Dueling INSIDE Rawlka bank, and other small, indoor public service facilities

LaiTash · October 2016

newtinmpls wrote: »

I also think that the Justice System should be called in to attack anyone dueling within city limits.

This will make dueling in towns nearly impossible. Guards are the "risk" part of risk/reward system. And there's no reward in dueling. There's also no reason to ban dueling in towns lorewise. You see it as a duel to the death, i see it as a friendly sparring. Banks, guildhalls (with the exception of training grounds), temples, NPCs homes etc - ok, no dueling here. On the streets, inside inns it should be allowed.

Buddheia · October 2016

Go to another bank if it annoys you that much?

DisgracefulMind · October 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

Vipstaakki wrote: »

Roleplay is fine.. Actually, i like seeing RP. But dueling, I find dueling abhorrent and i wish there was a way to turn these people off so i would not have to see them kill eachother and hear the sounds caused by their abilities.

lmao^

anitajoneb17_ESO · October 2016

Buddheia wrote: »

Go to another bank if it annoys you that much?

Why should WE go to another bank (there are not banks everywhere) when YOU can go to another duelling spot (which is, basically, everywhere else but in towns) ?

Horker · October 2016

Lets duel inside churches

SteveCampsOut · October 2016

Typhoios wrote: »

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

I don't understand how this stops you from using the bank or crafting it's just noise it can't pull you out of what you're doing.

You obviously have no idea what can cause an epileptic seizure then do you! Strobe Light Effects! That's what!

So do you not do dungeons or world bosses or anything? It gets way more strobe light, rave fest in PvE than it does for dueling. If you are prone to epileptic seizures, you shouldn't be playing this game.

Your concern for my health is touching.... NOT!

Phinix1 wrote: »
Maybe ZOS just didn't have time to put invisible bubbles around all the no-go dueling areas and opted to just get it out there first and refine it later. If they had said as much it wouldn't be an issue.

A lot of the needed scripting for this is actually really simple and could be automated.

Really, just something like:
if (IsPlayerIndoors() == false OR IdPlayerAtBar() == true) AND GetPlayerDistanceToCraftingStation > 30 yards then
     Allow Dueling
end
...even that simple check would improve things a lot.

OMG You expect the techs at ZOS to know how to actually program and not cut and paste code?

Kahsa · October 2016

As the original poster, I should add that I enjoy the dueling out in the streets and all over the land, as do I enjoy the colorful skill displays (especially at night).

However, indoors, and particularly in Rawlka (the bank is very small), it (IMO) disrupts reasonable gameplay in a space that, for some, requires particular focus. I realize one can go to more remote locations, and I do for crafting, but Rawlka is a special case as regards business and build activities.

Dear ZOS development team, simply imagine you are working at your desks on something a bit complex, and several people come duel over top of you. That should give you the general idea.

Best Regards,
K.

Vipstaakki · October 2016

Buddheia wrote: »

Go to another bank if it annoys you that much?

Since when did banks become places where you primarily duel? Banks are meant for organizing your inventory and doing banking stuff not dueling. It should be you who should find another place to duel.

Lava_Croft · October 2016

Your freedom ends where the freedom of someone else begins. Stop being a *** and don't duel in heavily populated areas.

It's not rocket science, just common sense.

Wollust · October 2016

Give it a week or two. The whole thing will calm down.

Silver_Strider · October 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Buddheia wrote: »

Go to another bank if it annoys you that much?

Why should WE go to another bank (there are not banks everywhere) when YOU can go to another duelling spot (which is, basically, everywhere else but in towns) ?

You could always buy the Banker NPC from the crown store.

CapnPhoton · October 2016

More wandering guards, and having them agro to duelers seems like it wouldn't be that hard to implement.

anitajoneb17_ESO · October 2016

Silver_Strider wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Buddheia wrote: »

Go to another bank if it annoys you that much?

Why should WE go to another bank (there are not banks everywhere) when YOU can go to another duelling spot (which is, basically, everywhere else but in towns) ?

You could always buy the Banker NPC from the crown store.

No, that one doesn't provide the necessary services a general banker does : guild banks and guild stores.

Try again.

CromulentForumID · October 2016

Jaronking wrote: »

Dueling doesn't stop you from crafting or using the bank or managing your inventory either you just don't like it so you want it removed.Having more than 10 people in a area could caused the NPC not to show up.Dueling doesn't stop you from doing a thing you just don't like it.

