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Devs get rid of the damage portion of Hurricane
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xblackroxe✭✭✭✭✭At least for implosion to execute someone with hurricane you have to be a little closer than 41m away from the target
I don't really care about implosion anyway tbh. The highest it has ever hit me was 4k. It's no more dangerous than viper's sting, and that has a 100% chance to proc every 4 seconds. So many times when I'm about to heal I get snuffed out because of a proc. It's a bit stupid.
So its no more op than an completely overperforming set? Well guess then everything is fine. Thx for the clarification.
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✭✭✭✭✭xblackroxe wrote: »At least for implosion to execute someone with hurricane you have to be a little closer than 41m away from the target
I don't really care about implosion anyway tbh. The highest it has ever hit me was 4k. It's no more dangerous than viper's sting, and that has a 100% chance to proc every 4 seconds. So many times when I'm about to heal I get snuffed out because of a proc. It's a bit stupid.
So its no more op than an completely overperforming set? Well guess then everything is fine. Thx for the clarification.
It's a 6% chance and tied to a class passive. It's not 100% chance and tied to a derpy set used by every Nightblade in conjunction with Velidreth.
Anyone who knows me is aware how much I campaigned for stam sorcs to get buffed. Of course I don't want to see their new toys get taken away after just receiving them. Besides that, I don't find them overwhelmingly OP.
Anyway, having said that, I really dislike chance based damage like implosion, viper, velidreth. Skoria is fine because you hear it coming then see it fall out of the sky. With the other sets I mentioned, assuming the attacker is up close, you just see your health disappear into nothing.
IF implosion was removed, they really need to change it into something else beneficial to stam sorcs. You can't just take something away and not put anything back from a class that was lackluster for such a long time.0 -
xblackroxe✭✭✭✭✭xblackroxe wrote: »At least for implosion to execute someone with hurricane you have to be a little closer than 41m away from the target
I don't really care about implosion anyway tbh. The highest it has ever hit me was 4k. It's no more dangerous than viper's sting, and that has a 100% chance to proc every 4 seconds. So many times when I'm about to heal I get snuffed out because of a proc. It's a bit stupid.
So its no more op than an completely overperforming set? Well guess then everything is fine. Thx for the clarification.
It's a 6% chance and tied to a class passive. It's not 100% chance and tied to a derpy set used by every Nightblade in conjunction with Velidreth.
Anyone who knows me is aware how much I campaigned for stam sorcs to get buffed. Of course I don't want to see their new toys get taken away after just receiving them. Besides that, I don't find them overwhelmingly OP.
Anyway, having said that, I really dislike chance based damage like implosion, viper, velidreth. Skoria is fine because you hear it coming then see it fall out of the sky. With the other sets I mentioned, assuming the attacker is up close, you just see your health disappear into nothing.
IF implosion was removed, they really need to change it into something else beneficial to stam sorcs. You can't just take something away and not put anything back from a class that was lackluster for such a long time.
Dont get me wrong i am also against the proposed change or removing implosion but something has to change. That a class gets a skill that renders another classes defining skill completely useless while dealing good damage and procing an undodgeable execute is just ridiculous. Combine that with critsurge (which i would argue trumps the major mending buff templar and dk get) and dark deal which can be spammed with no downside cause it doesn't cost until its completely executed and there is nothing else that uses up magicka for stam sorc just makes this class look plain stupid.
I get that stamsorc had nothing going for them for the longest time but that doesn't mean its fine to completely overbuff them.
I'd say some changes with dark deal have to be made like for example making it consume the magicka no matter if the ability actually went through. I don't really see a way to change hurricane with making it completely useless for either pve or pvp or even both.
EDIT: forgot to mention the viper part. I wasnt the one to compare those too that was just a sarcastic comment to you implying viper is fine with this sentence
Edited by xblackroxe on October 4, 2016 12:41PMMember of HODOR
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✭✭✭✭✭xblackroxe wrote: »xblackroxe wrote: »At least for implosion to execute someone with hurricane you have to be a little closer than 41m away from the target
I don't really care about implosion anyway tbh. The highest it has ever hit me was 4k. It's no more dangerous than viper's sting, and that has a 100% chance to proc every 4 seconds. So many times when I'm about to heal I get snuffed out because of a proc. It's a bit stupid.
So its no more op than an completely overperforming set? Well guess then everything is fine. Thx for the clarification.
It's a 6% chance and tied to a class passive. It's not 100% chance and tied to a derpy set used by every Nightblade in conjunction with Velidreth.
Anyone who knows me is aware how much I campaigned for stam sorcs to get buffed. Of course I don't want to see their new toys get taken away after just receiving them. Besides that, I don't find them overwhelmingly OP.
Anyway, having said that, I really dislike chance based damage like implosion, viper, velidreth. Skoria is fine because you hear it coming then see it fall out of the sky. With the other sets I mentioned, assuming the attacker is up close, you just see your health disappear into nothing.
