Maintenance for the week of April 6:
• PC/Mac: No maintenance – April 6
• PC/Mac: No maintenance – April 6
Thanks for the maintenance! (not sarcastic)
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They just launched One Tamriel. This is to be expected. If you can't handle the game with bugs don't complain when Zos actually does their jobs. I hope the Cyrodiil grouping gets fixed!
Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!
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Garwulf✭✭✭It would definitely be 'nice' that grouping is fixed in PVP but now that we have one V one me bro in PVE land it probably is not a high priority.
We can only hope the mainteneance is partly to fix this stupid bug that appeared when doors were removed on resource towers. May be there is a conection ...
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tat2mano✭✭✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »They just launched One Tamriel. This is to be expected. If you can't handle the game with bugs don't complain when Zos actually does their jobs. I hope the Cyrodiil grouping gets fixed!
3 hours down for a small grouping bug....1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »They just launched One Tamriel. This is to be expected. If you can't handle the game with bugs don't complain when Zos actually does their jobs. I hope the Cyrodiil grouping gets fixed!
3 hours down for a small grouping bug....
Maybe those servers are still running Windows 98 SE?"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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MarkusLiberty✭✭✭✭✭Isn't this maintenance mostly a fix for the logging issues?*Special Snowflake*0 -
tat2mano✭✭✭✭MarkusLiberty wrote: »Isn't this maintenance mostly a fix for the logging issues?
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/296577/hotfix-10-11-16-grouping-issue-in-cyrodiil
Here says where it is for.
Guess the missing Bosses in Craglorns Delves get a few more days vacation.
But thats ok,please fix this next week Planned maintenance,dont do another emergency maintenance for that this week.0 -
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✭✭If there's one thing guaranteed to wind people up it's the passive aggressive (and oh so superior) "Relax, it's only maintenance, nobody died" comments.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Relax, it's only Maintenance. It's not the end of the world
"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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tat2mano✭✭✭✭I_killed_Vivec wrote: »If there's one thing guaranteed to wind people up it's the passive aggressive (and oh so superior) "Relax, it's only maintenance, nobody died" comments.
Agreed,
alltho it doesnt really "wind me up",
i just dont see the "constructivness" of these white knights comments.2 -
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✭✭✭Anytime there is maintenance that extends beyond the duration that you think that it should, it simply means that Sheogorath has gotten loose, yet again, and they are trying to track him down and stuff him back in the game. Sometimes this takes longer than planned.Edited by Tabbycat on October 11, 2016 10:58AMFounder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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✭✭✭✭✭OP, you are pathetic.
Because? *feeds troll because boredom and am genuinely curious how trying to explain maintenance is good to people who might not know how MMO maintenance works*Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!0 -
Wolfenbelle✭✭✭✭✭2 days out of 7 is not "maintenance," it is incompetence. 2 days is 28.5% of the 7-day week. Think about all the products and services in life that, if you had to go without for nearly one third of a week, would be a downright disaster. Heat in the winter and air conditioning in the summer, for example, or water services, or food deliveries to your local stores.
Now, before you jump all over me and say that ESO is a game, not something that's life or death, of course you're right. But the fundamental point is the same. We are paying for a service that we are not receiving for a significant percentage of time. Why isn't there a test system and production system like with most organizations? Do ongoing maintenance on the test system and move updates to production when ready, seamlessly. Happens all the time. Many organizations cannot afford to have any systems downtime. But this one sticks its customers with a high percentage of downtime most weeks and people blindly accept it. Go figure.4 -
DYSEQTA✭✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »
Because you clearly lack an understanding of how maintenance on a server based service should be done and therefore naively praise incompetence.For the King!1 -
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✭Sheezabeast wrote: »
Because you clearly lack an understanding of how maintenance on a server based service should be done and therefore naively praise incompetence.
Agreed. It would be excusable if OP didnt play any MMOs before.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »
Because you clearly lack an understanding of how maintenance on a server based service should be done and therefore naively praise incompetence.
Still doesn't justify a "you're pathetic" comment"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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LaiTash✭✭✭I_killed_Vivec wrote: »
Good for you. We don't have any flowers here at this time of year. And it's a bit cold. Do not want to go outside.0 -
DYSEQTA✭✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »
Because you clearly lack an understanding of how maintenance on a server based service should be done and therefore naively praise incompetence.
Still doesn't justify a "you're pathetic" comment
Fair point. "Naive" would have been a more diplomatic choice but would have failed to communicate my frustration at seeing people defending things that are not worthy of defense.For the King!1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »
Because you clearly lack an understanding of how maintenance on a server based service should be done and therefore naively praise incompetence.
Whoah there's a whole lot of jumping to conclusions! Is it leg day? Just relax, I'm not offended by your rudeness, it speaks for itself. They just released One Tamriel and got new players as well as returning old players. They wanna protect their investment, and the money we pay them through subs and crown store, so of course they would maintenance a newly launched product
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✭✭✭✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »
Because you clearly lack an understanding of how maintenance on a server based service should be done and therefore naively praise incompetence.
Still doesn't justify a "you're pathetic" comment
Fair point. "Naive" would have been a more diplomatic choice but would have failed to communicate my frustration at seeing people defending things that are not worthy of defense.
Introducing yourself onto the forum with a post calling OP 'pathetic' was nSheezabeast wrote: »
Because you clearly lack an understanding of how maintenance on a server based service should be done and therefore naively praise incompetence.
Still doesn't justify a "you're pathetic" comment
Fair point. "Naive" would have been a more diplomatic choice but would have failed to communicate my frustration at seeing people defending things that are not worthy of defense.
