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20% Armored Ignored by a Maul, Calculated before or after Sharpened?

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Noobslayer3255
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As the title states, I am wondering whether the 20% of armor that is ignored when using a 2Handed Maul is calculated before or after flat debuffs such as sharpened, major fracture etc?
  • Dagoth_Rac
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    There are two kinds of armor reductions. Personal armor piercing, which leaves mob armor the same but lets you and you alone ignore some of it. Sharpened and the passives on Mauls/Maces are like this. And mob armor debuffs, which reduce mob armor and allow everyone to hit mob a little harder. Things like Major/Minor Fracture, Night Mothers Gaze, Alkosh, Crusher Enchant, Sunderflame set, etc., debuff enemy armor.

    The formula is:
    ((Mob Base Armor - Mob Armor Debuffs) * (1 - percentage penetration)) - Flat Penetration

    In your example:
    ((Mob Base Armor - Major Fracture debuff) * (1 - 0.20)) - Sharpened penetration
  • kadar
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    Dagoth_Rac wrote: »
    There are two kinds of armor reductions. Personal armor piercing, which leaves mob armor the same but lets you and you alone ignore some of it. Sharpened and the passives on Mauls/Maces are like this. And mob armor debuffs, which reduce mob armor and allow everyone to hit mob a little harder. Things like Major/Minor Fracture, Night Mothers Gaze, Alkosh, Crusher Enchant, Sunderflame set, etc., debuff enemy armor.

    The formula is:
    ((Mob Base Armor - Mob Armor Debuffs) * (1 - percentage penetration)) - Flat Penetration

    In your example:
    ((Mob Base Armor - Major Fracture debuff) * (1 - 0.20)) - Sharpened penetration
    So... The 20% Armor penetration from the Maul is applied before Sharpened? Am I interpreting this correctly? :D
  • Noobslayer3255
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    The_Outsider wrote: »
    Dagoth_Rac wrote: »
    There are two kinds of armor reductions. Personal armor piercing, which leaves mob armor the same but lets you and you alone ignore some of it. Sharpened and the passives on Mauls/Maces are like this. And mob armor debuffs, which reduce mob armor and allow everyone to hit mob a little harder. Things like Major/Minor Fracture, Night Mothers Gaze, Alkosh, Crusher Enchant, Sunderflame set, etc., debuff enemy armor.

    The formula is:
    ((Mob Base Armor - Mob Armor Debuffs) * (1 - percentage penetration)) - Flat Penetration

    In your example:
    ((Mob Base Armor - Major Fracture debuff) * (1 - 0.20)) - Sharpened penetration
    So... The 20% Armor penetration from the Maul is applied before Sharpened? Am I interpreting this correctly? :D


    Yeah seems like based on what @Dagoth_Rac said that Maul penetration is subtracted from total armor - Major Fracture only. I wonder why Major Fracture is applied before the Maul's penetration is calculated, but Sharpened is not.

    So I assume same order applies for sets like Spriggan, Kra'gh, etc @Dagoth_Rac? Maul pen is always calculated after Major Fracture (actual debuff on the target) but before any personal penetration, like the aforementioned sets.
  • Dagoth_Rac
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    Noobslayer3255 wrote: »
    The_Outsider wrote: »
    Dagoth_Rac wrote: »
    There are two kinds of armor reductions. Personal armor piercing, which leaves mob armor the same but lets you and you alone ignore some of it. Sharpened and the passives on Mauls/Maces are like this. And mob armor debuffs, which reduce mob armor and allow everyone to hit mob a little harder. Things like Major/Minor Fracture, Night Mothers Gaze, Alkosh, Crusher Enchant, Sunderflame set, etc., debuff enemy armor.

    The formula is:
    ((Mob Base Armor - Mob Armor Debuffs) * (1 - percentage penetration)) - Flat Penetration

    In your example:
    ((Mob Base Armor - Major Fracture debuff) * (1 - 0.20)) - Sharpened penetration
    So... The 20% Armor penetration from the Maul is applied before Sharpened? Am I interpreting this correctly? :D


    Yeah seems like based on what @Dagoth_Rac said that Maul penetration is subtracted from total armor - Major Fracture only. I wonder why Major Fracture is applied before the Maul's penetration is calculated, but Sharpened is not.

    So I assume same order applies for sets like Spriggan, Kra'gh, etc @Dagoth_Rac? Maul pen is always calculated after Major Fracture (actual debuff on the target) but before any personal penetration, like the aforementioned sets.

    Yes. Spriggan's and Kragh are, like Sharpened, a flat "piercing" of armor that only applies to you. Those always come at end.

    Percentage reductions come in the middle. After enemy armor has been debuffed, but before flat penetration has been applied.
  • Noobslayer3255
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    Thank you, your responses have been incredibly helpful.
  • ssewallb14_ESO
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    If you're interested:

    http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pts-2-1-2-sorcerer-arithmagic/

    ^Almost every combat formula in the game.
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