What Is the Point of PVP?

Ch4mpTW · October 2016

Now before people go wondering why I put this in this section, rather than the PVP section — it's because I feel this to be a rather general question of sorts and topic. I'll explain.

PVP in any game is often as it's said. PVP. Player versus player. Now, in a game like ESO PVP is there as a means of alliance against alliance (or supposed to be). But in the end, AP farming is what truly matters. As well as emperorship trading. So what purpose does it serve in this game?

Dueling comes along with One Tamriel, and will cut down on Cyrodiil population (I'm assuming and guessing). And as is, PVP in its current state is a joke. You have: Broken skills, heavy unbalance, lag, bugs, exploits, macro-users, cheat engine users, etc. Throw all of that together, with the fact that you have load screens right and left and a vast majority of time spent on your mount and chasing your enemies to and from keep to keep.

So why do we do it? I'm sure some people find what I listed above as fun. Some people may PVP for the skills you unlock to utilize in PVE (e.g. Vigor, Magicka Detonation, Caltrops, etc.). But in the end, if PVP was removed... Would it even matter? What exactly is lost if you do lose in a PVP campaign? Nothing. Lol. What type of loot do you get? Subpar compared to PVE loot. What rewards are applied for killing your fellow enemy player? Some mail with junk. A tad bit of gold (200ish). A soul gem. And alliance points. Lol. Bruh.

What is the point? What is the point of PVP in ESO? There will forever be unbalance due to the core of the game itself. The classes themselves make things unbalanced. Throw in the blatant stamina overpowered magicka, and things get further out of whack. Unless if you're a Templar, and spam Radiant Destruction and constantly heal yourself when damn near dead to full health. I don't get it. Oh, and also let's talk about how battles in Cyrodiil are often won. And you know what that's about. Whoever has the biggest group wins. Whoever has the most populated alliance wins. So, how is it even remotely enjoyable?

And before someone says I'm whining, no. Lol. I just want to know the point behind PVP. Why is it even in ESO? For what reason?

Cazic · October 2016

So that we can play versus other players. You know, player versus player? That's all the pont really needs to be.

Grunim · October 2016

What is the point of sipping a fine glass of port on a chilly wintry night? What is the point? What is the point?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartle_taxonomy_of_player_types

raasdal · October 2016

What is the point of PvE?

I play PvP because it is fun to 1vX or do Smallscale grouping. At the end of the day, all PvP in any game is about your selfesteem, by beating other players. PvE does not give me near the same satisfaction.

Luigi_Vampa · October 2016

We get it, you don't like PvP. Why do you keep making threads about it? What is the point?

Majic · October 2016

The point is that there is no point.

Rohamad_Ali · October 2016

Is this is a nerf Templar thread ?

Ch4mpTW · October 2016

So from the replies I have gotten thus far, the whole point of PVP is about an ego boost of sorts. All the while the actual point of it missing, and it being a means of in a sense boosting your self-esteem by killing other players. Even though there is in fact blatant balance flaws (that unsurprisingly no one mentioned), and the rewards behind it (loot-wise) being garbage. Got it. I understand.

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raasdal wrote: »

What is the point of PvE?

I play PvP because it is fun to 1vX or do Smallscale grouping. At the end of the day, all PvP in any game is about your selfesteem, by beating other players. PvE does not give me near the same satisfaction.

The point of PVE are numerous. Lore, loot, challenges (whether it be time oriented or otherwise), mechanics comprehension testing in both application of said mechanics knowledge and learning said mechanics, storytelling enjoyment, immersion indulgence of the atmosphere/environment, etc. In fact, those are the reasons why I even bother with the Elder Scrolls franchise to begin with. >_>

mobicera · October 2016

What's the point of video games in general?
Entertainment value and distraction.
People play what they like, what they enjoy and what provides distraction.
Personally I would not want the removal of pvp as the outcome would most likely result in a population decline, ergo making it harder for people to find groups.
Yes I am sure there are those that solely pvp as there is those that solely PvE, most I am sure dabble in both.
Lower populations in an MMO will not lead to a positive growth or sustainable development, where server costs, human wages etc. exist.

