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Dungon when you are lvl 20 to 50

Mefromnorway
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many times today i try que for Activity finder, im lvl 32, i try lvl up do some dungons, but when i join a Group they kick me and i cant que again in 15 min why u make it like this. And People cp 350 to 531 que for normal dungon and kick People lvl up are u so nooooooob then u cant do a dungon in normal u need 4 521 omg People are noob, i have 4 toons cp 447 but i find it fun lvl up more different Power and race, i normal help People when they need do dungon or a quest, but when it is like this why eso make us wait 15 min for we try do a dungon, ??? and we only be kicked for some noob at 531 try do a normal dungon and neew 4 toons 531 for complet it as normal
Have fun and dont be rude. Im Norwegian so im sorry for my spelling, but hope u understand.

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3 chars Flawless
2 chars Stormproof.

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  • wayfarerx
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    Because a lot of those "elite" 531 cp folks actually need a full team of other 531s to carry them through normal dungeons. It's sad, I know.

    Keep at it though there are plenty of actually decent players out there that love running with lowbies!
    @wayfarerx - PC / North America / Aldmeri Dominion
  • Nestor
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    Most people do Dungeons these days at CP160 or better for the loot drops. Even though you are battle leveled in the Group Finder, they can assume, incorrectly, that you are not able to do the content based on your character level.

    However, you kind of want to do them while leveling so you can learn them. I would recommend joining a guild as Pugs tend to want to get through the dungeons as quickly as possible and not teach a new person the ropes. There are even guilds that specialize in dungeons, but any good social guild can help you find people to take you through a couple of dungeons.
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  • Mefromnorway
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    im cp 447 in 4 other toon then i do veteran i dont need 4 toon 531 for do a normal dungon. but i think eso need change this rule u be"" banned"" in 15 min from do dungon for u try lvl up a toon and some 531 noob kick u, this is so stupid.
    Have fun and dont be rude. Im Norwegian so im sorry for my spelling, but hope u understand.

    Grand Master Crafter.
    5 chars full 9 traiter.
    3 chars Flawless
    2 chars Stormproof.

    Total 13 chars, evryone got full gold armor both roles.

    PS5 Europe.
  • wayfarerx
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    im cp 447 in 4 other toon then i do veteran i dont need 4 toon 531 for do a normal dungon.
    You might be fine, but there are some really insecure people out there who shudder at the thought that a lowbie might give them cooties. They are usually unaware that someone under 50 can still have a ton of CP and vast experience with the game. You might want to be angry with these people, but they actually deserve your pity.
    but i think eso need change this rule u be"" banned"" in 15 min from do dungon for u try lvl up a toon and some 531 noob kick u, this is so stupid.
    I'm in agreement here, I think that the 15 minute penalty should only apply to people who abandon the group. I think ZOS has said they are looking into this.
    @wayfarerx - PC / North America / Aldmeri Dominion
  • Danksta
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    Yep, pretty stupid that you have to wait 15 minutes to queue in group finder again. Especially when it's because the group finder grouped you with a bunch of scrubs. There's no reason to kick any player from a normal dungeon without seeing what he/she has, as far as skill. I pulled 3 players through Banished Cells all level 15 and under, and I don't think 2 of them even had Ultimates unlocked. It was actually one of the most rewarding dungeon runs I'd done since they were no doubt trying to complete their first Undaunted quest.
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  • bebynnag
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    wayfarerx wrote: »
    Because a lot of those "elite" 531 cp folks actually need a full team of other 531s to carry them through normal dungeons. It's sad, I know.

