Are templars the best?

xX_NachtJager_xx · October 2016

Are templars the best overall class in the game? From playing with a BUNCH of different people in trials, dungeons, etc. it seems that templars normally are the best players in the team. What are your thoughts?

Lava_Croft · October 2016

MagPlars are currently among the easiest to play classes that leave the most room for error. Hasn't always been like this and won't always stay like this.

DocFrost72 · October 2016

Depends on what you want to do. If you go by the "Meta" standard, Magplars make the "best" healers.

That said, MagDKs are the best magicka dps, sorcs the best ranged DPS, stam dk the best overall and stam DPS, DKs or NBs the best tanks.

Course, I hate the meta (and often dont feel it takes into account individual skill), so to answer your question: No, templars are not just "the best". IIRC the highest VMA score atm, for instance, is a magicka sorc.

elvenmad · October 2016

Any class can be the 'best' if the right player is behind them, everybody plays differently some prefer range casters, some melee, some tanks etc,

it is more about what fits your playstyle and what you enjoy, you will always get the best out of a class/character you enjoy.
I have always said to people in every game, play what YOU want and what YOU enjoy and make the best of it. there is no point playing something you do not like

idk · October 2016

@xX_NachtJager_xx

As someone pointed out, Templars are an easy class to play for dps and the most desirable class for healing trials.

However, for dps both with either magika or stamina melee provides the best dps though other classes can do better dps at melee range.

jrgray93 · October 2016

Magplars in PVP are very powerful but not in the way most people seem to think. Everyone who has seen a jesus beam in their kill recount gets mad at it but the fact is a solid player is going to have a hard time dying 1v1 vs a magplar because they're best when built for survival and executing. Most magplars gave up trying to do DPS because their attacks are slow and easily avoided, save for the almighty jesus beam.

Lava_Croft · October 2016

Try looking at videos by @Alcast for an idea about MagPlar PvE DPS.

SublimeSparo · October 2016

DK's are arguably the best all round class, - best tanks, highest dps, good healers
Nb's probably 2nd best all rounders, great tanks, good dps, good healers
Templars and Sorcs are average tanks, good dps templars obv best healers and sorcs are decent at it too

DocFrost72 · October 2016

SublimeSparo wrote: »

DK's are arguably the best all round class, - best tanks, highest dps, good healers
Nb's probably 2nd best all rounders, great tanks, good dps, good healers
Templars and Sorcs are average tanks, good dps templars obv best healers and sorcs are decent at it too

Look at this guy, he gets it. All classes are viable, you really do need to play to their strengths and shore off their weaknesses. And FYI, sorc off tanks in MoL HM have started seeing use for the backyard.

timidobserver · October 2016

Templar excels at healing. There are better options for DPS and tanking.

Publius_Scipio · October 2016

Templars are one of the absolute best classes for all aspects of ESO hands down. You'll have the tankiness, the heals, and the DPS all rolled into one.

Easy class to do both PvE and PvP.

ConeOfSilence · October 2016

Templar is great at solo play for the healing. Sure there are better classes at DPS but you don't need massive DPS as you can survive long enough, kind of like "slow and steady wins the race".

itehache · October 2016

elvenmad wrote: »

Any class can be the 'best' if the right player is behind them

This!

Minno · October 2016

SublimeSparo wrote: »

DK's are arguably the best all round class, - best tanks, highest dps, good healers
Nb's probably 2nd best all rounders, great tanks, good dps, good healers
Templars and Sorcs are average tanks, good dps templars obv best healers and sorcs are decent at it too

I don't do trials on my Templar. But I do some pledges as a tank:
- class shield deals dmg. Can be more health oriented tank with support abilities instead of the old "hold block" tanks. With bastion CP, I can boost the pvp shield ultimate and maintain a 10k class shield.
- more skills that reduce overall dmg available (rune, empowering sweeps, nova, healing ultimate)
- can slot sone healing if speced right.
- has to run dual S+b and at least one Aedric spear ability to gain15% overall block dmg mitigation (DK get an easy 20%).

I usually try to pull everything (including trash mobs for bosses). The more on me, the more my BS dishes out regularly, the more resources I get back from Heavy Armor and the more my Blood spawn procs. Only issue is my Magicka runs out while my stamina status at full lol.

SublimeSparo · October 2016

Minno wrote: »

SublimeSparo wrote: »

DK's are arguably the best all round class, - best tanks, highest dps, good healers
Nb's probably 2nd best all rounders, great tanks, good dps, good healers
Templars and Sorcs are average tanks, good dps templars obv best healers and sorcs are decent at it too

I don't do trials on my Templar. But I do some pledges as a tank:
- class shield deals dmg. Can be more health oriented tank with support abilities instead of the old "hold block" tanks. With bastion CP, I can boost the pvp shield ultimate and maintain a 10k class shield.
- more skills that reduce overall dmg available (rune, empowering sweeps, nova, healing ultimate)
- can slot sone healing if speced right.
- has to run dual S+b and at least one Aedric spear ability to gain15% overall block dmg mitigation (DK get an easy 20%).