IF implosion was removed, they really need to change it into something else beneficial to stam sorcs. You can't just take something away and not put anything back from a class that was lackluster for such a long time.
I'd say some changes with dark deal have to be made like for example making it consume the magicka no matter if the ability actually went through. I don't really see a way to change hurricane with making it completely useless for either pve or pvp or even both.
I'm ok with your dark deal change. Most good sorcs will CC you, or streak away before casting it anyway. If you don't, then you deserved to get bashed and lose the magicka cost. It's also extremely strong of a skill and should come with a downside.
Hurricane needs to stay. It's not overpowered in the slightest. There's no difference between hurricane and a stam dk hitting you with venomous claw, except claw will probably do more damage and sticks to you even if you get out of his range.
Implosion.. like I said, if they were to remove the damaging effect, it really needs to be replaced with something else useful. It doesn't hit me very hard so I never really saw the problem with it tbh.
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Zouni✭✭✭Funny thing is that the stam sorcs think they are good.Nyxtes - NB
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Publius_Scipio wrote: »There was a time when FENGRUSH was the only stam sorc in existence and he was a mighty warrior carving himself a name in the annals of time. He did it all without this current bag of tricks. Now the aedra (ZOS), gently in their hands cupped the mystic sands, and with a gentle puffy cheeks blow, spread these grains of sand sending new updates into mundus. And now everyone, their grandmother, and their pet goldfish is a stam sorc. Just ask the current king of the Meta Merry-Go-Round, Dubzog (since Sribes' brutal retirement at the hands of the aedra) and his assorted group of misfit buddies.
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Hi I'm thermidor. You forgot about this guy and much better stam sorc.Edited by ZOS_PeterT on October 5, 2016 1:20PMSmiff1 -
xblackroxe✭✭✭✭✭xblackroxe wrote: »xblackroxe wrote: »At least for implosion to execute someone with hurricane you have to be a little closer than 41m away from the target
I don't really care about implosion anyway tbh. The highest it has ever hit me was 4k. It's no more dangerous than viper's sting, and that has a 100% chance to proc every 4 seconds. So many times when I'm about to heal I get snuffed out because of a proc. It's a bit stupid.
So its no more op than an completely overperforming set? Well guess then everything is fine. Thx for the clarification.
It's a 6% chance and tied to a class passive. It's not 100% chance and tied to a derpy set used by every Nightblade in conjunction with Velidreth.
Anyone who knows me is aware how much I campaigned for stam sorcs to get buffed. Of course I don't want to see their new toys get taken away after just receiving them. Besides that, I don't find them overwhelmingly OP.
Anyway, having said that, I really dislike chance based damage like implosion, viper, velidreth. Skoria is fine because you hear it coming then see it fall out of the sky. With the other sets I mentioned, assuming the attacker is up close, you just see your health disappear into nothing.
IF implosion was removed, they really need to change it into something else beneficial to stam sorcs. You can't just take something away and not put anything back from a class that was lackluster for such a long time.
I'd say some changes with dark deal have to be made like for example making it consume the magicka no matter if the ability actually went through. I don't really see a way to change hurricane with making it completely useless for either pve or pvp or even both.
I'm ok with your dark deal change. Most good sorcs will CC you, or streak away before casting it anyway. If you don't, then you deserved to get bashed and lose the magicka cost. It's also extremely strong of a skill and should come with a downside.
Hurricane needs to stay. It's not overpowered in the slightest. There's no difference between hurricane and a stam dk hitting you with venomous claw, except claw will probably do more damage and sticks to you even if you get out of his range.
Implosion.. like I said, if they were to remove the damaging effect, it really needs to be replaced with something else useful. It doesn't hit me very hard so I never really saw the problem with it tbh.
Yeah idk hiw to change hurricane and not make it crap. Its just that i hate it so much that it makes cloak totally useless and that while this skill already is so broken. Yesterday i got a nb out of cloak with la puncture bash on my templar. Its getting pathetic.
I never said i have a problem with implosion im fine with that one.
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BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »I don't care abot it doing damage, i can out heal it with vigor. The only problem i have with hurricane is the huge radius and cloak becomes useless when you're fighting a stam sorc, imo it should not break cloak or break you out from stealth.
Your attacking at the wrong time try waiting till they recast it the circle drops to like a 5 meter radius imo it makes ganking stam sorcs just like ganking mag sorcs you have to wait for that perfect momentSmiff0 -
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✭✭Can we at least all agree that NBs make 90% of the nerf threads?You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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PrinceFabious✭✭✭✭✭joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »There was a time when FENGRUSH was the only stam sorc in existence and he was a mighty warrior carving himself a name in the annals of time. He did it all without this current bag of tricks. Now the aedra (ZOS), gently in their hands cupped the mystic sands, and with a gentle puffy cheeks blow, spread these grains of sand sending new updates into mundus. And now everyone, their grandmother, and their pet goldfish is a stam sorc. Just ask the current king of the Meta Merry-Go-Round, Dubzog (since Sribes' brutal retirement at the hands of the aedra) and his assorted group of misfit buddies.
