So.... Who wants 1.5 back now?

Ishammael · October 2016

Hi,
Call me ISHAMMAEL.
I used to love ESO.
By then
(Poor mDK)
Bad things happened.
Can we have 1.5 back now?

Thanks!

Soulac · October 2016

Nah

caeliusstarbreaker · October 2016

At this point in time, I want last patch back.

OdinForge · October 2016

The start of DB where people were still in medium armor was nice, before the heavy armor & proc meta kicked into high gear.

Samuel_Bantien · October 2016

I've already got friends leaving (or taking breaks from the game... again!) because of the proc meta. It is so boring just watching procs go off to either kill you, or they run away till they have ultimates and procs ready. The group bug has also been a huge killer for us, one that should've been fixed during the PTS. There is no reason for something so detrimental to the game to be released, it is sloppy and it is lazy.

One thing in common they all said before leaving, "1.5 was much better than this crap!"

I too do not like the direction the game is heading.

Star_Carrier · October 2016

Yeah I'm sick of Elder Procs Online One Stamriel.

caeliusstarbreaker · October 2016

Proc sets need some type of adjustment, where dmg scales appropriately. I don't know if they should just all be toned down, not scale with cp, have a cool down, have a more complex proc system (even as "complex" as kena 2 piece), have probabilities more in line with class based proc chance, some combination of these? I don't know but it needs to be reevaluated.

Soul assault really needs to be looked at, because "just block it" isn't a worthwhile counter.

Heavy armor should be looked at, even if it means decreasing dmg leveling factors but increasing survivability.

Dark deal is in need of a tweak lower, not a nerf.

Poisons basically need to be halved across the board.

There is just so much that, at least from my opinion, needs to be reworked or looked at.

Ishammael · October 2016

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

Proc sets need some type of adjustment, where dmg scales appropriately. I don't know if they should just all be toned down, not scale with cp, have a cool down, have a more complex proc system (even as "complex" as kena 2 piece), have probabilities more in line with class based proc chance, some combination of these? I don't know but it needs to be reevaluated.

Soul assault really needs to be looked at, because "just block it" isn't a worthwhile counter.

Heavy armor should be looked at, even if it means decreasing dmg leveling factors but increasing survivability.

Dark deal is in need of a tweak lower, not a nerf.

Poisons basically need to be halved across the board.

There is just so much that, at least from my opinion, needs to be reworked or looked at.

Hi rhage!

Samuel_Bantien wrote: »

I've already got friends leaving (or taking breaks from the game... again!) because of the proc meta. It is so boring just watching procs go off to either kill you, or they run away till they have ultimates and procs ready. The group bug has also been a huge killer for us, one that should've been fixed during the PTS. There is no reason for something so detrimental to the game to be released, it is sloppy and it is lazy.

One thing in common they all said before leaving, "1.5 was much better than this crap!"

I too do not like the direction the game is heading.

I haven't played in a few months, but I would play 1.5!

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

At this point in time, I want last patch back.

Vanilla 1.6, maybe?

Etaniel · October 2016

1.5 > all

Manoekin · October 2016

Wouldn't mind it.

Also wouldn't mind current patch with dynamic ulti, tone down poisons, tone down proc damage, decrease damage dealt when wearing heavy armor.

God_flakes · October 2016

Manoekin wrote: »

Wouldn't mind it.

Also wouldn't mind current patch with dynamic ulti, tone down poisons, tone down proc damage, decrease damage dealt when wearing heavy armor.

Tone down poisons hahahahaha QQ more Manoe

HoloYoitsu · October 2016

Can't we go back to 1.2 and get the lag free game we used to have too?

driosketch · October 2016

If you don't like the meta in ESO, just wait a few months. - M'aiq the liar

Magus · October 2016

ESO 1.5 was my favorite game of all time. I played it an unhealthy amount that affected my real life where I struggled going to work on time. Now, I can thank ZOS for destroying their game, so I can easily say gtg work in the morning and log out and not think twice about it and not wish I was playing more. Thanks ZOS, you made me into your target audience casual player. Bonus points is you get to laugh about people still being tryhards in this game.

Rikumaru · October 2016

I came back to this game after watching PvP from 1.5. Unfortunately I waited till ESO became B2P so I could hop on and log in so I never experienced what looked like the best PvP in ESO since release

altemriel · October 2016

nope

,

get used to it, I love it

!

driosketch · October 2016

It all blurs together, so I had to look up the patch notes. 1.5 was still when all class skills were only magicka. Ah the time of light armor impluse ball groups with immovable CC immunity always up. (As opposed to the prox ball groups that followed.) Vampire emps with bat swarm up every 5 seconds. Templars, instead of one OP skill everyone complains about, had a half dozen broken skills.

Let's not pretend 1.5 was perfect for everyone. There are pluses, and minuses, then as now. What you prefer largely depends on your playstyle I guess.

