So.... Who wants 1.5 back now?

Ishammael · October 2016

driosketch wrote: »

Regardless, now that I understand what the major change was, it's clear that issue is the "stam meta" rather than missing some golden era of PvP.

No, it's both.

PvP golden era was absolutely pre 1.6 - that is beyond refute. Numbers, servers, players, competition, guilds, you name it.

Stam classes are all the same since 1.6, which is Mano's point. ESO PvP has been one big androgynous mess for a while.

Alomar · October 2016

The Elder Forums of Scrolls Online are full of similar themed threads long forgotten to the depths, with the bulk of this game's once pvp community. If you haven't learned by now that the only direction this game's pvp goes is downhill, I truly pity you. For tis was a fun game at one point, now being propped up by nostalgia and casuals (no offence to the casuals it's just almost all hardcore pvpers left already =P).

[SNIP]

Manoekin · October 2016

Ishammael wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Regardless, now that I understand what the major change was, it's clear that issue is the "stam meta" rather than missing some golden era of PvP.

No, it's both.

PvP golden era was absolutely pre 1.6 - that is beyond refute. Numbers, servers, players, competition, guilds, you name it.

Stam classes are all the same since 1.6, which is Mano's point. ESO PvP has been one big androgynous mess for a while.

Ye, even during 1.6 we still had a lot of guilds, but 1.6 killed it for a lot of them. The PvP population and number of PvP guilds is significantly lower than before 1.6.

driosketch · October 2016

Alomar wrote: »

[SNIP].

Manoekin wrote: »

Alomar wrote: »

The Elder Forums of Scrolls Online are full of similar themed threads long forgotten to the depths, with the bulk of this game's once pvp community. If you haven't learned by now that the only direction this game's pvp goes is downhill, I truly pity you. For tis was a fun game at one point, now being propped up by nostalgia and casuals (no offence to the casuals it's just almost all hardcore pvpers left already =P).

[SNIP].

This is what I had heard. I'm honestly curious what the old serious pvpers are doing right now. Just going from game to game, hoping the next leap will be the leap home?

Satiar · October 2016

driosketch wrote: »

Alomar wrote: »

[SNIP].

Manoekin wrote: »

Alomar wrote: »

The Elder Forums of Scrolls Online are full of similar themed threads long forgotten to the depths, with the bulk of this game's once pvp community. If you haven't learned by now that the only direction this game's pvp goes is downhill, I truly pity you. For tis was a fun game at one point, now being propped up by nostalgia and casuals (no offence to the casuals it's just almost all hardcore pvpers left already =P).

[SNIP].

This is what I had heard. I'm honestly curious what the old serious pvpers are doing right now. Just going from game to game, hoping the next leap will be the leap home?

There isn't much out there

Kas · October 2016

not me. nn 20+man groups spamming nothing but elemental wall and some ults and abusing a bugged skill (wall) and an imbalanced proc set (1.5 skoria was jsut as bad as today's stuff) block casting everything was also pretty bad. interruptible heavy attack though...

but i don't even remember if that was 1.5 or 1.4

Manoekin · October 2016

Satiar wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Alomar wrote: »

[SNIP].

Manoekin wrote: »

Alomar wrote: »

The Elder Forums of Scrolls Online are full of similar themed threads long forgotten to the depths, with the bulk of this game's once pvp community. If you haven't learned by now that the only direction this game's pvp goes is downhill, I truly pity you. For tis was a fun game at one point, now being propped up by nostalgia and casuals (no offence to the casuals it's just almost all hardcore pvpers left already =P).

[SNIP]

This is what I had heard. I'm honestly curious what the old serious pvpers are doing right now. Just going from game to game, hoping the next leap will be the leap home?

There isn't much out there

They're scattered in a bunch of games waiting for a new MMO that looks good from my experience. Most are giving up on MMO's at least for now.

Darnathian · October 2016

Satiar wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Alomar wrote: »

[SNIP]

Manoekin wrote: »

Alomar wrote: »

The Elder Forums of Scrolls Online are full of similar themed threads long forgotten to the depths, with the bulk of this game's once pvp community. If you haven't learned by now that the only direction this game's pvp goes is downhill, I truly pity you. For tis was a fun game at one point, now being propped up by nostalgia and casuals (no offence to the casuals it's just almost all hardcore pvpers left already =P).

[SNIP].