Calling someone pathetic is not diplomatic and does not communicate anything but a rude comment with no substance. Just take a breath, i'm assuming you breathe?Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!0 -
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✭the reason there are more bugs on live then PTS is simple. more people, more strain on the server and more code mixups when the client sends information to the server. Those who think we are owed something because we pay 15 a month need to check them selves. go to a movie for 2 hours then come back and complain that 5 out of 7 days a week game play is a bad deal for 15 bucks compared to 30+ for a 2 hour movie. Most of those who are crying over maintenance have ZERO idea how a game server works, honestly it is not as simple as changing a few lines of code. there is a far greater depth to it all.Edited by jircris11 on October 11, 2016 11:26AMIGN: Ki'rah
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Moltyr✭✭✭Grouping is bugged in cyrodil? Sounds like an improvement. Will perhaps deter zerg meta.0 -
tat2mano✭✭✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »
Because you clearly lack an understanding of how maintenance on a server based service should be done and therefore naively praise incompetence.
Whoah there's a whole lot of jumping to conclusions! Is it leg day? Just relax, I'm not offended by your rudeness, it speaks for itself. They just released One Tamriel and got new players as well as returning old players. They wanna protect their investment, and the money we pay them through subs and crown store, so of course they would maintenance a newly launched product
Yep,
got 2 friends that didnt play for a while coming back yesterday,
they saw the maintenance today and he left again,
guess more will do the same when they see this "maintenance issue" is still here.0 -
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✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »They just launched One Tamriel. This is to be expected. If you can't handle the game with bugs don't complain when Zos actually does their jobs. I hope the Cyrodiil grouping gets fixed!
3 hours down for a small grouping bug....
I know... 3 hours for 1 fix for a small grouping bug... yet take a look at what people are posting in the bugs thread.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/categories/bug-reports
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✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »
Because you clearly lack an understanding of how maintenance on a server based service should be done and therefore naively praise incompetence.
Whoah there's a whole lot of jumping to conclusions! Is it leg day? Just relax, I'm not offended by your rudeness, it speaks for itself. They just released One Tamriel and got new players as well as returning old players. They wanna protect their investment, and the money we pay them through subs and crown store, so of course they would maintenance a newly launched product
Yes, they just release One T, and yes there should have been an influx of new players and returning old players.
But if they want to play on the EU server they fall at the first hurdle - the log in screen.
Given the importance of One T, and as you say the potential to grab the interest of new players, you might have thought that they'd reflect the importance of this release in the level of testing that they did. Unfortunately that was not the case.
To compound the problem, yesterday's maintenance was supposed to solve the EU log in problem, but it did not - further indication that they aren't even testing before release.
And now we have a new update, which doesn't even attempt to address the EU log in problem (despite being told that we'd hear about their latest solution last night).
This is not the right way to go about protecting their investment.2 -
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✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »They just launched One Tamriel. This is to be expected. If you can't handle the game with bugs don't complain when Zos actually does their jobs. I hope the Cyrodiil grouping gets fixed!
3 hours down for a small grouping bug....
Maybe those servers are still running Windows 98 SE?
or windows 10.
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✭✭✭✭✭Wolfenbelle wrote: »Now, before you jump all over me and say that ESO is a game, not something that's life or death, of course you're right. But the fundamental point is the same. We are paying for a service that we are not receiving for a significant percentage of time.
But it does make a huge difference. For at least two reasons :
- "Life or death" services are per definition needed by everyone. Those companies have a much wider customer base (thus lowering the costs/customer) than ZOS and a much larger "emergency team" than ZOS (that point being directly related to the previous one). ZOS has 250 employees (so says Wikipedia, however true that may be or still be ?) that is SMALL. That is extremely small as compared to the size of the game, the size of the playerbase, and the size of the investment related to development. If there's a rupture in electricity somewhere (in a "rich" country) you'll have dozens of people coming over to repair the service and being paid for that. That's because the electricity company has far more customers than ZOS and can afford to pay people for emergency availability. ZOS cannot afford that because they're small, relatively speaking.
- ESO is an "artistic" service. Because they're not "life or death" issues, videogame developers create, imagine new techniques, new coding, new stuff. They take risks. Because they can afford to fail - which a medical industry or an electricity industry oor a food industry CANNOT afford. That's why evolution and progress in the IT industry, and especially in videogames, is so quick and amazing. It's because companies can afford to try and fail.
So yeah ESO being "only a game" does make a difference. That being said, ZOS looks very sloppy lately, I must give you that.
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DYSEQTA✭✭✭the reason there are more bugs on live then PTS is simple. more people, more strain on the server and more code mixups when the client sends information to the server. Those who think we are owed something because we pay 15 a month need to check them selves. go to a movie for 2 hours then come back and complain that 5 out of 7 days a week game play is a bad deal for 15 bucks compared to 30+ for a 2 hour movie. Most of those who are crying over maintenance have ZERO idea how a game server works, honestly it is not as simple as changing a few lines of code. there is a far greater depth to it all.
Here's a very high level description of what ZOS should be doing. Feel free to dig deeper into continuous service techniques and zero-downtime deployments if this description is too lean for you, there is plenty of information out there. But please (trying not to be frustrated and therefore disagreeable) stop telling me that I should be paying subscription fees for a service I cannot use on a regular basis when solutions to this problem have been around for a long time. ZOS choosing not to better their practices, no doubt because "that would cost money", at my expense is not something to defend.For the King!1