Thelon · October 2016

why is my forum pic a sunshine?

Ch4mpTW · October 2016

Thelon wrote: »

why is my forum pic a sunshine?

Because, the sun is as beautiful as it is purposeful and mysterious. That is why. Lol.

anitajoneb17_ESO · October 2016

You put the "bruh" quite far down your post, which allowed me to read quite a bit of it (I stop reading after "bruh" or "dude").

I don't know what your conclusion was, but I assume from the title that the question "what's the point of PvP" is still open.

The answer is "to socialize".

A single-player game has a beginning and an end, with some story of story, progression and development. Even with "neverending games" such as Skyrim, we eventually reach an end, because "we've seen it all".

ESO is neverending. We run the same dungeons we've already run a zillion time, we capture the same keeps which we've captured a zillion times, knowing that the instance will be reset as soon as we walk out, or that the map will be painted in another colour the next morning. In any single player game, we would call it a game and move on.

Why do we carry on ? In my opinion, because it's the canvas of communication we've woven with the people we met, got to know and eventually to like. We got to know each other because we liked the same game, we end up playing that game over and over because we like each other. That's, in my opinion, is valid for any game that you play with other people : card games, board games, video games, pvp, pve, etc...

susmitds · October 2016

What is the point of playing ESO?
What is the point of life?
What is the point of this post?

shadowwraith666 · October 2016

There is no point in terms of storyline or lore considering there won't be a proper emperor on the imperial throne till Tiber Septim 400yrs after the 3 banners war started.

The vestige's role is centred around Molag Bal the Coldharbour invasion and not the war.

Ch4mpTW · October 2016

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Is this is a nerf Templar thread ?

@Rohamad_Ali No. I like both of my templars' current performance in PVE, and would be saddened if they were nerfed due to their performance in PVP. And since we both know that ZOS has a bad thing with hurting PVE when they make changes due to PVP, I'd like to avoid another situation like what happened to magicka-based sorcerers and or dragonknights by all means possible. #LeaveRadiantAlone2016

Roechacca · October 2016

The point has always been to

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And L2P.

idk · October 2016

@Ch4mpTW

The same reason for any PvP in any game. Besides it being something to do, those that participate in PvP regularly enjoy that aspect of the game. Though some do PvP only to get the skills for use in PvE, this is a small minority of those in Cyrodiil.

While you boiled down your thoughts in a specific manner which does not truly encompass all of PvP in Cyrodiil or IC, the answer is as simple as what I listed above.

Ch4mpTW · October 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@Ch4mpTW

The same reason for any PvP in any game. Besides it being something to do, those that participate in PvP regularly enjoy that aspect of the game. Though some do PvP only to get the skills for use in PvE, this is a small minority of those in Cyrodiil.

While you boiled down your thoughts in a specific manner which does not truly encompass all of PvP in Cyrodiil or IC, the answer is as simple as what I listed above.

Pretty valid explaination and point(s) made. I can respect that.

Rohamad_Ali · October 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Is this is a nerf Templar thread ?

@Rohamad_Ali No. I like both of my templars' current performance in PVE, and would be saddened if they were nerfed due to their performance in PVP. And since we both know that ZOS has a bad thing with hurting PVE when they make changes due to PVP, I'd like to avoid another situation like what happened to magicka-based sorcerers and or dragonknights by all means possible. #LeaveRadiantAlone2016

Then I guess the point of PvP for me is to learn new ways to win with my class . A lot of people said Magblade was terribad when I started this out and now I am winning against more and more people , fine tuning as I go . In PvP there is no I win guarantee and that is why I like it above PvE . PvE gets predictable while PvP remains fluid as new people come up with new ideas . That is the point of PvP to me .

Smasherx74 · October 2016

Cazic wrote: »

So that we can play versus other players. You know, player versus player? That's all the pont really needs to be.

If that's the case how about you pick up a chess board and play some old people in the park.

That's better PVP than this anyways, at least you don't need to buy a new CPU just to play the damn thing.