This is what I had heard. I'm honestly curious what the old serious pvpers are doing right now. Just going from game to game, hoping the next leap will be the leap home?

There isn't much out there

BF1 on the 21st. . Looks great

DKsUnite · October 2016

I wish azura star was proc-free aswell as CP-free, i would glady escape there

NBrookus · October 2016

DKsUnite wrote: »

I wish azura star was proc-free aswell as CP-free, i would glady escape there

It's not cheese-free, but it is cheese reduced.

PenguinInACan · October 2016

NBrookus wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

I wish azura star was proc-free aswell as CP-free, i would glady escape there

It's not cheese-free, but it is cheese reduced.

I dunno about that. Usually when I come into AZ with some ham and bread I come out with a sandwich leaving me constipated for a week.

NBrookus · October 2016

Well, I admit the current DC... infestation... has a whole lot of Viper/Velidreth pasteurized processed cheese food in it. And before that the Malubeth & Stormknight crews... Maybe you're right, it's just the diet you get used to.

And yeah, I'm wearing Grothdarr; being tanky doesn't help much against multiple set procs so I might as well try to kill someone. But my desire to go anywhere in Cyrodiil has been sapped.

strikeback1247 · October 2016

"We should go back to the alpha version of the game, it was way better back then!"

Kappa

OtarTheMad · October 2016

I, for one, am taking a break from the PvP side of the game and just running around farming new sets. Kind of the beauty of the game (having different aspects you can play), I am an avid PvP fan but it's not in a good place right now (unless you count BWB) and so I just stay on the PvE side of things.

It's sad, PvP was once so much fun.

kevlarto_ESO · October 2016

Well it does not hurt to dream, never say never but in this case I will make an exception, never gona happen, so adapt or move on.

There is a lot of things I do not like, but it is what it is.

Eirella · October 2016

I would take any patch before Thieves Guild over what we have now. u_u

mtwiggz · October 2016

#BringBack1.5

Saint_Bud · October 2016

Its funny, once there was treads how bad VR systhem and softcaps are. I dont think that players once scream for changes still play the game because who wasnt able to deal with 1.5 mechanics is also not able to deal with it to day. ZOS waste a lot of time for redisigne there game instead working on real problems (blockcasting, class-stam magicka balance and the lootsysthem).

Ishammael · October 2016

Satiar wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Alomar wrote: »

[SNIP]

Manoekin wrote: »

Alomar wrote: »

The Elder Forums of Scrolls Online are full of similar themed threads long forgotten to the depths, with the bulk of this game's once pvp community. If you haven't learned by now that the only direction this game's pvp goes is downhill, I truly pity you. For tis was a fun game at one point, now being propped up by nostalgia and casuals (no offence to the casuals it's just almost all hardcore pvpers left already =P).

[SNIP]

This is what I had heard. I'm honestly curious what the old serious pvpers are doing right now. Just going from game to game, hoping the next leap will be the leap home?

There isn't much out there

Civilization 6 for me here in a week.

CU would be cool... But I doubt it will be released until 2018 at the earliest. Beta in early 2017, maybe.

ZOS_PeterT · October 2016

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Any discussion of outside companies, products or games are against our forum rules.

pjwb16_ESO · October 2016

1.4 was the truly amazing pvp, ground oils for those of you who remember

Fruitdog · October 2016

ZOS_PeterT wrote: »

Several posts on this thread have been removed/edited.

Please keep all discussion in relation only to ESO and its features/mechanics.

Any discussion of outside companies, products or games are against our forum rules.

it's a shame there isn't a LOL button anymore

SHADOW2KK · October 2016

Nope, absolutely hated the harry potter dress wearing fotm that lasted for months and months:P

bellanca6561n · October 2016

Ishammael wrote: »

Hi,
Call me ISHAMMAEL.

Ah, finally a cultural reference I get!

But....did you actually read it?

No matter. Dylan gets the Nobel. Which was wonderful but it also lets you know the times, they aren't a changing....they've changed.

Ishammael · October 2016

bellanca6561n wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Hi,
Call me ISHAMMAEL.

Ah, finally a cultural reference I get!

But....did you actually read it?

No matter. Dylan gets the Nobel. Which was wonderful but it also lets you know the times, they aren't a changing....they've changed.

