Stam DK DW

Najjynn
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Hi folks,
I know that Wrecking Blow/Critical Charge 2h is the common weapon for stam dks in Cyrodiil; however, I was curious for those of you experienced DKs out there, as to whether dual wield can work. I know we don't have a charge, but I was curious as to your input. Any comments are greatly appreciated, thank you!
  • MarrazzMist
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    Steal tornado is extremely effective aoe ability, combined with defencive dragonknight abilities. I guess dw ability that reduces area of effect danage doesn't hurt either in Cyrodiil :)
  • Drakilian
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    Flurry+evil hunter is a nice combo you should be using. It'll be your main DPS in dungeons too, if you like running those.
    Just call me Drak
  • Ahzek
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    If you are a herp derp zergling you will want steel tornado.
    If you want single target DPS without uppercut you can go sword and board and low slash animation cancle. Just dont exploit the bloody buggy mess reverb bash is plz.
    Jo'Khaljor
  • Najjynn
    Najjynn
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    Thanks folks!
  • ryanborror
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    Using steel tornado is great for aoe. Using rapid strikes will get you killed in pvp. You could probably use flying blade for single target tho
    dooderrr
    templars, nightblades
    PC/XB1 NA
  • IcyDeadPeople
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    I have experimented a bit recently with DW+S/B and DW + 2H. Quick cloak is excellent for mobility and chasing sorcs, but it's challenging to make this work without 2 hander gap closer on the second bar.

    If you don't have vigor yet, 2H is probably mandatory for Rally.

    Tried various morphs of twin slashes and flurry, none seemed to work very well in PVP compared to Flying Blade (remember it provides brutality buff) and Steel Tornado.

    I miss Sparks + Ash Cloud!
  • Angus
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    NO WRECKING BLOW!

    Here's a rough template. There's a lot of room to customize this to your playstyle or to the situation.

    All feedback welcome. I'm no expert on stam builds, but have been messing around with this one for a few weeks after finally accepting my magicka DK isn't coming back.

    It's fun solo, small-scale, 1v2s etc. I'm sure plenty of others have already figured this out :) but here it is:



    Advantages:
    • NO WRECKING BLOW so you don't look like a loser after you win,
    • good balance of sustain, tanky, and DPS,
    • fun ranged evasion/regen/healing mixed with in-your-face interrupting DPS,
    • decent ranged option (biggest advantage over 2H),
    • excellent melee damage,
    • can win against wide variety of builds, has big bag of tricks,
    • non-negligible (1.5k-2k per tick in my crap gear) vigor heals for party.
    • cheap ults, and fast ult generation, for taking advantage of battle roar

    Weaknesses:
    • other than leap and s&b weaving, lacks spammable burst damage (compared to wrecking blow),
    • no burst heal, manage your health with big vigor ticks.




    Race: I'm dark elf (was magicka DK before), any stamina race should do fine. Magicka is your utility/defenseive pool in this build, so other magicka and/or health focused races can profit too.

    CPs: mighty, stam cost reduction.

    Food: magicka + stamina recovery.

    Weapons: dual wield, sword and shield

    Sets: 7 medium
    • Hundings Rage x5,
    • Morkuldin x4
    • Agility x3 w/physical damage enchants.

    Could swap two medium for
    • two heavy for more migation/blocking
    • two light if you're enjoying the DK class skills
    • one heavy and one light for the undaunted passiv

    I vastly prefer 7 medium for regen, cost reduction, crit, and dodging.

    I only have access to crafted gear (hate PvE), so there's better set options out there. Whatever you choose, focus weapon damage/stamina for DPS and self-heals. Stamina recovery is also useful.

    There's plenty of magicka w/regen food for 100% Reflective Scale uptime, and Igneous Shield when needed. Might struggle with this more if you're not a Dunmer.




    Careful if you move these skills around between bars, they are placed specifically for the passives.

    Bar 1: dual wield swords w/ disease or fire enchants

    1) Vigor +range to flying blade via assault passives, big ticks w/dual wield weapon damage boost,
    2) Whirling Blades AOE/execute/+20% stam regen/stealth-detection. If GDB gets fixed, that could fill this slot too. Swap for Steel Tornado if with group or don't need stamina regen.,
    3) Reflective Scale trump all ranged opponents, harass enemy DKs with this + flying blade.,
    4) Flying Blade +20% weapon damage, good snare, long range. Spam whenever opponent is too far away to melee. Snare/kill with this when they flee.,
    5) Shuffle dodge 20% incoming damage, remove snares,
    Ult: Flawless Dawnbreaker don't activate this - leave for passive wpn dmg.


    Bar 2: sword and shield w/ disease & stamina enchants

    1) Igneous Shield +30% healing on your vigor, eat damage when necessary,
    2) Heroic Slash or Ransack Heroic = more leaps, or Ransack = armor pen & better stamina management. Weave Light Attack + Heroic Slash + Bash for wrecking-blow-level dmg output plus interrupt,
    3) Invasion gap closer/hard CC,
    4) Unstable flame. Keep this up 100% of the time. Less useful on enemies w/dmg shields or nightblades. Still good for when they're worn out and/or stunned. Rending Slashes could be just as good or better here with the current meta of resistances.
    5) Reverbating bash stun & healing debuff,
    Ult: Take Flight execute, restore resources, do sleazy things with enemy keeps, get out of jail free card.



