Some of the bosses are best with a tank. I like it. You could just do it on a Magicka Templar, heal, tank, DPS in one, piece of cake.

The final boss in veteren Wayrest Sewers l does exactly what you describe. No visual warning whatsoever, just instarekt!

Do you even dodge?

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

Pledge bosses that can one hit any character, regardless of spec, equipment, player skill, without warning with either a visual or audio cue, several times a fight.

Is this "a challenge improving the game" or "bad and lazy game design".

For me, it's bad game design. I would have the same chance of surviving these one hit wonder boss attacks if I was a naked level 15, with only a taunt skill, as I would as a fully end game equipped max champion level character. Effectively, any and all work put in to gathering items and skill are rendered pointless. In fact, it worse than pointless, a naked level 15 would have lower equipment repair costs and therefore has an advantage.

Would like to hear from both sides, as I can't for the life of me figure out how anyone can think this situation is fun, please explain.

I have done most of the new dungeons and i absolutely love that they are not just a joke like they used to be,
the game has changed and for the good.
Tanks must be tanky to be able to complete the content, DPS need that 18k health min, and healers need to heal...
Gone are the days of running dungeons with 3dps and a healer..

Yaay to that....

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Johngo0036 wrote: »

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

Pledge bosses that can one hit any character, regardless of spec, equipment, player skill, without warning with either a visual or audio cue, several times a fight.

Is this "a challenge improving the game" or "bad and lazy game design".

For me, it's bad game design. I would have the same chance of surviving these one hit wonder boss attacks if I was a naked level 15, with only a taunt skill, as I would as a fully end game equipped max champion level character. Effectively, any and all work put in to gathering items and skill are rendered pointless. In fact, it worse than pointless, a naked level 15 would have lower equipment repair costs and therefore has an advantage.

Would like to hear from both sides, as I can't for the life of me figure out how anyone can think this situation is fun, please explain.

I have done most of the new dungeons and i absolutely love that they are not just a joke like they used to be,
the game has changed and for the good.
Tanks must be tanky to be able to complete the content, DPS need that 18k health min, and healers need to heal...
Gone are the days of running dungeons with 3dps and a healer..

Yaay to that....

In order for us to help you share your stats with us so we can give you input into your build,

I'm in crafted 160 (Edit: 150 item sets, 160 rings) purple item sets, fully tank specced with cons. I'm being one hit for 80k by a skill I don't get any warning of, several times a fight. I can't dodge what I can't see, it's unblockable, it's aoe. My mitigation cannot go much higher, nor my health, and again I point out ... there are no cues for this happening of any kind, no visuals, no sounds, no timing clues.

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

I'm in crafted 160 (Edit: 150 item sets, 160 rings) purple item sets, fully tank specced with cons. I'm being one hit for 80k by a skill I don't get any warning of, several times a fight. I can't dodge what I can't see, it's unblockable, it's aoe. My mitigation cannot go much higher, nor my health, and again I point out ... there are no cues for this happening of any kind, no visuals, no sounds, no timing clues.

Sounds like a visual issue.. Stuff like that will most likely get a response with instructions to "clear"/"repair"/"whatever" your installation.

Have you done that already?

From what I've seen, the vet hard modes of the old normal dungeons tend to be tweaked rather severely.

Things I've seen final bosses do in the former normal dungeons:

• Wayrest: The boss teleports and hits a dps for ~10k... then a second later ONE bleed tick of ~10k goes off and kills the guy if he didn't immediately get healed to full first.
• Direfrost: Boss drains a player and regains ~116k health per second that the drain isn't broken free and ticks for about 8k dps. Also the boss basically ignores the tank.
• Selene: The bear attack one shotted a max CP DK tank blocking in full heavy armor footman's, capped resistances, and 32k health. Dodging appears to be the way to go here.
• Blessed Crucible: Lava blast lines hit for probably 30k... pretty much killed everyone since we didn't expect to get one shot.
• Spindle: The fear blast hits for ~20k. AoE hits hard but it pretty heavily telegraphed.

I can't decide whether I like the change. It feels pretty cheap to be blowing through a dungeon and then woops, group wiped. Didn't expect to die instantly. Okay now let's beat it.