I usually try to pull everything (including trash mobs for bosses). The more on me, the more my BS dishes out regularly, the more resources I get back from Heavy Armor and the more my Blood spawn procs. Only issue is my Magicka runs out while my stamina status at full lol.

I didn't say they couldn't tank.
I have a Blazing shield tank, it is very fun, however it is more niche than good all round especially in trials.
It's just that compared to a dk/nb tank they lack utility.
Put another way a dk tank can tank everything in this game with relative ease compared to the other classes.
Chains, Talons, battleroar, helping hands, magma shell, inhale, dragonfire scales, dragon blood, igneous shield.
I have tanked the axes in AA on dk and nb, dk is trivial compared to nb and i would not personally even like to attempt it on the other 2 classes as i think it would be a knightmare- more than likely possible but nowhere near as easy as dk and nb both if which can replenish stamina while blocking

Wing · October 2016

Templars are easy to do well with and hard to fail with. a great Templar is just as great as the best of the other classes, and the worst Templar is average compared to other classes, its just hard to do bad.

they have fantastic intrinsic healing, tankiness, sustain, and DPS. and can easily do multiple rolls at the same time as well as perform well in every facet of the game. they are good up close and at range, have great single target and AOE.

they also get 3 of there best skills right off the bat and don't require a specific weapon to perform any of the rolls because so much of there kit is solid and covers all the bases of healing, tanking, and damage. what weapon you pick is just icing on the cake.

Drdeath20 · October 2016

Best class is subjective.

Magplars in pve are awesome because punturing sweeps is their go to damage dealer and it also heals them. Magplars in pvp are great, maybe the best in groups because of their utility and ranged execute.

Trying to solo play a magplar in pvp is extremely frustrating. Just not enough dps. Magplars in dungeons are the defacto healer. Just not enough dps.

Mitoice · October 2016

Mag Templars are OP in PvP, especially in zergs, cause of jesus beam, i usually get 80k AP an hour just using this ability, LOL

nine9six · October 2016

TLDR: no.

Pallio · October 2016

I enjoy healing on my templar, solo dps is painful with low dps and walking soooo slow. Tanking is above average.

Minno · October 2016

SublimeSparo wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

SublimeSparo wrote: »

DK's are arguably the best all round class, - best tanks, highest dps, good healers
Nb's probably 2nd best all rounders, great tanks, good dps, good healers
Templars and Sorcs are average tanks, good dps templars obv best healers and sorcs are decent at it too

I don't do trials on my Templar. But I do some pledges as a tank:
- class shield deals dmg. Can be more health oriented tank with support abilities instead of the old "hold block" tanks. With bastion CP, I can boost the pvp shield ultimate and maintain a 10k class shield.
- more skills that reduce overall dmg available (rune, empowering sweeps, nova, healing ultimate)
- can slot sone healing if speced right.
- has to run dual S+b and at least one Aedric spear ability to gain15% overall block dmg mitigation (DK get an easy 20%).

I usually try to pull everything (including trash mobs for bosses). The more on me, the more my BS dishes out regularly, the more resources I get back from Heavy Armor and the more my Blood spawn procs. Only issue is my Magicka runs out while my stamina status at full lol.

I didn't say they couldn't tank.
I have a Blazing shield tank, it is very fun, however it is more niche than good all round especially in trials.
It's just that compared to a dk/nb tank they lack utility.
Put another way a dk tank can tank everything in this game with relative ease compared to the other classes.
Chains, Talons, battleroar, helping hands, magma shell, inhale, dragonfire scales, dragon blood, igneous shield.
I have tanked the axes in AA on dk and nb, dk is trivial compared to nb and i would not personally even like to attempt it on the other 2 classes as i think it would be a knightmare- more than likely possible but nowhere near as easy as dk and nb both if which can replenish stamina while blocking

That makes sense! Like I said I don't do trials, so I can't suggest the Templar can do them.

Flipside, Templars make fantastic PvP tanks. DK can certainly take a bit of dmg there, but some of their skills just don't perform when facing human players. Templars have skills that currently help Magicka players survive and fight against the stamina meta, despite them being clunky or limited. And alot of the current sets synergize better with Templars, especially the Heavy Armor passives in conjunction with our healing and other healing sources (malubeth, regen, etc.).