Cinbri · October 2016

I just want Blinding Light back..and Eclipse...and dinamic ultimates...and no lags.

Manoekin · October 2016

driosketch wrote: »

It all blurs together, so I had to look up the patch notes. 1.5 was still when all class skills were only magicka. Ah the time of light armor impluse ball groups with immovable CC immunity always up. (As opposed to the prox ball groups that followed.) Vampire emps with bat swarm up every 5 seconds. Templars, instead of one OP skill everyone complains about, had a half dozen broken skills.

Let's not pretend 1.5 was perfect for everyone. There are pluses, and minuses, then as now. What you prefer largely depends on your playstyle I guess.

I'm trying to figure out if you're pointing out good things or if you think they're bad things. I suppose 1.5 wasn't good for the people who slotted the entire weapon skill line on their bar. That's about it. Every class had a viable spec, and some had more than one. There's no question about play style. Just because your RP sword and shield build that you came up with when levelling didn't work, that doesn't mean you couldn't play a tank on any class. Tanks were viable, ranged was viable, melee was viable. If you didn't like 1.5 pvp it was either due to the massive bugs, or you wanted to RP and realized your RP build sucked.

Manoekin · October 2016

God_flakes wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Wouldn't mind it.

Also wouldn't mind current patch with dynamic ulti, tone down poisons, tone down proc damage, decrease damage dealt when wearing heavy armor.

Tone down poisons hahahahaha QQ more Manoe

They're insanely better than their counterpart unless you don't use any offensive weapon skills. Keep up with the rest of the class please.

heystreethawk · October 2016

I just found this cryptic scroll on the ground and it reads "1.6 had the nirnhoned armor trait" so idk

Ishammael · October 2016

Manoekin wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

It all blurs together, so I had to look up the patch notes. 1.5 was still when all class skills were only magicka. Ah the time of light armor impluse ball groups with immovable CC immunity always up. (As opposed to the prox ball groups that followed.) Vampire emps with bat swarm up every 5 seconds. Templars, instead of one OP skill everyone complains about, had a half dozen broken skills.

Let's not pretend 1.5 was perfect for everyone. There are pluses, and minuses, then as now. What you prefer largely depends on your playstyle I guess.

I'm trying to figure out if you're pointing out good things or if you think they're bad things. I suppose 1.5 wasn't good for the people who slotted the entire weapon skill line on their bar. That's about it. Every class had a viable spec, and some had more than one. There's no question about play style. Just because your RP sword and shield build that you came up with when levelling didn't work, that doesn't mean you couldn't play a tank on any class. Tanks were viable, ranged was viable, melee was viable. If you didn't like 1.5 pvp it was either due to the massive bugs, or you wanted to RP and realized your RP build sucked.

Exactly.

Detractors of 1.5 usually point out the WoE bug, negates, and "OP" DK. Yes, there was no such thing as a Stamina build. But the game made more internal sense: stamina was a resource for combat actions (roll, block, sprint) and filler weapon skills. This was more consistent with elder scrolls games of the past. Class balance was waaaaaaay closer than anything in the last year.

Anyway, I haven't played ESO since dark brotherhood. Patch 1.5 will always be remembered by me as the one that made the game great. Everything after it was just a big let down. Gameplay changes were introduced with no thought or reasoning. The biggest potential content add on for elder scrolls -- imperial city -- was fumbled so hard that Jim Kelly was laughing.

I loved ESO. Yes, it has more subscribers, more content, more stuff now. It makes more money. It is more "successful". But you know what? It isn't fun. It's a grind fest and a cash shop. Gag me.

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Can't we go back to 1.2 and get the lag free game we used to have too?

ZOS, please!

Magus wrote: »

ESO 1.5 was my favorite game of all time. I played it an unhealthy amount that affected my real life where I struggled going to work on time. Now, I can thank ZOS for destroying their game, so I can easily say gtg work in the morning and log out and not think twice about it and not wish I was playing more. Thanks ZOS, you made me into your target audience casual player. Bonus points is you get to laugh about people still being tryhards in this game.

Agreed here.

Etaniel wrote: »

1.5 > all

Make more 1.5 videos with killer sound tracks! Oh wait... :'(

Mojomonkeyman · October 2016

driosketch wrote: »

It all blurs together, so I had to look up the patch notes. 1.5 was still when all class skills were only magicka. Ah the time of light armor impluse ball groups with immovable CC immunity always up. (As opposed to the prox ball groups that followed.) Vampire emps with bat swarm up every 5 seconds. Templars, instead of one OP skill everyone complains about, had a half dozen broken skills.

Let's not pretend 1.5 was perfect for everyone. There are pluses, and minuses, then as now. What you prefer largely depends on your playstyle I guess.

I actually agree totally with that guy. Welcome to the RP club, mojo.