    Keep at it though there are plenty of actually decent players out there that love running with lowbies!

    yeah basically ^^this^^

    also the fact that they never join group chat/turn on text chat, so there is no communication, because clearly if they had bothered to speak to OP they would of learned he/she/ has CP couple that with battle leveling and the OP would of been so OP that they would of been dragging the 531's through the dungeon!
    Edited by bebynnag on September 27, 2016 9:30PM
  • Mefromnorway
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    i played eso since day 1 in ps4 all my toons are master in all type of crafting, ans i see myself as a normal good player, i Craft armor for toons i lvl up also do that for New People need armor, but reason i Write this is when a New player try serious lvl up and u meet noob at 531 kick, i will eso serious look into this rule,its so stupid u be banned 15 min from do dungons, when some noob at 531 kick you. u try travel to Group and so it say u cant travel for u been kicked, this doi me so mad today i tryed do this 10 times today and always been kicked so i loose fun of play this game now lol . om.g im only so mad for i wanna sendt People kick a mail but not possible for i dont see who was in Group when u been kiked :neutral:
    Have fun and dont be rude. Im Norwegian so im sorry for my spelling, but hope u understand.

    Grand Master Crafter.
    5 chars full 9 traiter.
    3 chars Flawless
    2 chars Stormproof.

    Total 13 chars, evryone got full gold armor both roles.

    PS5 Europe.
  • Ayantir
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    Don't do dungeons before level 45, you'll have to farm them for undaunted which dailies are unlocked at this level.

    Plus you'll have almost all your skills unlocked. Before you're lacking of too many interesting skills..
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  • Danksta
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    wayfarerx wrote: »
    Because a lot of those "elite" 531 cp folks actually need a full team of other 531s to carry them through normal dungeons. It's sad, I know.

    Keep at it though there are plenty of actually decent players out there that love running with lowbies!

    yeah basically ^^this^^

    also the fact that they never join group chat/turn on text chat, so there is no communication, because clearly if they had bothered to speak to OP they would of learned he/she/ has CP couple that with battle leveling and the OP would of been so OP that they would of been dragging the 531's through the dungeon!

    That's true, a battle-leveled level 40 something with max CP is OP. I took my level 30ish stamplar to Wrothgar the other day and he had 45k stamina with level 16 gear on.

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  • Lightninvash
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    they made that rule due to people dropping from groups too much in the past. I believe they should make it to where your timer is reset if you are kicked from the group.
  • AntMan100673
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    Someone could get kicked for a perfectly legitimate reason and deserve the 15 minute timer however it's probably far more common that someone gets kicked for no good reason (low level) or you get the group disbanded message.

    If you leave the group I think you should still get the timer however if you're kicked within the first 1-2 minutes you shouldn't get the timer.
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  • ElliottXO
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    Ayantir wrote: »
    Don't do dungeons before level 45, you'll have to farm them for undaunted which dailies are unlocked at this level.

    Plus you'll have almost all your skills unlocked. Before you're lacking of too many interesting skills..

    I have done the dungeons in all different constellations. There is no reason not to do them when you first reach them. People want to play along the storyline doing their first character.
  • WalksonGraves
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    Lowbies like to get stuck in high end regular dungeons they have no chance of completing and wasting people's time with the stupid cool down to rejoin. It's aggravating, I've quit so many times because you spend so much time waiting you no longer want to play. Nothing like a lvl 20 sitting in white gold all day ruining countless other people's que hoping someone will beat it despite them.

    You can't do any dlc dungeons with non cp players.
    Edited by WalksonGraves on September 27, 2016 9:43PM
  • disintegr8
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    I would take any level 32 through any normal dungeon (I am at CP cap). The only time I really have an issue is if the other two were at or below that level on a harder non vet dungeon like Blackheart Haven or Mazatun for example. In which case I would leave the group and serve my own penalty. I have taken 2 and 3 sub lvl 20 players through dungeons like Spindleglutch and Fungal Grotto and it can be a lot of fun.

    There have been loads of times where I have been in groups of 4 level 50 + players and not completed some of these, so I often choose not to risk spending an hour or two only to fail. I will frequently run through to the first or second boss and that can give me a good idea of the groups ability - after all it is the ability of the group that is important, not just one or two people.

