ATTENTION GAME DEVS (please adjust all of these issues)

- Everything.

More seriously though, I do understand what you're saying but I disagree and wonder if you've really thought this through. It seems as though you have a set idea of what the game's market should be, without realising this is the way things often work out in real life and with the homogenisation of many prices in game, it often becomes fairer in some regard (example: things in higher demand are often more expensive and the lower demand items are often cheaper). If you don't think the prices are matching your effort to get the item, you are trying to farm or collect the wrong items to sell. Having a representation of how the economy is working by using the addons and guild merchants is actually really beneficial for some players to stop them from being gouged by others.

This game revolves around the guilds, that's the way it has been designed. The guilds are a huge part of the community and one way you can influence this is to either make one of your own and set your prices or join a large one (I'd recommend Warmart Blade'n'Trade if you're on NA PC) which has in guild chat auctions regularly to sell things.

THey are not showing you a guild price they are showing you a market wide average based on guild sales. Simple as that. When you actually use MM it shows you the highs the lows and all in between and tells you the average price things sell at. That price can vary by a great deal.
Not using an add on isn't going to magically make things cheaper. It will just mean people can take advantage of others that may not know when something is rare.

You act as if just because you want to pay 100 gold for something that usually sells for 2000 gold there should be somebody in zone willing to sell to you at that price. Doesn't work that way and I think it is great that people step in and let others know when they are about to sell something to cheap or buy something way over priced.

TL_Gamer wrote: »

It's gotten to the point where I'm going to take a video of what happens in the game and post it to just to show people that everything I explained in this topic does in fact happen whether the people replying see it or not.


The bottom line here is that these types of prices are absolutely inexcusable in guilds and it's inexcusable for guilds to be saying thing such as that's the going rate. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever that a motif is being sold for around this much.



I will make a video of me asking to buy this exact motif in chat for about 1500 gold, and watch what happens.

Lol, Is 7,500 gold too much for you? Some pages go for 20k, and some for even more. It is a 'going' rate and merchant add-ons track EXACTLY how much the "going" rate is. Because people have bought it. I, honestly, feel like you're just whining in this entire post and none of these are real issues. Nothing about lag, or PVP imbalance, or another forum about vMA.

This thread is literally pointless. Written by someone who understand so little about the game, they may as well still be on the starting area.

1ST: NO
2ND:NO
3RD:NO
VIDEO:NO
TLDR? Op you don't understand how the game market or the addons work.

/CLOSETHREAD

Lol, guilds dont set prices, at least none I'm with or have been with. I have ALWAYS sold my stuff for whatever I feel like charging for it, I'll check market value, (because I'm not an idiot), but have never been told what to charge by a guild in any fashion ever.

milkbox wrote: »

Friends don't let friends buy motifs.

Make friends > profit!!

Ask me how I know this to be true

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

Elephant42 wrote: »

milkbox wrote: »

Friends don't let friends buy motifs.

Make friends > profit!!

Ask me how I know this to be true

How do you know this to be true mate?

I was given a full Xivkin motif book by a friend (among many other motifs I have been given by many friends). I'll leave it as a class exercise to work out who the "Xivkin" friend was

Oh and BTW mate, I'm pretty sure that you were the donor of at least one of my motifs

Wow, I'm speechless. Stay away from our economy.

Still insisting that the guild set prices? This is not how it works let me see if I can make it simple for you.

I have an item lets say it is a ring. The ring is mine not the guilds they have no idea I have it. No one has set any sort of pricing structure. No one is telling me I must sell, no one is telling me I should sell or at what price the item should be sold at. The guild honestly can dictate very little to a player and if they dictate things you disagree with you can always leave the guild.

Now I take this ring and go to set it in a guild store. I can look in the guild store and see what others rings of the type sell for. I can use master merchant if I have it and check to see what the average price range for the ring might be. If using mm it is using data on items sold by the vendors I have access to not the whole games vendors just to the guild stores of guilds I am in. I can only ever be in five guilds at one time so I would only have personal access to five guild vendors info. Then regardless of how I got that information on pricing or I decide because there is no price currently available to guess what it might be worth set my price and hope it sells.

See simple no boogie man standing back there demanding anything.

I try to set my prices when I sell things based on time and effort to gain said item. For example if I have to raid/trial to get an item it is likely to cost more takes time and effort and a group of 12 people to have a chance to get items from said place especially if said items had any rng involved. No guarantee well that means more time. If I have to go pvp to get an item have to take into account the fact I may have to get killed multiple times. To dungeons means probably a 4 man deal with lots of rng so time. If selling resources it is all about my time and your convenience. You pay me to do the work you could do see? I set what I feel is fair. MM is just a guide. I want to sell my items...but I want to be compensated. If the mm price seems to high or things are not selling I go lower then mm price. Things flying out of there at the prices I set I am happy.

Let me put it to you another way the moment a guild started setting prices for my items is the moment they lose a guild mate. MM is not the devil. It is just a tool and even without the tool there are ways to check and see what others might be selling an item for. It would solve nothing to get rid of the addon.

If you were honestly trying to buy that motif you would almost certainly have to pay more then you were offering regardless of whether there were merchant addons or not.

Solariken wrote: »

I think the OP raises a good argument regarding merchant add-ons. There is a fine line between convenience and obstruction and these add-ons definitely have a negative impact on markets and player interaction.

This is just plain wrong. I refer to my first comment. It does not have a negative impact on the markets.

Because after a week you really know the ins and outs of the game

*Goes to the store to buy more popcorn*

Grabmoore wrote: »

Your argument is invalid. Do you even realize that prices would be much higher without merchant addons?

You are full of personal opinions and yet you tell us not to?

Guilds don't fix prices, supply and demand are always the deciding factor.

All you say is you want it all for yourself, cheaper and faster. Patience young boy, patience!

There is not point in arguing with him... and you are right.. on the Xbox.. many and I mean many motifs are in the 50 to 100k range.. and its much harder to stop a few from price fixing.. as the main trade hubs are controlled by just a few guilds.

The annoying amount of time it takes to go to out of the way trade locations to see what they have as well the inability to search for items meaning you have to wade through page after page of items you have no interest is a massive waste of time...

That means just for convince those same trade locations are the main place everyone goes.... I would love a add on to track global sell costs of items.. at least that was there is some way to put pressure on price gouging on the more popular trade spots...

I don't know how many items I paid for a item then happened by a out of the way trader with the same item for half the cost.. how much money I could of saved if I had known.

but the ops to dense to understand that...