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Uhm... I need examples of vet bosses who can 1 hit without warning (aside from vMA random/lag pawnzors) cos I havent seen any so far?

Maybe post patched changed something in some vet dungeon that I have yet to encounter... So far tho, I have not run into any mechanic that is an insta-1-hit with 0 warning. There are some cases of unavoidable damage that would kill a player if they are under 16k health but no one should be under 16k health tbh so that is a non-issue. Maybe someone who has encountered a random 1 hit can give us some examples?

Selene, end boss for selene's web. My health is about 30k fully buffed.

So what? You can simply move out of that attack. Don't even need to roll dodge.

Wollust wrote: »

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Uhm... I need examples of vet bosses who can 1 hit without warning (aside from vMA random/lag pawnzors) cos I havent seen any so far?

Maybe post patched changed something in some vet dungeon that I have yet to encounter... So far tho, I have not run into any mechanic that is an insta-1-hit with 0 warning. There are some cases of unavoidable damage that would kill a player if they are under 16k health but no one should be under 16k health tbh so that is a non-issue. Maybe someone who has encountered a random 1 hit can give us some examples?

Selene, end boss for selene's web. My health is about 30k fully buffed.

So what? You can simply move out of that attack. Don't even need to roll dodge.

If I had any clue of any kind that I needed to move, I would move.

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Do you even dodge?

Yes, if I get some form of cue that I need to dodge. The problem is, there is NO cue whatsoever, and the timing is inconsistent, and therefore impossible to reliable pre-empt.

Which bosses specifically? Selene's bear channel takes quite a long time, so does the attack of the Pelingare bosses in both versions of Wayrest Sewers. Dreugh boss in Fungal Grotto has a pretty well defined telegraph, and so do other bosses.

The hardest to avoid is IMO the crucible boss ground attack. That is harder to dodge because it hits in all directions so you need to move back a bit and move sideways to avoid the rays. It's not even the only such mechanic. It's exactly the same as Valkyn Skoria, and there it's actually much harder to avoid, because you have to stay on the platform. That one is one shot too and it's the main reason I've learned to hold him on the edge of the plaform drop that magma shell if I wanted no death run - got that pre-DB nerf, when the dungeon was about as hard as it is now. So the tank has to learn to put the bosses somewhere his attacks are easier to dodge for the others, and dodge himself if it's not blockable. Veteran dungeons have always had one shot mechanics which had to be learned. Nothing really special.

Cherryblossom wrote: »

Only one I've had is the Elden Hollow Dark Root, who was one shoting everyone for 26k with her light from heaven! But I think that was a bug at the time as I didn't get it last night!

As for last boss of Wayrest, it does a teleport followed by a spin attack, its the spin attack that kills if the DPS doesn't dodge roll or healer doesn't heal quick enough. I was dropping igneous shield directly after the teleport to save the DPS!

I'm yet to see an 1 shot on a tank they couldn't avoid or block.

It's a one shot mechanic if you're stood too close to another player. Spread out.

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Uhm... I need examples of vet bosses who can 1 hit without warning (aside from vMA random/lag pawnzors) cos I havent seen any so far?

Maybe post patched changed something in some vet dungeon that I have yet to encounter... So far tho, I have not run into any mechanic that is an insta-1-hit with 0 warning. There are some cases of unavoidable damage that would kill a player if they are under 16k health but no one should be under 16k health tbh so that is a non-issue. Maybe someone who has encountered a random 1 hit can give us some examples?

Selene, end boss for selene's web. My health is about 30k fully buffed.

So what? You can simply move out of that attack. Don't even need to roll dodge.

If I had any clue of any kind that I needed to move, I would move.

Selene's bear attack is clearly telegraphed with enough time to move out of the way.

Yep, Selene's green ghost bear is one shot kill regardless of how much health you have. The safest bet is to roll forward and get behind her, where you're sure it can't hit you. And the channel is pretty long, at least 2s from what I've seen. Only got killed on 1st run because I didn't know it was one shot. But on 2nd run farming the head with the same group we actually got the no death achievement because everybody had learned the mechanic. Really simple compared to the horrors in other veteran dungeons where the spiky spider sends you to the catacombs or impales you, or the argonian shaman curses you with a totem, a statue and an army of one shot adds at the same time.