and are becoming extremely money hungry. Unfortunately it will have the opposite effect as they're ignoring their market (us) and we've made it clear we don't want to pay for things this way. It kinda feels like they're burning their own house down (the house being ESO longevity) for the insurance money

In my opinion, there is often a single person behind things like this. If this is the case here, it will be interesting to know whether this person leaves the company, after they navigate ESO through the ramp-up of the Crown Store and, possibly, through the B2P -> F2P transition that I am expecting.

I feel exactly the same way. In fact, I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in another thread that there was a new employee who is handling all the financial changes. They introduced loot boxes to other games too, IIRC.

driosketch · October 2016

Don`t know.

On the one hand, if I only wanted for myself, it's a pretty good deal.

However, socially, it creates a ton of problems. I want to be able to craft it for other players. But doing so means going back and buying more packs of mimic stones for real money more often. So rather than an opportunity to be generous, I'm almost have an obligation to gouge other players to craft it for them.

moonbat · October 2016

I would have purchased this motif from the store if not for the fact that it costs real money each time you craft it. I would have purchased it if the style item could be purchased with in game gold or farmed.

KramUzibra · October 2016

Yes.

Ja50nX wrote: »

KramUzibra wrote: »

"Desperate grab for cash"......? I disagree, I thinks it's smart business. There are people like me who wouldn't mind paying and appreciate the discounted mimic stones and the cheap motif.

Smart business would be playing the game they created to fix/balance everything to keep players from leaving & make long term players actually want to spend real $ on it.

On one side maybe, but if they didn't make money

MasterSpatula wrote: »

KramUzibra wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

There is no such thing as "just cosmetic." For some, the most important thing is the combat. For others, it's the story. And for others, it's building their character into what they want it to be, including appearance. When you dismiss appearance issues as "just cosmetic," you're telling them they don't matter. They do.

Remember, at release, ZOS promised there would never be a cash shop. That's part of why I jumped ship from SWTOR. I used to play SWG, and I quit over the Collectible Card Game. "Real World money for In-Game items only happens in bad games," I said. Then I gave SWTOR a try, where RW money for IG items is completely out of control. I stuck around for the story, but bailed when I heard a game was coming out with TES lore and no cash shop.

They broke their promise, and I left.

But I came back because I missed it, and I saw things hadn't gotten as bad as I'd feared. The Crown Store is definitely not the atrocity that is SWTOR's Cartel Market, but the slope has definitely gotten slippier and slippier since I've been back.

Negative, motifs do not give a competitive advantage to the buyer soo zos didn't break any promises. Also real money for virtual items does not determine the quality of the game.

Me: "Hey, let's not dismiss other people's values."

You: Utter dismissal of other people's values.

My intention was not to dismiss what you or others value. I value appearance just as much as combat which is why I purchased the motif. I value my characters appearance sooo much I'm willing to pay real money for virtual items!

Valethar · October 2016

No.

Given that it requires you to pay real money for the crafting material to use it, no.

If the style material was something we acquire in the same manner as we do for other motifs, I might (might!) be ok with selling it this way, but only if the motif were priced reasonably (which is currently not the case, IMO).

As it stands now, not interested. Between the cash only option for the style material, and the fact that we can't convert existing gear to the look, it's just not worth what they're asking.

I'm sure the whales (I generally refer to them as sheep, but I'm trying to be nice today) will swim (flock) to the store to be culled, but I won't be among them. At some point you have to say no to the Greed Collective™ when it comes to things like this.

KramUzibra · October 2016

Yes.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Aquanova wrote: »

It's cosmetic only and has no effect on actual game play so yeah why not?

They need to make money to keep the game going.

buy motif, sell crafted gear in game for gold. AKA gold converter.

Not really, I think buy item in crown store, then sell item in game is a gold converter.

Davor · October 2016

What's a motive? Also someone said mimic stones. What are they as well?

Valethar · October 2016

No.

Davor wrote: »

What's a motive? Also someone said mimic stones. What are they as well?