Actually, I never said how I feel about dueling. I am fine with it except in places where people are just trying to use a bank or crafting service. Dueling itself is a good addition I think. It could use some refinement, but otherwise if two people want to 1v1 to test powers, practice, or just measure e-peen, I am glad they have the option.

Dueling does have the potential to prevent or interrupt people from using bank and crafting services. Players could stand near or on top of the NPCs so you cannot click on them. You could end up with the people trying to watch the duels crowding the place. Spectators and powers could mean longer load times or even crashing. Are these always going to happen? No. Are they possible? Yes.

Is it possible for someone RPing to do any of those things? No.

Dueling in a building with services, especially a bank, is one of two things:
1. Griefing
2. Rude

There is absolutely no need to duel in these places, other than to bother people. You don't get dueling loot, so there is no need to be near a bank or crafting station to "save time." There is nothing special about being near that station as a spectator. The only thing dueling here accomplishes is it is the best place to have "LOOK AT ME" combat.

So, in summary:
1. Dueling = Good
2. Dueling Indoors = A good change of pace
3. Dueling Indoors in a building with services = Bad, should be prevented

Mortehl · October 2016

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Mortehl wrote: »

You shouldn't be able to drop the duel flag inside a building. That's the only restriction I support for the simple reason that the game has known issues with memory management inside enclosed spaces.

Then people shouldn't be able to tag mobs I kill so they get the exp/gold and I do all of the work.

@IndyWendieGo wow, what does your response remotely have to do with my post. I'm talking about not wanting duels in places that causes hardware related crashing...

SirCritical · October 2016

Khenarthi wrote: »

Does anyone know how many people one can put on ignore? I'm planning on doing an /ignore for all those I see disrupting the bank and crafting activities on purpose, so that hopefully we'll get put on different instances of the same area.

Does this really work?

anitajoneb17_ESO · October 2016

CromulentForumID wrote: »

Dueling in a building with services, especially a bank, is one of two things:
1. Griefing
2. Rude

There is absolutely no need to duel in these places, other than to bother people. You don't get dueling loot, so there is no need to be near a bank or crafting station to "save time." There is nothing special about being near that station as a spectator. The only thing dueling here accomplishes is it is the best place to have "LOOK AT ME" combat.

QFT.

theivorykitty · October 2016

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Don't care for PvE, role playing and what not, but seeing the dueling everywhere is quite jarring.

Agree. Especially inside of buildings. It makes it difficult to figure out what's going on and to enjoy the story sometimes when there's flames and lightening everywhere. It's sort of... weird.

Silver_Strider · October 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Buddheia wrote: »

Go to another bank if it annoys you that much?

Why should WE go to another bank (there are not banks everywhere) when YOU can go to another duelling spot (which is, basically, everywhere else but in towns) ?

You could always buy the Banker NPC from the crown store.

No, that one doesn't provide the necessary services a general banker does : guild banks and guild stores.

Try again.

I rarely use those services so I'm quiet content with the Banker NPC.
Also, how many times do you honestly need to use the Guild Trader and Bank to sort out your inventory, especially now that so many sets are BoP?

anitajoneb17_ESO · October 2016

Silver_Strider wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Buddheia wrote: »

Go to another bank if it annoys you that much?

Why should WE go to another bank (there are not banks everywhere) when YOU can go to another duelling spot (which is, basically, everywhere else but in towns) ?

You could always buy the Banker NPC from the crown store.

No, that one doesn't provide the necessary services a general banker does : guild banks and guild stores.

Try again.

I rarely use those services so I'm quiet content with the Banker NPC.
Also, how many times do you honestly need to use the Guild Trader and Bank to sort out your inventory, especially now that so many sets are BoP?

All the time. At least once / hour. When I go to town I need everything : personal bank, guild bank, guild store, crafting stations, NPC merchant and fence. I need all of those to get my inventory "clean" and go on.

Duellers on the other hand need NOTHING and can go everywhere else in Tamriel, except Cyrodiil. That's enough space to not have to come bother us in towns.

FleetwoodSmack · October 2016

Mortehl wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Mortehl wrote: »

You shouldn't be able to drop the duel flag inside a building. That's the only restriction I support for the simple reason that the game has known issues with memory management inside enclosed spaces.

Then people shouldn't be able to tag mobs I kill so they get the exp/gold and I do all of the work.