    One benefit of group finder is that the penalty starts counting as son as you are in a group, so if you quit or are kicked part way through, your penalty can be over, or nearly over. As you would know, not everyone in this world is nice and we have no control over who plays this game or who uses group finder. It is what it is and if it doesn't work for you, just stop using it and find some friends or join a guild.
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  • JKith
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    I never kick if someone is below lvl50 on a normal dungeon... that's where they are supposed to be... I just carry them through it as best I can.

    People are just impatient or limited on time and don't want to spend more than 10min finishing the dungeon. Lots are there just to get the daily 100k XP anyway.
  • bebynnag
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    Danksta wrote: »
    wayfarerx wrote: »
    Because a lot of those "elite" 531 cp folks actually need a full team of other 531s to carry them through normal dungeons. It's sad, I know.

    Keep at it though there are plenty of actually decent players out there that love running with lowbies!

    yeah basically ^^this^^

    also the fact that they never join group chat/turn on text chat, so there is no communication, because clearly if they had bothered to speak to OP they would of learned he/she/ has CP couple that with battle leveling and the OP would of been so OP that they would of been dragging the 531's through the dungeon!

    That's true, a battle-leveled level 40 something with max CP is OP. I took my level 30ish stamplar to Wrothgar the other day and he had 45k stamina with level 16 gear on.

    my level 40 woodelf was had just under 50k stam in a level 1 set of nights silence when she did a heist the other day! LOL the regen was about 3k too!
    Edited by bebynnag on September 27, 2016 9:43PM
  • wayfarerx
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    You can't do any dlc dungeons with non cp players.

    This is patently false, I did nCoS with 3 level 20-30 players LAST WEEK.
    Edited by wayfarerx on September 27, 2016 9:46PM
    @wayfarerx - PC / North America / Aldmeri Dominion
  • Mefromnorway
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    People kik u before u get chanche to travel, they look in Group and see lvl 32 and kik. lol when u lcl 20 to 50 i think it ment u can do dungon at nor.mal. i have crafter armor to this toon is dark elf templar, max Magic is 36090. Magic recovery is 2190. spell damage is 1208 i only hope eso do changes so u not be banned in 15 min from dungons for u only try to play this game as u suppose to do and some 531 noob kik u for they cant do a normal dungon as 531. NeXT time i will take screen shot of Group before they kik me and send mail and ask why u so noob lol
    Have fun and dont be rude. Im Norwegian so im sorry for my spelling, but hope u understand.

    Grand Master Crafter.
    5 chars full 9 traiter.
    3 chars Flawless
    2 chars Stormproof.

    Total 13 chars, evryone got full gold armor both roles.

    PS5 Europe.
  • Danksta
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    Lowbies like to get stuck in high end regular dungeons they have no chance of completing and wasting people's time with the stupid cool down to rejoin. It's aggravating, I've quit so many times because you spend so much time waiting you no longer want to play. Nothing like a lvl 20 sitting in white gold all day ruining countless other people's que hoping someone will beat it despite them.

    You can't do any dlc dungeons with non cp players.

    Are you sure? Because I've seen a video of 2 guys beating vICP. I'm pretty sure they could drag 2 more players through a normal version. Hell, I'm not even very good and I beat normal dungeons on my own quite often.
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  • disintegr8
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    JKith wrote: »
    I never kick if someone is below lvl50 on a normal dungeon... that's where they are supposed to be... I just carry them through it as best I can.

    People are just impatient or limited on time and don't want to spend more than 10min finishing the dungeon. Lots are there just to get the daily 100k XP anyway.
    I think this is probably phrased incorrectly, rather than meaning that the poster carries lower level players through dungeons, I think he/she means helps through dungeons.

    Most of us with experience who will run with lower level players are happy to teach them the mechanics and offer advice if it is needed. I tend to let them run their own way unless what they do is making it harder for anyone else - like DPS standing in red, healers not healing or tanks not taunting.

    I will admit that I am one of those that runs non vet dungeons basically for the daily bonus.... and because they can be fun!!! If I want an undaunted chest key I will run the daily vet for a gold key, but I have more monster shoulders than I need and monster helms only drop from vet dungeons, so random daily is for fun and XP.