'Motif'. It's a 'style' for crafting, that gives gear a specific look. Mimic stones are generic crafting materials that literally mimic the properties of the material needed to craft that particular look. If a given motif requires, say, a piece of bone to craft the piece you want in the look you want, the mimic stone would take the place of that bone if you didn't have any. The stones basically allow you to craft things you might otherwise be incapable of crafting because you lack the material needed to do so.

Mimic stones only take the place of the style material, not the rest of the materials (wood, cloth, etc...) needed to craft an item, and do not grant the ability to craft in a style you haven't yet learned via a Motif or other means.

Davor · October 2016

Thanks you very much Valethar, greatly appreciated. So much to learn in this game.

Ohhgrizyyy · October 2016

Yes.

Grim Harlequin is ugly anyway...It's like a mix between Trinimac and dark brotherhood

Slurg · October 2016

No.

How many of these people who are saying its a great deal because of the mimic stones actually bought mimic stones regularly before this exclusive motif came with them? Talk about frogs in a pot! All this great deal does is insure you will always have to buy mimic stones to craft this style and all other exclusive styles in the future that are released like this.

The whole history of this game, there has been a way to get every crafting motif and the style mats in game. Only more recently were they introduced as an option for purchase. I have no problem with that, options are great. But now there are new motifs going straight to the store and not available in game at all. If this trend continues, after a while, the crown store will become an integral part of your in game experience if you are one of the people who cares about your character's appearance or being able to call yourself a master crafter who can craft every style. If you don't care about that stuff I'm very happy for you. I know you don't care, you don't have to keep saying it.

But but but, say the shills, stop asking for things for freeee! The only people getting anything for free in this game are the people who had someone buy the game on their behalf and who didn't spend another dime. That's not the vast majority of us. Now in another year or so when this game goes F2P (my estimate), you'll have a good argument for this being necessary to support the game. We're not there yet though.

silky_soft · October 2016

Yes.

Hopefully future motifs will not be gouge fests like current ones at 5k crowns.

madmamado · October 2016

Yes.

yes and its ugly

Caligamy_ESO · October 2016

No.

Yes I subscribe month to month.
Yes I have the crowns for it.

Not okay with it simply because this is the death of Master Crafters having all styles available to them through hard in-game effort. Chances are this wont be the last we see of things just like this. Lock more and more behind pay walls and bye Felicia.

Sigma957 · October 2016

Yes.

I bought it with the excess crowns I have and I really don't see a problem having a motif just in the crown store, maybe I will make some in game gold. People make a ton of gold selling gold jewelry by farming trials etc before 1T so why wasn't this frowned upon. If you want the motif it's simple as to just buy it and move on.

Valethar · October 2016

No.

Davor wrote: »

Thanks you very much Valethar, greatly appreciated. So much to learn in this game.

Quite welcome.

Skullstachio · October 2016

Yes.

I was fine with it, it was only 2,200 crowns for a motif that came with a bonus 54 crown mimic stones, one must be thankful that it was not like the other motifs (which may be about 5,000 crowns.)

JKorr · October 2016

Don`t know.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

This is a awesome idea, here is why!

Step 1 buy motif
Step 2 charge in game gold for the items you make

or

Step 1 buy motif
Step 2 make items in that style with mimic stones also bought for real money
Step 3 deco those and sell style stone

or

Aka Spend real money -> convert to in game money
Aka P2W
Aka ANOTHER lie from Zos who said all motif will be obtainable in game
Aka they already lied saying the motifs in game will be obtainable in a painless manner and not be designed to enter the game in a expensive/slow to obtain way to drive crown store sales (Look at the prices of the ones that are easier to get in store vs the ones that had little to no or a late show in the store)

This is a huge step towards p2w and I was only just telling my friend a few days ago how happy I was with them not going p2w... that I was surprised that the worse was just expensive in game motifs which caused a huge pain to get in game to draw in sales irl... but this is unbelievable.