    Most fights look something like this, depending on terrain and opponent:

    1) Flying blade(s) for Major Brutality. Shut down ranged opponents with your wings.
    2) Invasion to gap close. Anyone intelligent will probably block its CC. So, you nail them with a Reverbating Bash when they drop their guard.
    3) Try to get Unstable Flame landed while they are stunned. Keep it up 100% of the time. Some opponents will make this more trouble than its worth due to shields and cloak. If so, CC them with Reverbating Bash then land it. If they're just too good at countering it, go to #4.
    4) Weave: light attack -> reverbating bash -> light attack -> heroic slash -> bash, repeat until they're dead or until you have to stop and heal. Weave Unstable Flame in here as needed.
    5) Leap for the kill, or to refill your resources and try again.

    * They lost stun immunity? Reverbating bash them again. Pressure is key.
    * Health getting low? Igneous shield -> vigor -> leap (if necessary).
    * They out of melee range? Flying blade every second to keep up pressure. Gap close when you can.
    * Low resources? Whirling blade and igneous shield for stam regen. Leap for all resources. Tripots recommended as well.
    * Did they stun you? Get up, Igneous Shield -> Vigor -> anim cancelled with dodge (if needed) into Invasion or Reverbating Bash to get the upper hand back.



    Play around with these, situationally:

    - Dark Talons control the battlespace, hold opponents in place for your group's bomb if you're not solo, debuff multiple enemies' damage, adds damage to DW skills.
    - Hardened/Volatile Armor adds armor & healing received, good for zergy situations,
    - Quick Cloak mobility and dmg reduction in zergy situations,
    - Steel Tornado if you don't need regen from whirling blades,
    - Fossilize or stonefist ranged interrupt especially if melee is impractical (you're on a keep wall) or you focus the machete-hurling aspect of this build, increases dual wield damage,
    - Blood craze more HoTs, if needed,
    - Could be interesting to spec into ult generation / ult cost reduction armor sets with heroic slash and vamp drain for more leaps.
    - Burning Breath + Heroic Slash swap nicely with Unstable Flame + Ransack, more leaps & burst/all-stat sustain vs. more steady upfront damage and stamina sustain.
    Edited by Angus on January 25, 2016 8:09PM
    Angus of Noquar franchise.
    And some others.
  • BlanketFort
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    Angus wrote: »
    NO WRECKING BLOW!

    Here's a rough template. There's a lot of room to customize this to your playstyle or to the situation.

    All feedback welcome. I'm no expert on stam builds, but have been messing around with this one for a few weeks after finally accepting my magicka DK isn't coming back.

    It's fun solo, small-scale, 1v2s etc. I'm sure plenty of others have already figured this out :) but here it is:



    Advantages:
    • NO WRECKING BLOW so you don't look like a loser after you win,
    • good balance of sustain, tanky, and DPS,
    • fun ranged evasion/regen/healing mixed with in-your-face interrupting DPS,
    • decent ranged option (biggest advantage over 2H),
    • excellent melee damage,
    • can win against wide variety of builds, has big bag of tricks,
    • non-negligible (1.5k-2k per tick in my crap gear) vigor heals for party.
    • cheap ults, and fast ult generation, for taking advantage of battle roar

    Weaknesses:
    • other than leap and s&b weaving, lacks spammable burst damage (compared to wrecking blow),
    • no burst heal, manage your health with big vigor ticks.




    Race: I'm dark elf (was magicka DK before), any stamina race should do fine. Magicka is your utility/defenseive pool in this build, so other magicka and/or health focused races can profit too.

    CPs: mighty, stam cost reduction.

    Food: magicka + stamina recovery.

    Weapons: dual wield, sword and shield

    Sets: 7 medium
    • Hundings Rage x5,
    • Morkuldin x4
    • Agility x3 w/physical damage enchants.

    Could swap two medium for
    • two heavy for more migation/blocking
    • two light if you're enjoying the DK class skills
    • one heavy and one light for the undaunted passiv

    I vastly prefer 7 medium for regen, cost reduction, crit, and dodging.

    I only have access to crafted gear (hate PvE), so there's better set options out there. Whatever you choose, focus weapon damage/stamina for DPS and self-heals. Stamina recovery is also useful.

    There's plenty of magicka w/regen food for 100% Reflective Scale uptime, and Igneous Shield when needed. Might struggle with this more if you're not a Dunmer.




    Careful if you move these skills around between bars, they are placed specifically for the passives.

    Bar 1: dual wield swords w/ disease or fire enchants

    1) Vigor +range to flying blade via assault passives, big ticks w/dual wield weapon damage boost,
    2) Whirling Blades AOE/execute/+20% stam regen/stealth-detection. If GDB gets fixed, that could fill this slot too. Swap for Steel Tornado if with group or don't need stamina regen.,
    3) Reflective Scale trump all ranged opponents, harass enemy DKs with this + flying blade.,
    4) Flying Blade +20% weapon damage, good snare, long range. Spam whenever opponent is too far away to melee. Snare/kill with this when they flee.,
    5) Shuffle dodge 20% incoming damage, remove snares,
    Ult: Flawless Dawnbreaker don't activate this - leave for passive wpn dmg.


