Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

A great example of this is the Shadows of the Hist dungeons. When they enter chief-bane pledge rotation, I see no one looking for them. Not even experienced guildies who wear best in slot gear. Why? They were hell to deal with now, now their even harder, and no one wants to sit there and die over and over again because *** that.

Actually not a valid example. DLC dungeons have not seen any increase or decrease in difficulty, besides the group of 4 bosses in VICP during the 1st week, but ZoS admitted that was a bug and made them same as before with the incremental patch. Finding a group capable of doing SotH dungeons on veteran mode, let alone the last boss on hard mode, has always been a challenge since the DLC went live over 2 months ago, as I mentioned here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/287499/fewer-people-online-lately-on-eu-pc

Probably most people who tried them were doing them in normal mode because there was still a chance to get the head that way. The only thing that One Tamriel changed is the fact that the head only drops on veteran. So there's little motivation for people running those anymore: they have either got the heads already, or they don't feel confident enough to run the veteran now to get it. I seriously doubt that people with BiS gear can't finish either of those dungeons, because they are not about DPS, but more about knowing the mechanics. You can have the best gold gear, but still wipe if you don't play as a group. So I can only conclude that your guild mates lack the actual skill to run those, not the CP or gear.

Your assumption was that they are harder now which is false. I've run each of them twice since the patch and saw no change in difficulty. They have always been hard. The fact that they die a lot doing them, that being the reason that they don't run them anymore it's telling that they are not that skilled. Went trough them quite a few times without any wipe, and once was even close to the no death achievement in VCoS. Normal mode is a joke though. Did it once on CoS and almost fell asleep on the keyboard. In fact it's so easy that it doesn't teach you the mechanics, which on veteran are always one shot. That's the case with all DLC dungeons. I also saw many messages on zone chat asking for people to run those dungeons in normal mode, just prior to the patch. Now there are far fewer. That validates my assumption: people that could run them on normal can't run them on veteran, but people who could run them on veteran, which are far fewer, still can now and they actually do.

I really like the fact that it's harder to kill general mobs now. The ease at which you could take out 10+ was mind numbing. The Craglorn rifts are really fun now and keep you thinking on your feet.

I haven't done any dungeons yet so I cannot comment on that difficulty.

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Your assumption was that they are harder now which is false. I've run each of them twice since the patch and saw no change in difficulty. They have always been hard. The fact that they die a lot doing them, that being the reason that they don't run them anymore it's telling that they are not that skilled. Went trough them quite a few times without any wipe, and once was even close to the no death achievement in VCoS. Normal mode is a joke though. Did it once on CoS and almost fell asleep on the keyboard. In fact it's so easy that it doesn't teach you the mechanics, which on veteran are always one shot. That's the case with all DLC dungeons. I also saw many messages on zone chat asking for people to run those dungeons in normal mode, just prior to the patch. Now there are far fewer. That validates my assumption: people that could run them on normal can't run them on veteran, but people who could run them on veteran, which are far fewer, still can now and they actually do.

And this remains bringing up the question 'how much content should we make for the blessed few'. Which the answer to, is zero.

Nerf Shadows of the hist. Nerf it because it's broken, nerf it because I'm sick of hardcore pandering, nerf it until you have a handle on how to actually do difficulty, ZOS.

PS. Quote button. It is your friend.

Veteran mode SotH/IC, MA, DSA, trials are just a tiny part of the game. You can easily play the normal modes which are very easy if you can't handle the veteran. In fact, as I pointed out above it's not that the veteran modes are too hard, but that the normal modes are too easy to provide actual training for the former. And in no way should the normal versions provide the same rewards as the veteran ones as some have suggested here.

P.S. I don't always use the quote button because certain replies with nested and complete quotes can become very hard to read.

I'm a relatively new player - staring about 6 months ago. Back when I started the game - with no CP's, no crafters, no guilds etc. I thought it was too easy. I liked to do a bit of PVP too while levelling up my main. At first I wanted to fully do everything in every zone too, but I soon kept over-levelling the story/..
I found the story quests were a few levels below me and so too easy - and therefore not much fun/challenge.
Eventually I stopped trying to do everything, but there was still no challenge to 50.

I then joined a guild and switched alliance at around CP30 - starting a new character from scratch. Also got ESO+ This time, I levelled partly in the main zones, partly in IC. I had access to some gear now as my first character had levelled up a bit of crafting. This made it even easier. I was going to IC (for that bit of challenge), doing some PVP, then coming back to the main story at far too high a level.. easier still.

After hitting lvl 30/40 I thought I'd see how far I could go without updating my gear. I was doing the main story quests at my level with gear that was 10 levels below me - half that needed repairing. That started to become a bit more challenging but not in a good way.

