Devs get rid of the damage portion of Hurricane

Cathexis · October 2016

I love how a random low proc % has people wetting their pants meanwhile there are power healing templars with double the hp who can reflect back thousands of damage and hey thats AOK.

You know what everybody tells me when I try to call out imbalance on these forums? L2P. Maybe that advice should start applying to other people when they fight stam sorcs just like everybody else.

Cathexis · October 2016

Lord_Hev wrote: »

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

I mean hey, if people can't whine about Mag Sorc anymore might as well whine about Stam Sorc.

The issue here is more the Magicka/stamina divide more than anything with Stam Sorc.

No, it's stam sorc.

Magic sorc got overly punished for mobility, all the while just giving it all back to Stam sorc. Completely ridiculous.

@Lord_Hev I agree with you about mag sorc mobility. Its a shame and a waste of a great and fun class design because a few people couldnt handle losing a target. If I had it my way I would see bolt restored to its former glory.

Lord_Hev · October 2016

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Cathexis wrote: »

I love how a random low proc % has people wetting their pants meanwhile there are power healing templars with double the hp who can reflect back thousands of damage and hey thats AOK.

You know what everybody tells me when I try to call out imbalance on these forums? L2P. Maybe that advice should start applying to other people when they fight stam sorcs just like everybody else.

It's a low %proc that double-dips into -everything- a stam sorc does damage wise. Vs. A Magic sorc -only- procing it with lightning stave light and heavies, and mage fury.

Liquid flood too, but lol. Stam Sorc? Everything. Their wrecking blow, light and heavy no matter the weap flavor, their ultimates, their dawnbreakers, every weap ult next patch, their own hurricane with an enormous radius, their very farts. Everything. Because "physical damage" lol.

loki547 · October 2016

This is not a nerf sorc thread. This is a balance one aspect of one skill that is currently overpowered.

Sypher · October 2016

PrinceFabious wrote: »

I play with Fasalas and I have a 99%(Kodi irs the 1, Rip) win rate againts other stam sorcs. They have simple but overlooked counters.

The counter IS Fasalas. At least it is the best one to negate the Stam builds major mending (stamplar/Stam dk) or to negate the Stam sorcs crit surge + other heals.

Dueling tournaments always ban it but to be honest if you are going to ban fasalas one of the few counters to the heavy/heal meta then why not ban the countless other things involved with tanking/healing.

Asgari · October 2016

Its always obvious when a class gets overbuffed in either stam or mag when so many shift too it. Stam Sorc is pretty much top PvE DPS and for sure top PvP DPS.

Publius_Scipio · October 2016

This is all true. By design the NB class was the choice for those that wanted mobility. But in my opinion stam sorc is the king of mobility now. Sure with veldreth etc stam NB can work, but why choose stam NB at all (especially PvE) when you can just be a stam sorc and do so much more and be more effective in more scenarios?

This is a why give a f[snip] about stam NB post.

loki547 · October 2016

Sypher wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

I play with Fasalas and I have a 99%(Kodi irs the 1, Rip) win rate againts other stam sorcs. They have simple but overlooked counters.

The counter IS Fasalas. At least it is the best one to negate the Stam builds major mending (stamplar/Stam dk) or to negate the Stam sorcs crit surge + other heals.

Dueling tournaments always ban it but to be honest if you are going to ban fasalas one of the few counters to the heavy/heal meta then why not ban the countless other things involved with tanking/healing.

I'm not just talking about duels. If Hurricane damage made stam sorcs only powerful in duels that's be one thing, but it makes stam sorcs king in PvE, open world PvP (again because of implosion, crit surge heals, etc), AND dueling. For me that's a balance issue.

BFT88 · October 2016

nerf magicka dk's

Rohamad_Ali · October 2016

Stamsorcs mess up my hair .

BRogueNZ · October 2016

Cathexis wrote: »

loki547 wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Stamsorc doesn't have Major Mending or a purge.

Heavy Armor, Efficient Purge, Vitality Pots

So pigeon holed into an armor spec, adding another skill to bars we already dont have enough slots for, and insanely expensive pots that are difficult to farm for?