Edit: I don't think FENGRUSH had sexual relations in Tamriel and created all these other stam sorcs.
Hi I'm thermidor. You forgot about this guy and much better stam sorc.
I actually beat Thermidor 1v1 lol. Anyways, why do you come talking *** when you actually payed ZERGBAD 25$ for ganking lessons and still suck at ganking.5 -
Hammy01✭✭✭✭✭As a magblade i have a very biased opinion of Hurricane but in the end i don't see any need to nerf it!
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✭The fact people are mentioning fasalla's as a counter in this thread is just... wow. Telling people to wear the most broken 1v1 set ever to counter something does not make a good case for that thing not being overpowered.
Personally I don't see a problem with hurricane at all. Only annoying thing about stam sorcs is that every fight vs them usually devolves into a catch-me-if-you-can around a nearby tree the moment they (inevitably) run out of resources and they desperately start spamming dark deal. Dark deal should be made easier to interrupt and be more punishing when it gets interrupted IMO. Force stam sorcs to put a little more sustain in their builds.Edited by Valencer on October 4, 2016 2:31PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I don't know why it never occurred to me to simply change my armor sets whenever I encounter a stam sorc in the field.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Personally I don't see a problem with hurricane at all. Only annoying thing about stam sorcs is that every fight vs them usually devolves into a catch-me-if-you-can around a nearby tree the moment they (inevitably) run out of resources and they desperately start spamming dark deal. Dark deal should be made easier to interrupt and be more punishing when it gets interrupted IMO. Force stam sorcs to put a little more sustain in their builds.
One of the strongest aspects to a stam sorc is the fact that their major ward/resolve buffs cost stamina, and they have a skill that replenishes stamina and a generous amount of health with one hand wave. Add supreme mobility on top of that and they can be super annoying.
When fighting stam sorcs, as their health gets low I generally feel the need to bash them between every attack to try and stop them from dark dealing. With all the glowy buffs they have it's hard to see when it's happening properly. However they will just run around a tree spamming it until they are brand new again with full stam and full health.0 -
PrinceFabious✭✭✭✭✭The fact people are mentioning fasalla's as a counter in this thread is just... wow. Telling people to wear the most broken 1v1 set ever to counter something does not make a good case for that thing not being overpowered.
Personally I don't see a problem with hurricane at all. Only annoying thing about stam sorcs is that every fight vs them usually devolves into a catch-me-if-you-can around a nearby tree the moment they (inevitably) run out of resources and they desperately start spamming dark deal. Dark deal should be made easier to interrupt and be more punishing when it gets interrupted IMO. Force stam sorcs to put a little more sustain in their builds.
A set that is extremely difficult to use in open world because of its complete lack of max stam or regen stats is broken? Oh, so thats why everyone is wearing blackrose because fasalla is broken LOL. Try to think do a little more critical thinking before attempting to contribute. Have you ever put of Fasalla and fought a NB, magicka sorc or stamplar? Lol. Fasallas is strong againts HURRICANE, that is why all the blackrose fotm builds are conplaining at the moment.1 -
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✭Fasalla's almost hard counters anything that relies on healing to survive incoming damage (and isnt a templar). Add major defile and it's pretty much a done deal.
A fight where youre unable to put pressure on someone who's putting pressure on you will be over pretty quickly. The set is b r o k e n in 1v1s.
This thread isnt about fasalla's though, is it?4 -
PrinceFabious wrote: »joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »There was a time when FENGRUSH was the only stam sorc in existence and he was a mighty warrior carving himself a name in the annals of time. He did it all without this current bag of tricks. Now the aedra (ZOS), gently in their hands cupped the mystic sands, and with a gentle puffy cheeks blow, spread these grains of sand sending new updates into mundus. And now everyone, their grandmother, and their pet goldfish is a stam sorc. Just ask the current king of the Meta Merry-Go-Round, Dubzog (since Sribes' brutal retirement at the hands of the aedra) and his assorted group of misfit buddies.
Edit: I don't think FENGRUSH had sexual relations in Tamriel and created all these other stam sorcs.
Hi I'm thermidor. You forgot about this guy and much better stam sorc.
I actually beat Thermidor 1v1 lol. Anyways, why do you come talking *** when you actually payed ZERGBAD 25$ for ganking lessons and still suck at ganking.
Sorry who are you?