This was all with 30cp's I was looking at stuff on the forums where people were saying its too easy and others were just saying 'don't spend your CP's then, don't use gear sets' etc.. nope - still to easy - lol.

Anyways, now at around 300CP I can solo some normal dungeons - haven't managed to do any of the II versions and never even tried a vet. I haven't seen a new world boss that I haven't managed to solo yet (some have been close though!).

Also my alt which has levelled a lot in BWB can now happily do story quests for skillpoints in zones I havn't done before and it be at her level - which is nice.

I think I like it - I just think it should be easier to find/follow the main story quest in each zone, and differentiate them from non-storyline quests (or am I missing something?)

So yeah, its better now, I think.

** Edit - when I say main story, I mean the main zone quests that grant skill-points - not the Harbourage stuff.

Kneighbors wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

After a few days here are further thoughts.

I dont wanna pug anymore. I dont wanna do dungeons anymore, without guildies. they've become long involved processes that most people *** up because the game does not give you any indication on how to build your character, and if you do it wrong, your usually screwed. This is indicitive of the larger design problems I've shouted about for a while, but it's in full swing here.

A great example of this is the Shadows of the Hist dungeons. When they enter chief-bane pledge rotation, I see no one looking for them. Not even experienced guildies who wear best in slot gear. Why? They were hell to deal with now, now their even harder, and no one wants to sit there and die over and over again because *** that.

I predicted it'd happen. I said that when given a choice the playerbase wouldn't choose exessive difficulty, that these people shouting for it, are the minority. And I remain vindicated. Hell, I dont see people doing the "2" versions of dungeons because the old pledge restrictions, keeping wraiths alive on Neri'neth, Vila Therans damage beam, are now too much to deal not ability wise, but patience wise.

I will leave the discussion on people who had been leveling abandoning characters alone. Because I can see where their coming from. It does feel like you'd be leveling down this update.

We have entered the age where no direction is no longer tollerable. ZOS needs to give players a helping hand in building their characters. Otherwise, no one will -bother-.

Well, I understand you like to suffer in games and get a feeling of achievment when you pass a dungeon after 2 hours of struggling, several players changing and 10 deaths for each player. But casual players don't. They come after a long working day to make a 20-60 minutes dungeon run and do something else. For example they prefer to study the difference between "they are", "their" and "there" if they didn't at school. Especially this can become embarassing if English is your primary language.

I think you both saying the same thing........

I find it hard and near impossible to solo anything. It's very frustrating.

The other issue I have is I'm trying to get master crafter and I'm having difficulty because all the nodes scale to my level. When there is a writ that I don't have the mats for I have to go hunt them down. Not that that in and of itself is a problem but then when I find what I need, it scales to my level. For example If I need to make a sip of health and I need water, all the water scales to Orkins (sp) tears which doesn't help and that is what I find frustrating.

Other than that a great job!

None of the options represents 100% how I feel, but in general I think the game is more "annoying" now, for my no-CP character. I would like to see the landscape mobs to die as fast as before, with the end "bosses" for quests buffed as they are now where they can provide some sort of challenge. Killing ordinary stuff now takes way too long and the takes away the relaxing feeling I have loved ESO for...

Phica_Lovic wrote: »

BlackEar wrote: »

By "all of the above" you mean???

Yes. Exactly. Gotta have an option for those who don't want to actually answer it, but still participate.

look up the definition of "indifferent"

Phica_Lovic wrote: »

I did this poll to see a few things:
Firstly, to, of course, answer the question and get people's opinions.

Secondly, and more importantly, I did this poll to see the amount of voters v the amount of commentors.

My conclusion? 200 votes and nearly 50% are pleased with how One Tamriel's difficulty came out. But the comments are stills poison and very little ACTUAL criticism in them. It become anecdotal evidence about a low CP group or some noob, or that kids don't know how to play.

I would go even further to say that the most annoying (mostly), and loudest people end up being the ones with the unhelpful comments, and the rest of us sit around and read what is written.

To summarize, I thought this game may have been taking a turn for the worst, and I was simply turning a blind eye to it. But in fact, most people agree with me that this change - while could've been implemented better - isn't terrible and going to end ESO. The people who are screaming are the ones that are posting so often about how the game is broken, but the rest of us (the majority of us) are still playing and attempting to find our way in this new Tamriel.

See you all there. And thank you for your participation.

Here's my fundaments and arguments for YOU. Suporting my vote. Which i wouldn't change yet!

Altho i LIKE the change, so far i still think its easy.

@Phica_Lovic with that attitude you're no better than them "loud people", and your conclusion is absolutly wrong. Despite that you are wrong altogether, if there is a global choise like "All the above", it means there's no "wining side" because everything together is possible.