I am just waiting to have it confirmed.. Confirm you are making it only crown store obtainable and never in game so I can just quit..

ALSO to the people stupidly thinking this is ok....

What do you think they are doing? They are obviously preparing to make a future move towards all new motifs being mimic stone reliable... you think they will stop here? All the new sets or MOST of them will have a small supply of style stones on release and after a while they will all be gone or worst SOOOOO much in game due to the rare amounts of them and EVERYONE will HAVE to buy crowns to get the styles they want in the future..

So this is a no brainer... this is a p2w move and a step towards crafting being PAY to make... Which I might remind people they also said would never happy...

I love the elder scrolls but if this is confirmed I AM OUT.

EDIT: Oh also this is coming from someone who makes $1500 a week and could easily buy this BUT WONT.. and someone who in game has close to 10m gold and can obtain hundreds of these style stones easily and will NOT be effected by this if for some reason I chose to stay... this is not about me since I would be fine this is about the people who join the game late or those who cant prepare and shouldnt HAVE to prepare to be able to craft in the future...

ZOS has lied again and worse is moving to a obvious p2w

Where did you see that every item you decon will give you a style mat? I'm curious; it doesn't always work that way now. Did they change the crafting mat decon rate so you'll always get a grinstone?

If they didn't, no matter how much in game gold you charge, you're going to lose using mimic stones to make gear you break down and get back fewer mats than you used in the first place, and possibly no style mat either.

Perwulf · October 2016

No.

Motifs aren't meant to be sold exclusively for crownstore, if people are gonna support this gimmick then i fear that this game's future is doomed to fail. Soon motifs will only be acquirable through paywall. #deathtoexclusivesmotifs

Eiagra · October 2016

I'm still thinking about it.

I don't object to it, per se, but I also am not fond of it.

Largely, because one of my character goals was to 100% learn every motif. This was back when your choice of epics were Barbaric, Primal, Ancient Elf, Daedric, Imperial, and Dwemer.

Around the time I had acquired all those was around the time Glass came out. Then more and more...

I may be a little sour that this goal I set for myself has become unattainable now.

Thus I'm withholding my vote due to bias.

Wow · October 2016

No.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Wow wrote: »

Consumers defending bad business practices of companies to justify their own purchases are worse than the companies that made bad business descisions in the first place.
Stop defending ZOS over the grim harlequin thing, they *** up, they are a big company they dont need your support or your petty downvoting of people that dont want to be screwed over.

This kind of thing pisses me off. You are the consumers, you are not the PR people of a company. Stop beeing unpaid shills and have some dignity.

Couldnt say it better. Can I use this quote in a youtube video pls?

@Hortator Indoril Nerevar yes sir

NeKryXe · October 2016

No.

i wasn't even aware that the Grim Harlequin was a Crown Store ONLY Motif since this wasn't supposed to happen.

jircris11 · October 2016

Yes.

i do not mind, so long as it is a style motiff if they move on to selling gold gear then no.

Some_Guy · October 2016

Yes.

Reykice wrote: »

The Grim Harlequin motif is now only found in the Crown Store. I thought motifs were supposed to also be in the Crown Store but not exclusive to it.

ZOS, will you stop here or will we see other surprises added? Why are you even doing this, is the game in financial trouble?

Is the game in financial trouble? Nah, especially with all these people buying this crap out of the crown store.
There seems to be a misunderstanding. Zenimax isn't your friendly neighborhood game donator, out to make good games and have everyone play it on the cheap. Zenimax is a company, a business, who's goal has been, is, and mostly likely will remain to make money. "Isn't the money they're making off all the other stuff enough?" you may ask. No, it isn't. No amount will ever be "enough" when it comes to making as much as you can. And so long as the new stuff makes more money from people willing to spend it, while "running off" a minimal number of players (who probably weren't going to spend much more anyway), the company will move forward with it.
They will continue to release anything and everything they can to continue making money so long as they see it to be a net gain, because that's what businesses do.

newtinmpls · October 2016

I just don't utilize them