WillhelmBlack · October 2016

+1

Just a separate PvP server would be nice.

driosketch · October 2016

Manoekin wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

It all blurs together, so I had to look up the patch notes. 1.5 was still when all class skills were only magicka. Ah the time of light armor impluse ball groups with immovable CC immunity always up. (As opposed to the prox ball groups that followed.) Vampire emps with bat swarm up every 5 seconds. Templars, instead of one OP skill everyone complains about, had a half dozen broken skills.

Let's not pretend 1.5 was perfect for everyone. There are pluses, and minuses, then as now. What you prefer largely depends on your playstyle I guess.

I'm trying to figure out if you're pointing out good things or if you think they're bad things. I suppose 1.5 wasn't good for the people who slotted the entire weapon skill line on their bar. That's about it. Every class had a viable spec, and some had more than one. There's no question about play style. Just because your RP sword and shield build that you came up with when levelling didn't work, that doesn't mean you couldn't play a tank on any class. Tanks were viable, ranged was viable, melee was viable. If you didn't like 1.5 pvp it was either due to the massive bugs, or you wanted to RP and realized your RP build sucked.

Let me guess, you ran the blob meta?

Real quick, every class has a viable spec now, I play many of them.

Oh and RP builds, I have an unarmed khajiit build I've been running since before 1.5. I update him after every major update. He's great.

Maybe the reason some of you cling nostalgically to your old meta is because you never branched out, so you never learned to adapt.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · October 2016

1. Disable CP or cap at 100 or so
2. Cap attributes effect on damage, shields and heals at a set value (inb4 mah draugr hulk!!!)
3. Remove battle spirit entirely (use step 2 to adjust the damage/heals/shields) to current BS levels (bam, dragon blood, blazing shield, fixed)
4. Reduce base regens in cyro or cap regen
5. Un-nerf every skill that has been nerfed in the last 3 years

Let's have a meta where classes are fun, sets are fun, skills are fun but stacking attributes is not.

Lexxypwns · October 2016

Magus wrote: »

ESO 1.5 was my favorite game of all time I played it an unhealthy amount that affected my real life where I struggled going to work on time. Now, I can thank ZOS for destroying their game, so I can easily say gtg work in the morning and log out and not think twice about it and not wish I was playing more. Thanks ZOS, you made me into your target audience casual player. Bonus points is you get to laugh about people still being tryhards in this game.

Its up there for me too, I went from playing 6+(sometimes 10-12) hours daily gradually down to about 10 hours a week

Manoekin · October 2016

driosketch wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

It all blurs together, so I had to look up the patch notes. 1.5 was still when all class skills were only magicka. Ah the time of light armor impluse ball groups with immovable CC immunity always up. (As opposed to the prox ball groups that followed.) Vampire emps with bat swarm up every 5 seconds. Templars, instead of one OP skill everyone complains about, had a half dozen broken skills.

Let's not pretend 1.5 was perfect for everyone. There are pluses, and minuses, then as now. What you prefer largely depends on your playstyle I guess.

I'm trying to figure out if you're pointing out good things or if you think they're bad things. I suppose 1.5 wasn't good for the people who slotted the entire weapon skill line on their bar. That's about it. Every class had a viable spec, and some had more than one. There's no question about play style. Just because your RP sword and shield build that you came up with when levelling didn't work, that doesn't mean you couldn't play a tank on any class. Tanks were viable, ranged was viable, melee was viable. If you didn't like 1.5 pvp it was either due to the massive bugs, or you wanted to RP and realized your RP build sucked.

Let me guess, you ran the blob meta?

Real quick, every class has a viable spec now, I play many of them.

Oh and RP builds, I have an unarmed khajiit build I've been running since before 1.5. I update him after every major update. He's great.

Maybe the reason some of you cling nostalgically to your old meta is because you never branched out, so you never learned to adapt.

I ran the everything meta (outside of 1vx). I've PvPed and PvE'd at the highest levels. If you don't believe me you don't have to. I won't say every class has a viable spec. What I will say is that every class has the option to spec stamina and there you go 75% of the battle is done for you. From that point on it just depends on how well your class synergizes with stam. 1.5 most people went magicka, yes, but not all specs were the same. I wouldn't even know what class I'm going up against these days if the UI didn't tell me to be perfectly honest. It's just stam player no.1 and stam player no.2 whacking you. Game was better when your class meant something other than just getting the best passive bonuses to buff your stamina/wep damage.

Satiar · October 2016

I played a very viable Stam build in 1.5.

Was amazing in group play, open world, and in duels I could go toe to toe with FoTM Magica DKs.

To think I once got respect for having a Stam build, makes me giggle.

Derra · October 2016

Hated 1.5.

Like the current patch over anything that came after 1.6.

driosketch · October 2016

Regardless, now that I understand what the major change was, it's clear that issue is the "stam meta" rather than missing some golden era of PvP.