You may as well just reroll a templar is really what you are trying to say with that reply.

um.. don't seem many stam sorcs complaing man, i do see them bursting stuff down faster than people can react in anyway

HoloYoitsu · October 2016

Cathexis wrote: »

There was a magic centered class?? Its funny I didnt realize magicka was the only thing you could use on a sorc, or that that was the only way anyone wants to play them.

Hm, that's funny, I mean it's not like the character creation screen says something about Sorcerers using magic or anything...

Cathexis wrote: »

In fact, its interesting that when we got a buff, there was a massive surge in stam sorcs even though they are hardly over the top OP.

I dunno man...

Essiaga · October 2016

IMO the issue isn't with Hurricaine and/or surge, it's with non-class stam heals and defenses.

Templar, the healing class, has no really healing in class for stam builds since it all scales off magicka/spell damage. sSorc is more templar then the sTemplar is. Sure you can use Rune or ritual, but they're stationary and provide MUCH less then Hurricaine w/Surge.

So throw in vigor, rally, shuffle, heavy armor, defensive stance, etc and some in-class healing and you've got a tough as hell stam build to kill. One that can get tougher the more enemies he has to fight. That's what the templar used to be. Sun Shield, Jab and lots of people take damage. Blinding flashes and lost of people do less damage. Used to be DK as well. The stand your ground classes.

This is the issue with all stam builds. They're hard to kill if the played well, and with damage options magicka build can't have because ZOS made the mSorc the way they did.

Magicka doesn't have these kinda options. All the above mentioned you have up while doing damage for more then 6 seconds, they don't stop working because someone beat through them, and only 1 is tied to equiping specific armor/weapon or any sacrifice at all. If mag go vamp and mist, we elect to stop fighting ... All things must be done prior to Misting, and then you suffer FG and fire. Does anyone use Dawnbreaker?

Resto staff must be equipped to use any of it's skills. Harness is pretty much the closet thing we got to vigor, shuffle, etc.

DW ads spell power, but gives mag builds no options. S&S offers defenses, but again all skills cost stamina, which with out soft caps magicka builds simply don't have enough off.

I do believe activation Hurricane should remove the player from stealth for the duration. It's a stand and fight skill, that's entirely to mobile.

Essiaga · October 2016

Essiaga wrote: »

IMO the issue isn't with Hurricaine and/or surge, it's with non-class stam heals and defenses.

Templar, the healing class, has no really healing in class for stam builds since it all scales off magicka/spell damage. sSorc is more templar then the sTemplar is. Sure you can use Rune or ritual, but they're stationary and provide MUCH less then Hurricaine w/Surge.

So throw in vigor, rally, shuffle, heavy armor, defensive stance, etc and some in-class healing and you've got a tough as hell stam build to kill. One that can get tougher the more enemies he has to fight. That's what the templar used to be. Sun Shield, Jab and lots of people take damage. Blinding flashes and lost of people do less damage. Used to be DK as well. The stand your ground classes.

This is the issue with all stam builds. They're hard to kill if the played well, and with damage options magicka build can't have because ZOS made the mSorc the way they did.

Magicka doesn't have these kinda options. All the above mentioned you have up while doing damage for more then 6 seconds, they don't stop working because someone beat through them, and only 1 is tied to equiping specific armor/weapon or any sacrifice at all. If mag go vamp and mist, we elect to stop fighting ... All things must be done prior to Misting, and then you suffer FG and fire. Does anyone use Dawnbreaker?

Resto staff must be equipped to use any of it's skills. Harness is pretty much the closet thing we got to vigor, shuffle, etc.

DW ads spell power, but gives mag builds no options. S&S offers defenses, but again all skills cost stamina, which with out soft caps magicka builds simply don't have enough off.

I do believe activation Hurricane should remove the player from stealth for the duration. It's a stand and fight skill, that's entirely to mobile.

similarly Stam DK is pretty powerful since the have reflect, and a bunch of other magicka based survival, CCs,, and passives that allow them to be pretty tough ... Plus vigor, rally, shuffle ...

Same for NB. Cloak, Mass Hys ... nice magicka dumps that help with survival, but also with killing. Stamina is freedom. Magicka is class bound, with options to sacrifice.