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  • radiostar
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    Players need more choices when they choose to use the group finder. They should be able to choose preferred levels to group with including CP, as well as whether doing a pledge vs just running a dungeon for xp. They should be able to choose a quick run (no death) vs a quest run, as well as TS/some type of voice chat required or not. And the group finder should pick players to match up from a player level bracket (like 1-50/no CP vs 1-50/some CP) and CP bracket, as well as roles regardless of the scaling.

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  • wayfarerx
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    radiostar wrote: »
    Players need more choices when they choose to use the group finder. They should be able to choose preferred levels to group with including CP, as well as whether doing a pledge vs just running a dungeon for xp. They should be able to choose a quick run (no death) vs a quest run, as well as TS/some type of voice chat required or not. And the group finder should pick players to match up from a player level bracket (like 1-50/no CP vs 1-50/some CP) and CP bracket, as well as roles regardless of the scaling.

    All this would do is fracture the already small community of people that use the group finder. If you want special conditions on who you group with or how you run the dungeon then join a PvE guild. The group finder is for pugging.
    @wayfarerx - PC / North America / Aldmeri Dominion
  • Rosveen
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    I PUGged random normal today with two <15 players and it went off without a hitch. I wouldn't hesitate before taking lowbies to any base game normal dungeons. DLC could be a problem, but it depends on how quickly they learn. The first time I did Mazzatun and Cradle, we went in blind and had problems in a group of four cp300+ players, but we figured it out and quickly became much more efficient. High CP are not substitute for good teamwork. I'd rather go with a <50 who is attentive and knows their role than with someone who grinded 500 CP in Rkindaleft.
  • radiostar
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    If the player group is so small it can't support choices in the finder, Z needs to build their player base.

    otoh, out of 7 mil players it can't handle the truth? maybe Z could publish the hard data on that.
    Edited by radiostar on September 27, 2016 10:34PM
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  • Epona222
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    People may be worried that they will not be able to communicate properly with you in a dungeon due to your over-reliance on "txt-spk". ;)
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  • Rosveen
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    radiostar wrote: »
    If the player group is so small it can't support choices in the finder, Z needs to build their player base.

    otoh, out of 7 mil players it can't handle the truth? maybe Z could publish the hard data on that.
    ESO doesn't have 7 mln active players, it's the number of created accounts.
  • radiostar
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    LOL, exactly.
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  • Mefromnorway
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    radiostar wrote: »
    If the player group is so small it can't support choices in the finder, Z needs to build their player base.

    otoh, out of 7 mil players it can't handle the truth? maybe Z could publish the hard data on that.

    many times u can wait 1 hour or more for do a dungon, and so u only be kiked. its not fun, its frustrating,i think normal dungon is for low lvl and veteran is for high lvl. but i see it must be many noob high lvl when they kik People in normal for they need be full cp 531, when u q in Activity finder u should not be kiked before u have entered dungon. evryone should have chanhe to prove how great u are :)
    Have fun and dont be rude. Im Norwegian so im sorry for my spelling, but hope u understand.

    Grand Master Crafter.
    5 chars full 9 traiter.
    3 chars Flawless
    2 chars Stormproof.

    Total 13 chars, evryone got full gold armor both roles.

    PS5 Europe.
  • bebynnag
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    can i just remind people that a level 15 is not necessarily a level 15 - as in just bought the game. most of the time they are experienced players leveling an alt they have full crafted sets & a truck load of CP.

    not to say that a group with max CP should kick a level 15 if they are brand new to the game, in fact the 3 max levels should in that instance be as welcoming as possible & help the new player, even if it does mean taking 5 minuits extra to explain a few of the mechanics, or holding back a bit to make sure they get a hit in on the boss so they get their xp... is anyones time really that precious that they cant help a fellow gamer?
  • radiostar
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    As long as Z gives players as much choice as possible when using their group finder, no problem with them playing Game Nanny. Otherwise, it's Crown's prerogative.
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