Two things:
1. Yes, I read Moby Dck cover to cover. Parts of it are absolutely marvelous. "Give not thyself up, then, to fire, lest it invert thee..."
(Also, Khan quoting Melville is awesome.)

1a. There is another book with a talking Gorilla. It is one of the most vapid, pseudo intellectual pieces of junk I have ever been forced to read.

2. While I love Dylan, awarding him the literature prize is ridiculous.... Although I'm sure this opinion will start quite the argument.

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

1.4 was the truly amazing pvp, ground oils for those of you who remember

Rip ground oils...

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Nope, absolutely hated the harry potter dress wearing fotm that lasted for months and months:P

The "proc" meta is better?

reclaimervii.sierra117ub17_ESO · October 2016

All i want is balance who am i kidding we all know that will never happen

SirAndy · October 2016

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Nope, absolutely hated the harry potter dress wearing fotm that lasted for months and months:P

I rolled a Stamblade for my main PvP char at PC launch (!) and refused to wear a pretty dress and play with wooden sticks.

Anyone who thinks 1.5 was balanced was part of the pretty dress meta, simple as that ...

Manoekin · October 2016

SirAndy wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Nope, absolutely hated the harry potter dress wearing fotm that lasted for months and months:P

I rolled a Stamblade for my main PvP char at PC launch (!) and refused to wear a pretty dress and play with wooden sticks.

Anyone who thinks 1.5 was balanced was part of the pretty dress meta, simple as that ...

Satiar wrote: »

I played a very viable Stam build in 1.5.

Was amazing in group play, open world, and in duels I could go toe to toe with FoTM Magica DKs.

To think I once got respect for having a Stam build, makes me giggle.

SirAndy · October 2016

Manoekin wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Nope, absolutely hated the harry potter dress wearing fotm that lasted for months and months:P

I rolled a Stamblade for my main PvP char at PC launch (!) and refused to wear a pretty dress and play with wooden sticks.
Anyone who thinks 1.5 was balanced was part of the pretty dress meta, simple as that ...

Satiar wrote: »

I played a very viable Stam build in 1.5.
Was amazing in group play, open world, and in duels I could go toe to toe with FoTM Magica DKs.
To think I once got respect for having a Stam build, makes me giggle.

Using your logic, quoting the guy who just posted that magicka is still overpowered in PvP proofs that there is no current magicka meta.

Nothing to see here folks, @Manoekin just provided proof the current game is balanced!

Manoekin · October 2016

SirAndy wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Nope, absolutely hated the harry potter dress wearing fotm that lasted for months and months:P

I rolled a Stamblade for my main PvP char at PC launch (!) and refused to wear a pretty dress and play with wooden sticks.
Anyone who thinks 1.5 was balanced was part of the pretty dress meta, simple as that ...

Satiar wrote: »

I played a very viable Stam build in 1.5.
Was amazing in group play, open world, and in duels I could go toe to toe with FoTM Magica DKs.
To think I once got respect for having a Stam build, makes me giggle.

Using your logic, quoting the guy who just posted that magicka is still overpowered in PvP proofs that there is no current magicka meta.

Nothing to see here folks, @Manoekin just provided proof the current game is balanced!

You might actually be an idiot man. The only thing magicka has going for it is destro ult. If your idea of balance is to add an ult that's just a prox det that goes off every second for 10(?) seconds I really don't want to play any games you have a hand in. Aside from that you have no reason to be magicka unless you're healing. A lot of people prefer magicka, but it's just simply not as good and that's an unbiased fact. 1.4/1.5 had actual balance, even between stam/magicka. It wasn't around long enough to develop past stam = ganker. Steve kinda figured it out imo. I remember him from back then and he really stood out not just because he was stam, but because he made just as much of an impact as the other players around him. If you look back on the game's history no one figured out that negate was a good ultimate until like a month into the game (lol). It took at least 2-3 patches before Krim figured out nightblades could not only compete but be potentially the best class in the game when played right. Before that every nightblade used a bow or they rerolled. DK builds evolved a lot from launch to 1.5. A lot of changes to gear/stat distributions. Templars weren't even the preferred healers early on. Sorc resto heals were insanely stronger and they had better sustain. None of these things happened because of buffs/nerfs, but just because players figured things out. The ability was there, just player ingenuity hadn't gotten to the point where stam became widespread outside of gankers.

TLDR, redesigning your entire game when it was working well wasn't the answer.