Overall I'd say other classes can do pve better, but right now nothing beats a Templar in pvp if you want a solo oriented playstyle.

elvenmad · October 2016

Mitoice wrote: »

Mag Templars are OP in PvP, especially in zergs, cause of jesus beam, i usually get 80k AP an hour just using this ability, LOL

Yes but imo thats the issue alot of people have with beam, you are just literally standing back out of everybody's reach and simply 'sniping' people in range, sorry but to me thats not fighting, you are not helping your group you are not contributing, just taking advantage of a skill that should not really work as it does in PVP situation

Skill in PVP comes from standing toe to toe with people and out thinking and out playing them, anyone can stand behind a wall of allies and pick random players off

Troneon · October 2016

Don't care what the best is but I have played my Templar main since beta and it is what I most enjoy because it is jack of all trades master of none, has crap tons of utility, feels like you can do a little of everything in solo and group play, like a swiss army knife of classes, has more than enough dps to do all content in the game as DD or Healer or both, can tank vet content rather well, not sure on trials, never come across a successful templar tank in trials yet...maybe one day...

It mainly comes down to the player and what you enjoy playing the most....you could go for the BIS with the best stats class etc etc etc but then you may find you hate the play style or how it feels...

All I know is Templar may not be the "best" but I can have fun and complete all content in the game including vet hard mode trials as dd/healer and switch between the two anytime I like with a few gear/skilll swaps plus tons of CC/Debuff and Utility for group.

Oh and Templars make the best PUG carriers in the game, you can literally carry any terrible lowbie players through any dungeon with some builds.

Minno · October 2016

elvenmad wrote: »

Mitoice wrote: »

Mag Templars are OP in PvP, especially in zergs, cause of jesus beam, i usually get 80k AP an hour just using this ability, LOL

Yes but imo thats the issue alot of people have with beam, you are just literally standing back out of everybody's reach and simply 'sniping' people in range, sorry but to me thats not fighting, you are not helping your group you are not contributing, just taking advantage of a skill that should not really work as it does in PVP situation

He actually does help the group:
"ACTIVATING A DAWN'S WRATH ABILITY

Grants Minor Sorcery to you and your group, increasing Spell Damage by 5% for 20 seconds."

elvenmad · October 2016

Minno wrote: »

elvenmad wrote: »

Mitoice wrote: »

Mag Templars are OP in PvP, especially in zergs, cause of jesus beam, i usually get 80k AP an hour just using this ability, LOL

Yes but imo thats the issue alot of people have with beam, you are just literally standing back out of everybody's reach and simply 'sniping' people in range, sorry but to me thats not fighting, you are not helping your group you are not contributing, just taking advantage of a skill that should not really work as it does in PVP situation

He actually does help the group:
"ACTIVATING A DAWN'S WRATH ABILITY

Grants Minor Sorcery to you and your group, increasing Spell Damage by 5% for 20 seconds."

yes to those in range IF he is in a group, but still Beam in PVP is stupidly broken and takes no skill to stand out of harms way and spam one ability and I'm not a Templar hater, I main one

Autolycus · October 2016

Obvious troll thread is obvious. The answer is no.

/thread

Oreyn_Bearclaw · October 2016

It is undisbuted that Templars are the best healers. The make very average tanks, and they have the worst stamina DPS of the classes.

As for mDPS, if I had to teach someone to pull 30k that had never played the game before, I would point them to magic Templar. Is has the easiest learning curve. At the extreme end of things, this class becomes much tougher to play as a DPS because resource management is very difficult, which takes a lot of skill, and good support.

In VMOL (the content people should build for in PVE IMO), they are either in first or second place for magic DPS. I think Sorc has potential for more DPS, but its a tighter rotation. mTemplar execute is ridiculous and these new fights have very long burn phases. Magic DK is good DPS, but its not on par with other melee options, and they are lousy at range. mDK does have the best AoE in the game IMO, and they are necessary for chains in VMOL. mNB is just a crappy version of sorc. They are certainly the worst DPS class currently in a trial setting.

Autolycus · October 2016

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

It is undisbuted that Templars are the best healers.

Oreyn... I'm disappointed in you for saying this. You almost always have something insightful and accurate to say. To see you make an absurd claim like this is disconcerting. You should know better.

xX_NachtJager_xx · October 2016

Autolycus wrote: »

Obvious troll thread is obvious. The answer is no.

/thread

Ummm, negative my friend. I posted a "discussion" and people are "discussing" my topic. I was considering creating a templat dps character and I wanted to see what everybody thinks about their abilities. No trolling here.

Autolycus · October 2016

xX_NachtJager_xx wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

Obvious troll thread is obvious. The answer is no.

/thread

Ummm, negative my friend. I posted a "discussion" and people are "discussing" my topic. I was considering creating a templat dps character and I wanted to see what everybody thinks about their abilities. No trolling here.

Then you should have asked about the viability of Templar dps, and asked for insight regarding the build and rotation.

"Are templars the best overall class in the game?" is obvious bait and is a surefire way to get nonconstructive and trolly feedback. Titles like these almost always result in baiting, flaming, derailing, etc.

If you are genuinely looking for that kind of insight, then I humbly apologize. But I stand behind my logic regardless.

xX_NachtJager_xx · October 2016

Well apparently you were the only one who thought so