Is this little dubby himself?Edited by joe.smith21b14_ESO on October 4, 2016 4:54PMSmiff2 -
Metemsycosis✭✭✭✭Hello- fasallas isn't the only set that procs or benefits when taking damage. Any that are useful will be stronger against a stamsorc using hurricaneTerethea Magdalena, Breton Nightblade
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Metemsycosis✭✭✭✭DblpstEdited by Metemsycosis on October 4, 2016 5:48PMTerethea Magdalena, Breton Nightblade
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✭✭✭✭Can we at least all agree that NBs should be the subject of 90% of the nerf threads?
Fixed that for you. Viper and Velidreth FTW!Metemsycosis wrote: »Hello- fasallas isn't the only set that procs or benefits when taking damage. Any that are useful will be stronger against a stamsorc using hurricane
But it also FEEDS heavy armor users free wrath.
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✭PrinceFabious wrote: »A set that is extremely difficult to use in open world because of its complete lack of max stam or regen stats is broken? Oh, .
hard to use because it dosn't have max stam or regen stats? You mean like alchemist, hunding's, reactive or many other sets that are widely used (and very effective) on PvP? lol Your argument could have a LITTLE BIT of sense if you were anything besides a stam sorc, that can sustain with 0 regen.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I know stam sorcs are strong ATM, but I be careful about nerfing them. They were a bad spec and already had a lackluster boundless storm morph that zero people used.
My main issue with hurricane is that it practically a passive execute proc waiting to happen because of Implosion. I dont care about the speed, damage, anti-stealth, resistance, etc., the implosion that comes from just standing near me is the only thing competing against Hurricane that I worry about,Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.2 -
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✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »I know stam sorcs are strong ATM, but I be careful about nerfing them. They were a bad spec and already had a lackluster boundless storm morph that zero people used.
My main issue with hurricane is that it practically a passive execute proc waiting to happen because of Implosion. I dont care about the speed, damage, anti-stealth, resistance, etc., the implosion that comes from just standing near me is the only thing competing against Hurricane that I worry about,
The thing about a 6% proc chance is the victims notice when it procs and the users notice all the times it doesn't proc. Just think about how often you are below 15% health and how often Hurricane hits you (once a second) while you're under 15% HP.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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✭✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »I know stam sorcs are strong ATM, but I be careful about nerfing them. They were a bad spec and already had a lackluster boundless storm morph that zero people used.
My main issue with hurricane is that it practically a passive execute proc waiting to happen because of Implosion. I dont care about the speed, damage, anti-stealth, resistance, etc., the implosion that comes from just standing near me is the only thing competing against Hurricane that I worry about,
The thing about a 6% proc chance is the victims notice when it procs and the users notice all the times it doesn't proc. Just think about how often you are below 15% health and how often Hurricane hits you (once a second) while you're under 15% HP.
I am cognizant of that phenomenon more than most. It doesn't change my mind regarding a passive execute. Especially since it procs on any physical damage done by the sorc such as caltrops.
Don't know why you are debating me though when the OP who wants to remove the damage entirely and a lot of people agree with him.Edited by Joy_Division on October 5, 2016 4:08AMMake Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.1 -
Tonturri✭✭✭✭✭Why not change Implosion to a higher proc chance and proportionally less damage? That way the stam sorc can pressure their opponent when siad opponent is under x% hp, but it's not a case of instantly dying.
More sustained damage and less random 'oh look you're dead would you lookit dat'.
It's a nice passive unique to the sorc class and I'd be sad to see it go.1 -
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✭#nerfexecutepassive2016This recent update has made me sad. Sad for the game. Sad for the community. Sad to pay whatever it is now. I want the previous eso back.0 -
Pathfinder✭✭✭Honestly, just make hurricane a static ground aoe that doesnt move with the sorc.Main
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Rohaus✭✭✭✭✭I recently leveled a Stam Sorc mostly because I was sick and tired of playing on my DK of which I had no real way to escape if outnumbered. Playing a Stam DK since the beginning of ESO, I do miss the healing buffs from Igneous and Volatile Armor. However, in the end, if outnumbered, generally it did not matter. Mobility is superior if you are good enough to use it and know your surroundings and effectively use said surroundings.
Open field PvP is brutal on a Stam Sorc due to the amount of Bow users… The second you realize you are under attack from a bow user, you have to get out quick like… those lethal arrows crush a Stam Sorc. It is because of bow users that I wish Bone Shield scaled off of Stamina instead of health… if only ZOS had stuck with that change.- IC and other close counter areas are where a Stam Sorc can really shine.
- Stam Sorc brings so much greatness to group PvP. Awesome AoE damage, Negate!! Did I mention NEGATE??
- Mobility is what a Stam Sorc requires in order to make up for the lack of healing buffs.
- If you play as a Medium armor build Stam Sorc, it requires twitch style play… you have to be quick! Just watch Fengrush and you will see why they need burst damage… stay in the mix too long, insta-gibbed!
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