@IndyWendieGo wow, what does your response remotely have to do with my post. I'm talking about not wanting duels in places that causes hardware related crashing...

I run ESO on a potato, and aside from a confirmed bug from ZoS staff, I've not had ONE issue. Not one. So I really don't believe that whole 'hardware related crashing' thing. I also know people with subpar internet and they're also barely affected. We get more grief from people stealing our kills than duelists in cities. If you're running anything less than bare minimum, yeah. I can see you getting lag. But don't blame that on the duelists. Blame that on your hardware.

Dojohoda · October 2016

I like that players can duel anywhere. I'm hoping to see some good bar brawls.

Raubrey · October 2016

I'm old enough to remember Nixon's resignation (barely) and I think the dueling is quite fun to watch in the bank. I wish I were younger and more coordinated to take part.

It's a novel thing but it gave me reason to use emotes on my khajiit. It's nice there is more in the town now than people talking about their bosmer love interest.

The dead ragdolls littering Auridon is more jarring to me...

Anyhoo, this patch has its issues as all do, and while I appreciate other's opinions on this I do like that the game overall is much more vibrant. I thought about unsubbing for a bit, as I had the MMO blahs and instead went dungeoning (VR hard even) and World Boss killing (and also killing me) until my arthritis couldn't take it anymore,.. but I digress.

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Like in WoW when players would take out their biggest mounts and sit ontop mailboxes or quest NPCs....or during holiday events.

Much like Swotor and the big mounts that literally block you from access. I would consider that infringement, not this ...any more than zone chat.

SteveCampsOut · October 2016

SirCritical wrote: »

Khenarthi wrote: »

Does anyone know how many people one can put on ignore? I'm planning on doing an /ignore for all those I see disrupting the bank and crafting activities on purpose, so that hopefully we'll get put on different instances of the same area.

Does this really work?

No, and frankly I'm fed up with that being ZOS emailed response to player reports of magic spamming in a banking area! Ignore only works on text chat's and whispers. There is no way to turn off other people's magic effects in game. Now, if they would implement something like that, I'd be over the moon! Just now I logged into the bank in Mournhold, a tightly confined space, only to be inundated by dueling spam! Seriously? Take your epeen loving arse and move along!

JKith · October 2016

I had a boatload of fun dueling at EldenRoot,.. a little down by the stables... it was a non-populated area, no buildings, no vendors or any thru traffic... it was the perfect spot for "duel club" so to speak...

If I were to do it inside the building next to the alchemy lab... I would feel like i'm intruding/doing something obnoxious to others.

I really think there will be a patch for this eventually.

Quigster · October 2016

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Like in WoW when players would take out their biggest mounts and sit ontop mailboxes or quest NPCs....or during holiday events.

Well, unfortunately children will be children and there is no way I am aware of to regulate maturity. With that said, another vote here to move dueling outside of towns. Heck, for that matter, keep it inside the arena created for just that purpose. Creating an arena for dueling was an outstanding idea, then to allow dueling in the open world pretty much negated the concept of the arena. I've been through the arena a few times, every time it is nearly empty.

Mortehl · October 2016

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Mortehl wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Mortehl wrote: »

You shouldn't be able to drop the duel flag inside a building. That's the only restriction I support for the simple reason that the game has known issues with memory management inside enclosed spaces.

Then people shouldn't be able to tag mobs I kill so they get the exp/gold and I do all of the work.

@IndyWendieGo wow, what does your response remotely have to do with my post. I'm talking about not wanting duels in places that causes hardware related crashing...

I run ESO on a potato, and aside from a confirmed bug from ZoS staff, I've not had ONE issue. Not one. So I really don't believe that whole 'hardware related crashing' thing. I also know people with subpar internet and they're also barely affected. We get more grief from people stealing our kills than duelists in cities. If you're running anything less than bare minimum, yeah. I can see you getting lag. But don't blame that on the duelists. Blame that on your hardware.

@IndyWendieGo fair point. I didn't clarify that I play on super potato console hardware. I'm thinking about the impending nightmare that is October 18.

Sorry people drain your exp; that is frustrating as hell when leveling.