    Bar 2: sword and shield w/ disease & stamina enchants

    1) Igneous Shield +30% healing on your vigor, eat damage when necessary,
    2) Heroic Slash or Ransack Heroic = more leaps, or Ransack = armor pen & better stamina management. Weave Light Attack + Heroic Slash + Bash for wrecking-blow-level dmg output plus interrupt,
    3) Invasion gap closer/hard CC,
    4) Unstable flame. Keep this up 100% of the time. Less useful on enemies w/dmg shields or nightblades. Still good for when they're worn out and/or stunned. Rending Slashes could be just as good or better here with the current meta of resistances.
    5) Reverbating bash stun & healing debuff,
    Ult: Take Flight execute, restore resources, do sleazy things with enemy keeps, get out of jail free card.



    Most fights look something like this, depending on terrain and opponent:

    1) Flying blade(s) for Major Brutality. Shut down ranged opponents with your wings.
    2) Invasion to gap close. Anyone intelligent will probably block its CC. So, you nail them with a Reverbating Bash when they drop their guard.
    3) Try to get Unstable Flame landed while they are stunned. Keep it up 100% of the time. Some opponents will make this more trouble than its worth due to shields and cloak. If so, CC them with Reverbating Bash then land it. If they're just too good at countering it, go to #4.
    4) Weave: light attack -> reverbating bash -> light attack -> heroic slash -> bash, repeat until they're dead or until you have to stop and heal. Weave Unstable Flame in here as needed.
    5) Leap for the kill, or to refill your resources and try again.

    * They lost stun immunity? Reverbating bash them again. Pressure is key.
    * Health getting low? Igneous shield -> vigor -> leap (if necessary).
    * They out of melee range? Flying blade every second to keep up pressure. Gap close when you can.
    * Low resources? Whirling blade and igneous shield for stam regen. Leap for all resources. Tripots recommended as well.
    * Did they stun you? Get up, Igneous Shield -> Vigor -> anim cancelled with dodge (if needed) into Invasion or Reverbating Bash to get the upper hand back.



    Play around with these, situationally:

    - Dark Talons control the battlespace, hold opponents in place for your group's bomb if you're not solo, debuff multiple enemies' damage, adds damage to DW skills.
    - Hardened/Volatile Armor adds armor & healing received, good for zergy situations,
    - Quick Cloak mobility and dmg reduction in zergy situations,
    - Steel Tornado if you don't need regen from whirling blades,
    - Fossilize or stonefist ranged interrupt especially if melee is impractical (you're on a keep wall) or you focus the machete-hurling aspect of this build, increases dual wield damage,
    - Blood craze more HoTs, if needed,
    - Could be interesting to spec into ult generation / ult cost reduction armor sets with heroic slash and vamp drain for more leaps.
    - Burning Breath + Heroic Slash swap nicely with Unstable Flame + Ransack, more leaps & burst/all-stat sustain vs. more steady upfront damage and stamina sustain.

    @Angus
    Hi, oh god I'm necroing an old post, BUT... I just wanted to say that this sounds like a lot of fun!
    I don't do PvP but have been thinking about running a Stamina DK wih DW Daggers and Sword and Board for PvE and your rotation sounds doable for my skills as a player xD
    I just recently (last night) switched to DW/Bow from DW/2H, haven't played much on it, yet, but the one dungeon run i did with it was "ok". But I do tend to want my toons slightly tanky as opposed to being purely DPS and squishy.
  • Aiphaton
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    I would run instead
    Sets: 7 medium

    Hundings Rage x5,
    Morkuldin x4
    Agility x3 w/physical damage enchants.

    You have prob. a nice Dmg but a lack of Sustain.
    Fighting 2-3 for your build could be really rough.
    Even with regen drinks, the sustain sounds pretty bad :/

    Im running atm:
    5x Black Rose
    5x Viper
    2x Bloodspawn/Pirate set
    1x Msa weapon

    Dw bar:
    Blood Craze
    Beasttrap
    Reflective Plate
    Igneous Shild
    Vigor

    As ultimate: Rend

    Twohand Bar
    Critrush
    Shuffle
    Wrecking Blow (yes good old Wb)
    Executioner
    Rally

    As ultimate: Dawnbreaker


    My stats are pretty fine with 3k Weapon Dmg on each bar, but still having nearly 2k regen in Heavy Armor.
    I ignore only healbots,cause they are annoying to fight.
    Against Sorcs Wings and the dot are really nice so they cant shildstack and have to go in the Defensive.

    Aswell the pirate set is really nice with vampire, your Dmg migitation is below 50% HP with a Proc of the set at around 63%.
    My is around 69% cause im a Nord, so you can basicly keep up the pressure cause the Dmg migitation.
    I tried it out against several Sorcs, actually you are able to outheal a soulstrike course Combo below 50% and go up to 100% HP after using igneous and vigor.


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