Osteos · October 2016

Lord_Hev wrote: »

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Cathexis wrote: »

I love how a random low proc % has people wetting their pants meanwhile there are power healing templars with double the hp who can reflect back thousands of damage and hey thats AOK.

You know what everybody tells me when I try to call out imbalance on these forums? L2P. Maybe that advice should start applying to other people when they fight stam sorcs just like everybody else.

It's a low %proc that double-dips into -everything- a stam sorc does damage wise. Vs. A Magic sorc -only- procing it with lightning stave light and heavies, and mage fury.

Liquid flood too, but lol. Stam Sorc? Everything. Their wrecking blow, light and heavy no matter the weap flavor, their ultimates, their dawnbreakers, every weap ult next patch, their own hurricane with an enormous radius, their very farts. Everything. Because "physical damage" lol.

This is the main issue and needs to be looked at.

PainfulFAFA · October 2016

Only took 3 years for nerf stam sorcs threads to appear

Ankael07 · October 2016

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Only took 3 years for nerf stam sorcs threads to appear

It took pretty much 3 years for people to acknowledge stam sorcs in the first place. Oh and ask for nerfs as usual.

OtarTheMad · October 2016

Just stop asking for nerfs, seriously. I am so tired of players asking for nerfs when they know ZOS has no idea how to slightly nerf something. They'll destroy stam sorcs if they nerf them just like they did magDK and cloak. No thanks.

Why not just get this over with and name the game Giant Hugs Online where everyone wins and wins hugs. (Sorry for the super saltiness)

Lord_Hev · October 2016

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Just stop asking for nerfs, seriously. I am so tired of players asking for nerfs when they know ZOS has no idea how to slightly nerf something. They'll destroy stam sorcs if they nerf them just like they did magDK and cloak. No thanks.

Why not just get this over with and name the game Giant Hugs Online where everyone wins and wins hugs. (Sorry for the super saltiness)

Because if we buff everything, the game will become absolutely comical. There are serious aspects -mainly stamina- that need to be toned down.

For example: Heavy armor. Offers advantages and disadvantages for magic builds. Offers way too much for stamina builds in exchange for very minor sacrifice.

OtarTheMad · October 2016

Lord_Hev wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Just stop asking for nerfs, seriously. I am so tired of players asking for nerfs when they know ZOS has no idea how to slightly nerf something. They'll destroy stam sorcs if they nerf them just like they did magDK and cloak. No thanks.

Why not just get this over with and name the game Giant Hugs Online where everyone wins and wins hugs. (Sorry for the super saltiness)

Because if we buff everything, the game will become absolutely comical. There are serious aspects -mainly stamina- that need to be toned down.

For example: Heavy armor. Offers advantages and disadvantages for magic builds. Offers way too much for stamina builds in exchange for very minor sacrifice.

I do get it, I just don't think they will nerf it right. I am just kind of salty on a personal level so it came out bad.

Drummerx04 · October 2016

Lord_Hev wrote: »

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Cathexis wrote: »

I love how a random low proc % has people wetting their pants meanwhile there are power healing templars with double the hp who can reflect back thousands of damage and hey thats AOK.

You know what everybody tells me when I try to call out imbalance on these forums? L2P. Maybe that advice should start applying to other people when they fight stam sorcs just like everybody else.

It's a low %proc that double-dips into -everything- a stam sorc does damage wise. Vs. A Magic sorc -only- procing it with lightning stave light and heavies, and mage fury.

Liquid flood too, but lol. Stam Sorc? Everything. Their wrecking blow, light and heavy no matter the weap flavor, their ultimates, their dawnbreakers, every weap ult next patch, their own hurricane with an enormous radius, their very farts. Everything. Because "physical damage" lol.

The problem people have with implosion is the same problem that people have with proc sets. You can get killed without the player actually delivering the killing blow intentionally.

The problem I have with stam sorcs is the unparalleled mobility. Stam gets major expedition just by dodging, and stam sorcs get minor expedition as part of their currently class defining skill... oh and they get bolt escape along with the extra sprint speed for wearing medium armor. Basically, they can outrun my horse.

I can't wait for the next patch when they will get access to cp160 Fjord's Legacy for an additional 15% movement speed. I wonder how many will use it in pvp...