AuldWolf · October 2016

I'm sick of it too. I recently dropped money on a three month subscription for my partner and I, before One Tamriel arrived and ruined so much. If this isn't fixed by the time that's up, I doubt I'll stick around. I just can't handle it. I'm autistic and I like having the cities as a safe zone, seeing flashing lights and people jumping around everywhere is just obnoxious. Not only that, but it'll be a great way to ruin every RP event. All a troll has to do is go to teso-rp.com, check the calendar, and then troll every event with duelling. Why would they even do this?

And the thing is is that I don't even think all PvPers are like this. I think that an amount of them would have the good sense and common decency to take it out of a city. Unfortunately, you have obnoxious people acting like sociopaths who don't care what they're disrupting. Why enable sociopathy? The reasonable PvPers won't have a problem with removing duelling from cities, only the sociopaths who actually enjoy disrupting people will.

Today, just to test, I disabled my auto-decline to see how many duels I could get in a minute whilst crafting in Vulkhel Guard. 9. Despite the fact that I was clearly crafting, I had nine duel requests. That's not a pretty picture. And that just shows that duellers are interested in griefing and trolling people with this. It's going to ruin the game for anyone who enjoys immersion and/or roleplaying. And why is it that attacking/killing an NPC is a crime, stealing from an NPC is a crime, but engaging in a bloodsport which puts everyone around the duellers in danger isn't? This isn't the Wild West. It's civilisation. The guards should care about that.

The thing is is we could have duellers teleported to an instanced arena where they could be watched by NPC onlookers who'd cheer for them. But the obnoxious ones (the ones who duel in cities in the first place) don't want that. To them, duelling in cities is just a brand new, shiny way to troll and grief. It's already become tiresome and I'm feeling fed up of ESO.

This was a really bad decision, ZOS. Bad for people like myself, bad for roleplayers, bad for people who like immersion, and bad for people who don't want to be griefed/trolled. It's bad for everyone except for a very tiny minority of incredibly toxic people who get sociopathic enjoyment out of disrupting the gameplay of others. If enabling that kind of behaviour is what ESO is about, now, then ESO isn't a game I want to play. I can't be proud of a game that enables sociopathy.

YeOldeGamer · October 2016

AuldWolf wrote: »

I'm sick of it too. I recently dropped money on a three month subscription for my partner and I, before One Tamriel arrived and ruined so much. If this isn't fixed by the time that's up, I doubt I'll stick around. I just can't handle it. I'm autistic and I like having the cities as a safe zone, seeing flashing lights and people jumping around everywhere is just obnoxious. Not only that, but it'll be a great way to ruin every RP event. All a troll has to do is go to teso-rp.com, check the calendar, and then troll every event with duelling. Why would they even do this?

And the thing is is that I don't even think all PvPers are like this. I think that an amount of them would have the good sense and common decency to take it out of a city. Unfortunately, you have obnoxious people acting like sociopaths who don't care what they're disrupting. Why enable sociopathy? The reasonable PvPers won't have a problem with removing duelling from cities, only the sociopaths who actually enjoy disrupting people will.

Today, just to test, I disabled my auto-decline to see how many duels I could get in a minute whilst crafting in Vulkhel Guard. 9. Despite the fact that I was clearly crafting, I had nine duel requests. That's not a pretty picture. And that just shows that duellers are interested in griefing and trolling people with this. It's going to ruin the game for anyone who enjoys immersion and/or roleplaying. And why is it that attacking/killing an NPC is a crime, stealing from an NPC is a crime, but engaging in a bloodsport which puts everyone around the duellers in danger isn't? This isn't the Wild West. It's civilisation. The guards should care about that.

The thing is is we could have duellers teleported to an instanced arena where they could be watched by NPC onlookers who'd cheer for them. But the obnoxious ones (the ones who duel in cities in the first place) don't want that. To them, duelling in cities is just a brand new, shiny way to troll and grief. It's already become tiresome and I'm feeling fed up of ESO.

This was a really bad decision, ZOS. Bad for people like myself, bad for roleplayers, bad for people who like immersion, and bad for people who don't want to be griefed/trolled. It's bad for everyone except for a very tiny minority of incredibly toxic people who get sociopathic enjoyment out of disrupting the gameplay of others. If enabling that kind of behaviour is what ESO is about, now, then ESO isn't a game I want to play. I can't be proud of a game that enables sociopathy.

This exactly. If ZOS doesn't make the kids go outside and play, I wont be renewing my sub, easy. Console has enough fps issues as it is.

Integral1900 · October 2016

Aye men to that sir