Ch4mpTW · October 2016

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Is this is a nerf Templar thread ?

@Rohamad_Ali No. I like both of my templars' current performance in PVE, and would be saddened if they were nerfed due to their performance in PVP. And since we both know that ZOS has a bad thing with hurting PVE when they make changes due to PVP, I'd like to avoid another situation like what happened to magicka-based sorcerers and or dragonknights by all means possible. #LeaveRadiantAlone2016

Then I guess the point of PvP for me is to learn new ways to win with my class . A lot of people said Magblade was terribad when I started this out and now I am winning against more and more people , fine tuning as I go . In PvP there is no I win guarantee and that is why I like it above PvE . PvE gets predictable while PvP remains fluid as new people come up with new ideas . That is the point of PvP to me .

Pretty insightful stuff. However, I suppose it (PvP) has lost its appeal and overall shine to me. Not just the core of it, but also what it's become. I used to love it, and nowadays I can't even spend a hour within Cyrodiil, without feeling as though I'm wasting my: Energy, thoughts, and time within it. I suppose it's a case of "different strokes for different folks".

STEVIL · October 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Now before people go wondering why I put this in this section, rather than the PVP section — it's because I feel this to be a rather general question of sorts and topic. I'll explain.

PVP in any game is often as it's said. PVP. Player versus player. Now, in a game like ESO PVP is there as a means of alliance against alliance (or supposed to be). But in the end, AP farming is what truly matters. As well as emperorship trading. So what purpose does it serve in this game?

Dueling comes along with One Tamriel, and will cut down on Cyrodiil population (I'm assuming and guessing). And as is, PVP in its current state is a joke. You have: Broken skills, heavy unbalance, lag, bugs, exploits, macro-users, cheat engine users, etc. Throw all of that together, with the fact that you have load screens right and left and a vast majority of time spent on your mount and chasing your enemies to and from keep to keep.

So why do we do it? I'm sure some people find what I listed above as fun. Some people may PVP for the skills you unlock to utilize in PVE (e.g. Vigor, Magicka Detonation, Caltrops, etc.). But in the end, if PVP was removed... Would it even matter? What exactly is lost if you do lose in a PVP campaign? Nothing. Lol. What type of loot do you get? Subpar compared to PVE loot. What rewards are applied for killing your fellow enemy player? Some mail with junk. A tad bit of gold (200ish). A soul gem. And alliance points. Lol. Bruh.

What is the point? What is the point of PVP in ESO? There will forever be unbalance due to the core of the game itself. The classes themselves make things unbalanced. Throw in the blatant stamina overpowered magicka, and things get further out of whack. Unless if you're a Templar, and spam Radiant Destruction and constantly heal yourself when damn near dead to full health. I don't get it. Oh, and also let's talk about how battles in Cyrodiil are often won. And you know what that's about. Whoever has the biggest group wins. Whoever has the most populated alliance wins. So, how is it even remotely enjoyable?

And before someone says I'm whining, no. Lol. I just want to know the point behind PVP. Why is it even in ESO? For what reason?

the point is some people find it enjoyable and when they get together with like minded people for that play they can have fun.

there doesn't need to be any more meaning than that.

Danikat · October 2016

As other people said what's the point of any game? Why bother playing tennis with friends if there's no prize and you just have a rematch the next week?

Because it's fun. To me that makes a lot more sense than playing for the rewards. In-game rewards are meaningless except as a tool. As soon as you turn the game off they count for nothing. Your enjoyment and the memories you have of playing, and the friends you make are what lasts.

Dredlord · October 2016

Some people like to socialize, play and compete in a predictable environment...pve.

Some people seeking a greater challenge like to do those things in an unpredictable environment...pvp.

Rohamad_Ali · October 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Is this is a nerf Templar thread ?