Darkonflare15 · October 2016

Lord_Hev wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Just stop asking for nerfs, seriously. I am so tired of players asking for nerfs when they know ZOS has no idea how to slightly nerf something. They'll destroy stam sorcs if they nerf them just like they did magDK and cloak. No thanks.

Why not just get this over with and name the game Giant Hugs Online where everyone wins and wins hugs. (Sorry for the super saltiness)

Because if we buff everything, the game will become absolutely comical. There are serious aspects -mainly stamina- that need to be toned down.

For example: Heavy armor. Offers advantages and disadvantages for magic builds. Offers way too much for stamina builds in exchange for very minor sacrifice.

Yeah we can start nerfing everything that players keep complaing about in cycles and keep it comical. I can already see the buff to magicka builds in the future and then we will be right back to the theives guild update or Elder mages online where light armor was king. People just flocks to what is poplar not because it is effective but because players hype it to be effective. This happen with magic sorcs, this happen with dks back in the day, this is happening now with heavy armor users. The actual game balance is not the issue here. The issue is what the majority of complainers considers what the balance is. This will always be the problem. All it takes for a person to come up with a build that annoy some players and then it catches on to be good. It becomes popular and then everybody complains about it needing a nerf because they see a lot people playing it. It just a trend that rises and fall base on the negative feedback of players. All it takes is just a nerf and then players will find the next popular thing to complain about.

Draxys · October 2016

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

There was a time when FENGRUSH was the only stam sorc in existence and he was a mighty warrior carving himself a name in the annals of time. He did it all without this current bag of tricks. Now the aedra (ZOS), gently in their hands cupped the mystic sands, and with a gentle puffy cheeks blow, spread these grains of sand sending new updates into mundus. And now everyone, their grandmother, and their pet goldfish is a stam sorc. Just ask the current king of the Meta Merry-Go-Round, Dubzog (since Sribes' brutal retirement at the hands of the aedra) and his assorted group of misfit buddies.

Edit: I don't think FENGRUSH had sexual relations in Tamriel and created all these other stam sorcs.

Tbois is the OG stam sorc going back to 1.3

loki547 · October 2016

Draxys wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

There was a time when FENGRUSH was the only stam sorc in existence and he was a mighty warrior carving himself a name in the annals of time. He did it all without this current bag of tricks. Now the aedra (ZOS), gently in their hands cupped the mystic sands, and with a gentle puffy cheeks blow, spread these grains of sand sending new updates into mundus. And now everyone, their grandmother, and their pet goldfish is a stam sorc. Just ask the current king of the Meta Merry-Go-Round, Dubzog (since Sribes' brutal retirement at the hands of the aedra) and his assorted group of misfit buddies.

Edit: I don't think FENGRUSH had sexual relations in Tamriel and created all these other stam sorcs.

Tbois is the OG stam sorc going back to 1.3

Tbois has gone mag sorc tho, unlike Fengrush.

loki547 · October 2016

Fengrush has also been a Stam Sorc since the beginning of time, so before 1.3.

Mojmir · October 2016

I had a stam sorc in beta, who cares who was first,they were garbage up until recently. The class is fine,ffs leave it alone and use it as a stepping stone to balance/fix the other classes.

Wollust · October 2016

The thing with stam sorc gives me hope that they'll overbuff magicka DK at some point

Skitttles · October 2016

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

There was a time when FENGRUSH was the only stam sorc in existence and he was a mighty warrior carving himself a name in the annals of time. He did it all without this current bag of tricks. Now the aedra (ZOS), gently in their hands cupped the mystic sands, and with a gentle puffy cheeks blow, spread these grains of sand sending new updates into mundus. And now everyone, their grandmother, and their pet goldfish is a stam sorc. Just ask the current king of the Meta Merry-Go-Round, Dubzog (since Sribes' brutal retirement at the hands of the aedra) and his assorted group of misfit buddies.

Edit: I don't think FENGRUSH had sexual relations in Tamriel and created all these other stam sorcs.

There were a few us hiding in the shadows.

KisoValley · October 2016

Can't even say Decent. on this thread lol

Alucardo · October 2016

KisoValley wrote: »

Can't even say Decent. on this thread lol

It seems you've met your match