@Rohamad_Ali No. I like both of my templars' current performance in PVE, and would be saddened if they were nerfed due to their performance in PVP. And since we both know that ZOS has a bad thing with hurting PVE when they make changes due to PVP, I'd like to avoid another situation like what happened to magicka-based sorcerers and or dragonknights by all means possible. #LeaveRadiantAlone2016

Then I guess the point of PvP for me is to learn new ways to win with my class . A lot of people said Magblade was terribad when I started this out and now I am winning against more and more people , fine tuning as I go . In PvP there is no I win guarantee and that is why I like it above PvE . PvE gets predictable while PvP remains fluid as new people come up with new ideas . That is the point of PvP to me .

Pretty insightful stuff. However, I suppose it (PvP) has lost its appeal and overall shine to me. Not just the core of it, but also what it's become. I used to love it, and nowadays I can't even spend a hour within Cyrodiil, without feeling as though I'm wasting my: Energy, thoughts, and time within it. I suppose it's a case of "different strokes for different folks".

Being in a good PvP guild helps . I've seen MagDK PvP raid leaders that are almost unstoppable when grouped with the right people .

Knootewoot · October 2016

The point is like any multiplayer game (ie. Battlefield series or COD if you are into that or my favorite, mount and Blade, Warband)

That's the point. Fun. 2 or 3 teams against each other taking control points. It's just fun.

What's the point of PvE? Recently i found out doing dungeons is fun.

That's the point for me for every game: Fun.

If I don't have fun I don't play it.

alexkdd99 · October 2016

What is the point in so many people using the word "bruh" so much lately.

I think you got aggravated with eso pvp for whatever reason so decided to make a thread.

The point of pvp is the same in EVERY game. To battle other players. There does not need to be another point. That is why people play pvp, to fight other players. You stated what pvp means so you know the POINT of pvp.

Ch4mpTW · October 2016

alexkdd99 wrote: »

What is the point in so many people using the word "bruh" so much lately.

I think you got aggravated with eso pvp for whatever reason so decided to make a thread.

The point of pvp is the same in EVERY game. To battle other players. There does not need to be another point. That is why people play pvp, to fight other players. You stated what pvp means so you know the POINT of pvp.

I genuinely have no clue why others say, "Bruh." I say it out of habit, as well as because I find the word in itself to be amusing. It also sounds funny to me when said.

As for why I made this thread, it had to due with a conversation I was having some people last night that really had me thinking about the purpose of PvP in an Elder Scrolls game. And to be honest, I could not find out what purpose it served. Granted as is I already had a strong disliking for PvP in the game, but wanted to look at the cause or core reason behind my dislike. I wanted to know the purpose of PvP, to see whether or not my disliking for it seemed logical (in my option). Which then came to be very much so logical.

Caligamy_ESO · October 2016

Roechacca wrote: »

The point has always been to

And L2P.

This is pretty much my reaction to RL spiders

wenchmore420b14_ESO · October 2016

Well, here are my two septims about PvP.
At launch, (PC), I was a TOTAL MMO noob. Didn't even know how to talk in chat or do e-motes. So I take my little 25ish toon to Wabbajack. LMAO... Had no idea what I was doing and even was used as "bait" by other players. I would still PvP occasionally, when bored or a guildie asked me to. Then I played IC on PTS and thought, damn! I need Caltrops for this DLC. So off to Cyrodiil I go just to farm AP so I can unlock caltrops.
Then I found a awesome PvP guild. The GM has military training. Whether we had 10 ppl, or had 2 groups of 24 ppl, he would have tactics, strategies, etc. It wasn't just zerging all over the place. It opened up a whole new appreciation to PvP for me. It became immersive, fun and finally I felt I had a purpose for being there.
Yes, PvP has some issues as you mentioned, but so does the whole game. For me, the purpose of PvP is it has become extremely fun! I look forward to our mandatory PvP nights more than I look forward to anything else in PvE. To look at the map after 4, 5, 6 hours of playing, and see the map mostly all my alliance colour and know I (we) was key in making that happen is a great feeling. (More than killing Molag Bal since they nerfed him sooooo bad...lol).
I am still a PvE'r at heart and thats what i do mostly, but I love my PvP nights. For me, there is a satisfying point to Cyrodiil.
Huzzah!!!

blabafat · October 2016

Pvp appeals to some. Pve appeals to some.